This type of thing really boils my wee
Seems pretty unsubstantiated to me. Yes, it could have been an illegal trap. Which may or may not have been set by a gamekeeper. It might have been set by a farmer with no intent of catching the eagle. Equally, it could have been a vehicle or a million and one other things.Posted 5 years ago
I have met some good game keepers and also met some who were utter twunts, what possible motive is there for doing this?Posted 5 years ago
And this would be justification?
No. A motive isn’t always justified.
Lets be somewhat realistic. Eagles are hardly going to decimate the population of lambs,game birds or small children.
The figures will vary depending on who you listen to of course, and then vary further depending on type of raptor, type of prey and location. A study by Stirling University estimated that the % loss from raptor predation for various combinations of predator/prey varied between 5 and 24%, so in some cases significantly worse than decimation.Posted 5 years agoanagallis_arvensisMember
The figures will vary depending on who you listen to of course, and then vary further depending on type of raptor, type of prey and location. A study by Stirling University estimated that the % loss from raptor predation for various combinations of predator/prey varied between 5 and 24%, so in some cases significantly worse than decimation.
what in the name of all thats holy are you talking about? Do you understand how % works?Posted 5 years ago
The proportion of the population of different species of game bird estimated to be lost to predation by different raptors varies between 5 and 24%, depending on what game bird, what raptor and what location, according to a study by Stirling University.
Eg. 5% of the population of game bird A are taken by raptor X in area 1.
Or 24% of game bird B are taken by raptor Y in area 2.
What does that mean?
That the losses, in some cases, are significantly worse than 10%. (Depends how you interpret decimation 😉 ).Posted 5 years agodeadlydarcyMember
Let’s just remind ourselves that while “decimate” once meant to kill every tenth person or something along those lines, it is now taken to mean to destroy a large proportion of something. Y’know, in case anyone fancies themselves as a bit of a smartarse.
EDIT: Oh, it seems somebody has been checking dictionaries and then ninja editing.Posted 5 years agodeadlydarcyMember
It’s the original definition. It’s been taken to mean “destroy a large proportion of” for a long long time. In fact, I’ve never known it to mean anything else in modern parlance; presumably to the annoyance of pedants. But generally, pedants aren’t big fans of language evolving. 🙂Posted 5 years agoIanMunroMember
So you really are saying killing Golden Eagles or any raptor is ok because they may or may not kill more than 10% of Grouse that are going to be shot for fun. You are a strange little man.
Unless I missed something, he’s never said it’s ok, he’s given reasons why people may do it. There’s a pretty obvious difference.Posted 5 years ago
You owe him an apology there really.
thegreatape have you got a link for this paper you’re quoting?
This lady http://www.sbes.stir.ac.uk/people/park/ and scroll to the bottom, it’s about half way down her list of publications, a 2008 one.
So you really are saying killing Golden Eagles or any raptor is ok because they may or may not kill more than 10% of Grouse that are going to be shot for fun.
No. Nowhere have a said it’s ok. Since (a small) part of my job has involved prosecuting people who do it I think it’s fair to say I’m against it.
You, in your opening post, wondered what motives people have for killing raptors. I told you what one of the motives is. It you have made the leap from me knowing why people do it to me condoning it, then that’s a reflection on your ability to think.
You are a strange little man.
And you are what’s known, up here, as a ‘star’.Posted 5 years agoIanMunroMember
Sorry, I genuinely don’t know what you mean pigface.
3rd post: At this time of year??????
I’m guessing that you disagree with the motivations he’s suggested. Why does this make him “a strange little man.”
People on the whole don’t kill things without motives. Whether the motives are reasonable or correct are a different matter entirely, but it might be more productive not to jump down the throats of people offering some of the possible motivations.Posted 5 years agoeruptronMember
He may just be playing devils advocate which is fine there are two sides to any argument. This is purely the destruction of a creature in a horrible way and why to protect a business. What effect do these introduce species have on native insects and fauna when these birds are released on mass. It’s a poor game keeper who doesn’t embrace his environment because lets face it if they are in business does it not make sense to encourage people to come and see these beautiful birds bringing more money in the off shooting season. There are plenty of people out there who’d pay good money to see them!Posted 5 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
anagallis_arvensis – Member
How big are the respective populations of predators and prey and how big is the golden eagle population in Scotland?
Population of game birds- tons (red grouse population alone estimated at about 900,000). Population of sheep- bazillions (about 6.75 million in 2010). Population of golden eagles- estimated at 431 breeding pairs in 2010 (and slightly declining)Posted 5 years agoesselgruntfuttockMember
Similar thing here…
Hope the twunt pays up all 17K.Posted 5 years ago
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