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  • Premier Icon binners
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    David Cameron has conceded that there was insufficient social mobility in British society and said it was the job of the government to raise the aspirations of people from poor backgrounds to get top jobs in public life.

    Speaking days after Sir John Major criticised the “truly shocking” dominance of the affluent and privately educated in public life, the Eton- and Oxford-educated prime minister accepted that the coalition must “do far more” to increase diversity in the national elite.

    So punishing the poor for being poor, rewarding the rich for being rich, surrounding yourself with your old millionaire Eton school chums in every single position of power and influence, and just generally turbo-charging the inequality in society, is going to improve social mobility how exactly?

    I can only assume that this is some form of satirical, political performance art

    Premier Icon miketually
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    Removing EMAs, increasing tuition fees…

    p8ddy
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    Binners…

    Agree fully. Cameron is wired to the moon.

    bencooper
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    Have we done the thing about how they’re trying to erase all their old speeches and election promises from the Internet?

    shermer75
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    It is, except that rather than laughing I now feel a bit depressed

    yunki
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    Where’s Guy Fawkes when you really really need him?

    bikebouy
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    Truely depresing individual that Camaroon bloke, truely.

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    Aaaah, don’t pick on CallMeDave, you’ll make him sad.

    Have we done the thing about how they’re trying to erase all their old speeches and election promises from the Internet?

    heard something on the radio this morning, someone needs to point them to this page…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

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    Was this at the Lord Mayors Banquet where the wine bill alone is in the region of £15K each year.

    Philby
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    Perhaps they should start modernising themselves by having a Lord Mayor’s buffet in place of a banquet, and instead of the mansion house they could have it down some pub in the East End with jellied eels, pie and mash and a few sausage rolls swigged down with a couple of mugs of builder’s tea.

    Junkyard
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    indeed privately educated millionaire son of a man who made his fortune exploting tax loopholes lectures us all about helping the poor whilst slowly dry shafting them and selling off or decimating everything that helps them

    It is the death of satire

    It is amusing how they went on about open govt and honesty and integrity then removed all their own speeches – I wonder if there was anything incriminating in them?
    i find it hard to believe dave has not delivered on his pledges

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    Crikey Binners, I misread that stuff, judging by your comments I thought it read:

    David Cameron has conclused that there is sufficient social mobility in British society and said it was not the job of the government to raise the aspirations of people from poor backgrounds to get top jobs in public life.

    Speaking days after Sir John Major criticised the “truly shocking” dominance of the affluent and privately educated in public life, the Eton- and Oxford-educated prime minister rejected the idea that the coalition must “do far more” to increase diversity in the national elite.

    Now that would be worthy of comment.

    So punishing the poor for being poor, rewarding the rich for being rich, surrounding yourself with your old millionaire Eton school chums in every single position of power and influence, and just generally turbo-charging the inequality in society, is going to improve social mobility how exactly?

    Leaving aside the inconvnenient truth that negative trends in income inequality have finally been halted/reversed under, of all things a Tory led coalition (source the independent ONS), that the BoE published its most up-beat assessment of the UK economy in some while, when UN stats are likely to proove the current BoE governor wrong etc. I doubt that I need point you to look across th Channel to see one of the alternatives but today’s FT makes interesting reading.

    The more interesting question is why, when the Tory joker card (the economy) is looking increasingly like a trump card, CMD continues to be rattled by the likes of Major and why he has allowed Milliband to increasingly set the political agenda and debate. He is an odd politician at times!!!! May be THAT is satire.

    Blimey, how the hell did the Conservatives reduce income inequality?
    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_317365.pdf

    Seems to be true from the stats. Is there more to it?

    5thElefant
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    How has Cameron got anything to do with it? Labour were in power for the generation that social mobility declined. The 80s was all about the expansion of the middle classes.

    Not that anyone can do much about it, the middle-class is about to contract as their jobs are automated.

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    I know HH, CMD’s supporters must have a very different interpretation of satire when they read:

    Disposable incomes have fallen since the start of the economic downturn, with average equivalised income falling by £1,200 since 2007/08 in real terms. The fall in income has been largest for the richest fifth of households (6.8%). In contrast, after accounting for inflation and household composition, average income for the poorest fifth has grown over this period (6.9%)

    Bloody Tories 😉 (that bit IS (weak) comedy BTW!)

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    the fall is certainly welcome, seems to be largely due to VAT increases

    theres still a long way to go


    http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/infographic-income-inequality-uk

    and since 2012 and those statistics food bank use has trippled
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hungrier-than-ever-britains-use-of-food-banks-triples-8882340.html

    meanwhile child poverty has also soared
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22887005

    theres no doubt that the recent benefit reforms have played a large in this

    still for some its taxpayer funded banquets with silver spoons all the way

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    Seeing as the Tories seem to be specialising in ill-thought through policies delivering unintended consequences, I feel pretty sure any reduction in inequality was entirely unplanned

    Premier Icon teamhurtmore
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    Not really VAT, since increases in indirect taxes has a disproportionate effect on lower income households. Richer people pay more VAT in absolute but lees VAT in relative (to income) terms

    Premier Icon teamhurtmore
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    Reduced income inequaliy was an unintended consequence? If they want satire, they should get your to write CMD’s speeches Binners!!!

    (but I get what you mean!! 😉 )

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    your right THM, I was misreading this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23253092

    Is it increased tax revenues then or reduction in benefits for higher earners, or both?

    either way the cost of living squeeze is obviously felt more acutely by those with less money

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    My favourite unintended Tory consequence involves the bedroom tax sorry, Spare Room Subsidy. It perfectly illustrates their heartfelt concern for the poor, and their steadfast commitment to improving their lot…

    You really couldn’t make it up

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    The links above Kimbers. I will leave you to decide who has been squeezed hardest – that is probably a matter of interpretation. No doubt about the absolute level of suffering still being endured by many though.

    This is a slow, mild recovery – albeit happening at a slightly faster rate than people expected.

    mefty
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    still for some its taxpayer funded banquets with silver spoons all the way

    None of the Mansion House dinners are taxpayer funded, I think most are self funding and to the extent they need subsidy it will come from the Corporation of London, most of whose income comes from its own resouces. Being Lord Mayor is petty expensive as the Lord Mayor has to dip into their own pocket for quite a lot of expenses – £100 to 200K.

    Junkyard
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    Its true labour were really poor on income inequality but it would be disingenous – in fact it would be an outright lie, to claim the Tories were trying to do this juts as it would be a lie to say it had not happened- it appears THM might try to argue it from his neutral non partisan position

    Does anyone think he or any Tory [or frankkly any politician of any hue] lies awake at night worrying about income inequality and how they can redress it?

    were they to care I would have expected the higher rate of tax to have remained, a wealth tax [ lib dem choice] to have been implemented and the raising of tax thresholds to have been their plan

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    Does anyone think he or any Tory [or frankkly any politician of any hue] lies awake at night worrying about income inequality and how they can redress it?

    I doubt it, why would anyone want to be re-elected? Heaven (sorry) forbid.

    We know the story on the higher rates of tax though don’t we? No need to examine the previous government’s record there or to view the shenanigans across the channel.

    On the thresholds – good job we have a coalition then.

    samuri
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    I can only assume that this is some form of satirical, political performance art

    Probably is but being poor and educated at public school you couldn’t possibly understand it. You’ll find your spiritual needs would be better met if you read the cartoons in the Sun.

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    iirc one of the best methods of improving social mobility were selective grammar schools that offered bursaries to those from poorer backgrounds.

    iialsorc these were abolished by the socialist government of the day, many of whom had used them as springboard to go from working class backgrounds to Oxbridge.

    cybicle
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    Leaving aside the inconvnenient truth that negative trends in income inequality have finally been halted/reversed under, of all things a Tory led coalition

    This is a slow, mild recovery

    😯

    What kind of dreamland are you living in?? Have you not looked around you, at Reality?

    the independent ONS

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    5thElefant
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    Does anyone think he or any Tory [or frankkly any politician of any hue] lies awake at night worrying about income inequality and how they can redress it?

    The middle classes vote tory. Poor people vote labour.

    More people who own homes with middle-class jobs means more tory voters.

    More people on benefits mean more labour votes.

    It’s pretty obvious which party wants to push people into benefits and suppress social mobility.

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    No cybicle, I prefer to walk around with my eyes shut, ignore any economic data releases, never read a paper or listen to the radio. It’s a lovely dreamland isn’t it?

    But in my dreams yesterday I imagined hearing:

    Inflation is now as low as it has been since 2009. Jobs are being created at a rate of 60,000 per month. The economy is growing at its fastest pace in 6 years.For the first time in a long time, you don’t have to be an optimist to see the glass as half full. The recovery has finally taken hold.

    Didn’t sound like comedy at the time especially as the dream also had

    It is welcome that the economy is growing again, but a return to growth is not yet a return to normality. Nearly one million more people are out of work than in the years before the financial crisis. Many others in part time work would prefer to be working full time. Real wages are not yet increasing. And the economy remains 2.5% smaller than it was in 2008.

    I wonder if, in the real world, any politician thinks about that. Meanwhile back in dreamland……

    [the irony of grammar schools and social mobility will not have been lost of Major. Among his other notable successes (?) shame he didn’t address that as well]

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    5thelefant theres only 1 joker on this thread and thats CMD, your efforts pale in comparison to his

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    Eh? The labour party wants more people on benefits? And the present Tory party are the champions of social mobility?

    Some… erm… ‘interesting’ logic there. Reminds me a bit of similar logic displayed in finding witches….

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU[/video]

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    The middle classes vote tory. Poor people vote labour.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jun/05/why-working-class-people-vote-conservative

    although i’d replace conservative with UKIP these days…

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    Whilst I have every sympathy with those affected by the bedroom tax, which was brought in without enough thought for it’s consequences, it actually just brought those in social housing in line with the rules that claimants in private rented property have been having todeal with for over 20 years.

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    They should get rid of all those pesky workers rights and child labour laws too, bring us in line with the rules that workers Bangladesh and Ghana have been having to deal with for over 20 years.

    Junkyard
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    iirc one of the best methods of improving social mobility were selective grammar schools that offered bursaries to those from poorer backgrounds.

    MM it depends really ion how blinkere dyou wish to be as only those at grammar schools could go to uni so you could argue that they were exclusive.

    iialsorc these were abolished by the socialist government of the day, many of whom had used them as springboard to go from working class backgrounds to Oxbridge.

    I think you are making politically motivated points with only a fleeting grasp on reality

    Labour started the process in 65 but was not massively opposed nor repealed by Tories so Mleh as a general point
    FWIW I missed the socialist govt and it like me calling any right wing govt fascist in terms of accuracy
    Yes the grammar schools sole purpose was to get working class folk into oxbridge and they existed to solely promote social mobility, which they still do a sterling job at these days 😕

    The recovery has finally taken hold.

    so boom has followed bust – now that is something no one could have predicted happening then is it – looks at graphs of economies over time , stokes chin wonders what it all means

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    iirc one of the best methods of improving social mobility were selective grammar schools that offered bursaries to those from poorer backgrounds.

    Yeah it really made so much sense to lock someone’s life into a set path at 11 years of age.

    The problem is that the torie vision of social mobility is still to have an elite, that some can move into if they are really really lucky.

    The socialist (sensible) path is to provide a good life to as many people as possible. So even if you do what many consider a trivial manual job, you can still afford to live in a decent home, raise kids and enjoy life without financial fears.

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    There’s a “boom” JY? Where?

    That bit was missing in my dreams…..

    As an aside and turning tangentially to the Remembrace Sunday debate on polticising the day, interesting to hear that Hollande was actually heckled at the French service. Now if I could escape dreamland, I might just enjoy the debate between Paul Krugman, S&P and the OECD currently raging re France. I am sure it’s quite interesting especially with Krugman (apparently) getting quite agitated.

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