You just keep believing that…

I control and affect my under destiny.

is that what pants you’re going to wear tomorrow

BTW Im hoping to go to Carlton Bank and Hamsterley on Sunday, anyone fancy going? 🙂

BTW- innocents caught in that particular kettling? No, the Police told us there was a breakaway violent section that had smashed up Topshop/Regents st etc and they’d been caught/contained. So the media falsely reported that bit.

Hmm…

Bizarrely, I’m more inclined to believe the media these days. What with so many coppers giving false accounts/lying about their identities in court and that…

It’s a sad day when the police are used as a political weapon. No surprise though with the Tories really, not like it hazzunt happened before…

On the flipside- The violence towards the protesters in the Countryside Alliance March was shocking.

People peacefully disagreeing with being pushed (for no reason) being hit in the face (infront of media cameras) etc.

That was a peaceful march with a wierdly OTT Police response.

I didn’t say posh Hora, I said right wing.

Democracy is hard won and easily lost.

Allowing a minority the chance to prove their stupidity once in a while is one of the small prices we pay for the freedom we have.

Really mate, no offence, but you are a politicians dream. Life would be so much easier for the political classes, the police and the military if they could curtail the freedoms that previous generations fought and died for.

It’s everyone’s responsibility to ensure this doesn’t happen, yet you’re happy to hand your freedom back to them on a plate.

Oh dear have we reached the freedom crap again.

I didnt realise the police, the tories, the cyclists on a forum were calling for an end to the right to peaceful protest.

You may have gathered from his constant this-isn’t-good-enough-I-need-something-better upgrading that he’s an advertising mans wet dream too.

Basically he believes pretty much anything he is told or reads

if they could curtail the freedoms that previous generations fought and died for.

What? My granddad fought for the right not go get a letter in the post telling you not to break the law did he?

We all believe what we read based on our viewpoint.
Be that the Guardian the BBC, socialist worker, the Daily Mail.

The problem is that the actual events etc are skewed in favour of whatever agenda people have.

We simply have different points of view and we have to accept that and as usual the forum argument degenerates

It’s everyone’s responsibility to ensure this doesn’t happen, yet you’re happy to hand your freedom back to them on a plate.

So the answer is attack McDonalds?

Right 😐

People peacefully disagreeing with being pushed (for no reason) being hit in the face (infront of media cameras) etc.

And how is that different to what happens on the student demos etc? 😕

Hora, I’ve bin to loads loads more demos in London than you have, and seen countless incidents where police have gone way beyond ‘reasonable force’. In fact many incidents where police have in fact incited violence by suddenly attacking otherwise peaceful demonstrators. So I know the police do deliberately stir up trouble, I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

Agent provocateurs: Known fact. I’ve seen ‘demonstrators’ later laughing and joking with coppers, sat having coffees round the back of some police vayns.

Rubber bullets: I was at a demo in the 90s, CJB I think. Big one down Whitehall. I’d nipped off for a pee round some backstreet, managed to sneak through police lines. Coming back into the fray, I passed an open vayn with 3 or 4 coppers sat in it, checking over baton round guns. So rubber bullets have bin deployed in mainland Britain before, just that police jolly well have not bin open and honest about it.

As I tried to take a photo, the door of the vayn was slammed shut and other coppers ‘escorted’ me away…

I was responding Hora’s point about perfectly reasonable demonstrators having the crap kicked out of them by the police.

I’ve seen it happen on numerous demos I’ve been on
The evidence points to the fact that it happened on the CA demo as well.

Elfin is.
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Hora

So the answer is attack McDonalds?

Right

No, the answer is to protest peacefully when you disagree with the policies of the state.
Make your voice heard, add to the numbers.
Denounce violence and refuse to be an apologist for those who instigate it on either side.

Democracy, use it or lose it. 🙂

Whassamatter Hora? Any version of the ‘Truth’ other than the one you’ve chosen to swallow a bit too much for you? Too much strain for your brain?

You stay safely tucked away in front of your Telly. Don’t venture out lest the Truth be a bit much for you, eh?

How Hora sees himself:

I’m off this thread has lost the plot

Aye me too. Elfin, I’m amazed you still rabbit on after the insensitive comment you made on brants thread.

There was a plot?

Has anyone seen the plot?

Aye me too. Elfin, I’m amazed you still rabbit on after the insensitive comment you made on brants thread.

It wasn’t intended as insensitive, as you would have realised if you had the capacity to think for yourself, and I removed it as soon as I realised it might be misinterpreted (which it was, by a few thick idiots). It was ‘thinking out loud’ which was ill-judged. I admitted my mistake and made efforts to rectify the situation.

I stand by those comments, but admit I made a mistake in posting them on such a sensitive thread. You, and one or two others, chose to use it as an opportunity to attack me. I’d say that was more insensitive than my original ‘transgression’, tbh. Oh look you’re bringing it up now cos you’re backed into a corner and have no intelligent argument to make.

Carry on letting others do your thinking for you Hora. It’s probbly a lot easier for you.

TBH, I’m not completely against the letters themselves.

In a similar vein, why not send a letter to Ken Dodd before every gig reminding him to pay tax on his earnings and put it in the bank rather than stuffing it all in a suitcase in his attic?

I’m amazed you still rabbit on after the insensitive comment you made on brants thread.

WTF has that got to do with anything? I can’t see how a post on one topic can prevent someone posting on another? If thats the case Hora, maybe you should refrain from Dildo comments as made previously in this thread after your holier than thou rant elsewhere….

by a few thick idiots

You are an utter cock. You don’t even have the sensitivity to keep quiet. You actually believe you were right.

Carry on letting others do your thinking for you Hora

Do you lack introspective? I honestly can’t beleive I received a ban for joking about Somalian pirates and the amount of crap that you get away with.

holier than thou rant

There really are some idiots on the internet. Use abit of context fella. One of the above is polar-opposite to the other thread/topic. In addition, elfin seems to follow me around posting on almost every topic I do with faintly disguise diatribe. Its alittle scary but I really don’t understand why he has to comment all the time. I’ve no interest in him or his opinion.

Anyway- carry on as you are. It seems some people just can’t disengage.

You are an utter cock. You don’t even have the sensitivity to keep quiet. You actually believe you were right.

Hora, please. Resorting to abuse isn’t going to make you right.

Let’s leave it at that. I refrained from further comment on that thread cos I din’t see the point in continuing when I knew I was in the wrong.

Try to appreciate that I made a mistake yet admitted to it and attempted to make amends, instead of using this as the pathetic justification for some personal vendetta.

I’m more than happy to discuss issues in a civil manner, no problem with a bit of ‘banter’ even, but if you’re going to sink to personal abuse than I have no more time for you.

You don’t even have the sensitivity to keep quiet

It was you that brought it up. You made an accusation which I responded to. It’s a shame all you can now do is descend into abusiveness.

I’ve no interest in him or his opinion.

So why comment on it then? 😕 Why bring stuff up from the past all the time, like you have some sort of grudge against me?

It seems some people just can’t disengage.

You’re unbelievable… 😆

X

End of.

In addition, elfin seems to follow me around posting on almost every topic I do

I think you’ll find he just posts on every topic…

well as i now work at a uni Ive had the chance to see the start of the demo from here

and all i saw was a lot of students who really are pissed off at the government privatising education in this country,
they know its got nothing to do with defecit reduction and everything to do with right wing ideology and worshiping the american way of doing things

a lot of them were very angry, I wouldnt be surprised if it did kick off later and I cant say I blame them

Kimbers you work at UoL? We’ll have to meet up for a STW drinks soon.

Keep us informed on events. I may toddle down later once I’ve done me stuffs here.

My granddad fought for the right not go get a letter in the post telling you not to break the law did he?

😀 I love this suggestion that what criminals need is a letter from the police telling them not to engage in criminality ! Perhaps they should extend this strategy, since it’s such a good idea, to all known criminals ….. and watch the crime rate plummet !!

It’s pretty clear that the aim of writing letters to individuals is to intimidate otherwise law-abiding people not to attend because the police have ‘their eye on them. It’s a fairly standard sort of strategy that you would expect in a country which is a police state and which intimidates and frightens its people not to protest against the government. It has no place in the UK.

Likewise the threat of rubber bullets and the injuries associated with them – it’s a clear message to parents, if not to the young people concerned, not to attend as they might get hurt.

Of course none of this will make an iota of difference to the “rent-a-mob” who I am reliably informed by a copper on here are the only people behind any violence. A letter warning them not to misbehave will obviously have no effect on them, nor will the threat of rubber bullets – why would it ?

The sort of society in which the police threatens those who wish to protest might the sort of society which people like Z-11 want, but I certainly don’t. And it is fundamentally hostile to British values.

Now now boys

The sort of society in which the police threatens those who wish to protest might the sort of society which people like Z-11 want, but I certainly don’t. And it is fundamentally hostile to British values.

The sort of society where people feel free to commit random and extreme acts of violence and damage property without fear of punishment, due to the protection of anonymity within a crowd of peaceful protesters is the thing which is fundamentally hostile to British values Ernie!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drehc0Cwzcw[/video]

Will the police be writing letters to all the MPs reminding them not to defraud the taxpayer

How about letters to the police reminding them to stay within the law? – no kettling for example to say nothing of reminding them to keep their ID on their uniforms as they are supposed to.

check out this one z11 heres a vid of a police officer murdering an obviously dangerous protester!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ[/video]

The sort of society where people feel free to commit random and extreme acts of violence and damage property without fear of punishment, due to the protection of anonymity within a crowd of peaceful protesters is the thing which is fundamentally hostile to British values Ernie!

And it’s also a society which we don’t have, you daft fantasist 🙂

Yes I know that having posters on street corners saying “Big Brother Is Watching You” would be fine by you because only those who were up to no good would have anything to worry about, law-abiding citizens would be fine, but most normal people don’t want to live in your Orwellian world.

well i think the game is about to begin. Kettles forming, people covering their faces, a few little ‘sacrifical’ groups moving in opposite directions.

I’m quite proud of our undergraduates actually. It takes inventiveness and balls to go up against the police and government.

Rusty Spanner – Member
In a similar vein, why not send a letter to Ken Dodd before every gig reminding him to pay tax on his earnings and put it in the bank rather than stuffing it all in a suitcase in his attic?

Do you know, it’s years since I got done for speeding – probably around 28. But every time I go out on the roads, I keep coming across these “Speed Cameras operate in this area” type of signs. Why do they keep reminding me that it’s a good idea not to break the law?

Well I’m stood on Whitehall an nothing is going on

TJ will be encouraged to know we are all displaying our numerals

check out this one z11 heres a vid of a police officer murdering an obviously dangerous protester!

i) I thought that according to the Grauniad, Tomlinson wasn’t a protester, he was a sweet and innocent newspaper setter trying to make his way home 🙄

ii) Murder? Are you sure – can you support an allegation of murder? can’t see anybody’s been charged with murder 🙄

Seems you’re applying a double standard here – the sweet and innocent protesters who were arrested are innocent, and shouldn’t get letters because they’ve never been prosecuted, but the evil policeman is a murderer, even though he has not been prosecuted for that offence 😉

no kettling for example to say nothing of reminding them to keep their ID on their uniforms as they are supposed to.

Kettling is not illegal, nor is it a legal requirement to wear their ID – more double standards! You constantly complain that people are being punished for not breaking the law, but expect to be able to complain about the police doing nothing wrong.