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  • These rail strikes then…
  • Premier Icon chrismac
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    But Network Rail is a publicly listed company making over £1billion in profit. What has it got to do with DfT?

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    A representative of the rail operators is on Five Live this morning, pointing out that they haven’t asked for a relaxation of the laws about agency workers and would not want to do that even if the government did change the law.

    Ah yes, the same government who want cheap agency workers for trains but spat the dummy over similar with P&O ferries…

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    What has it got to do with DfT?

    Funding.

    Regulation.

    Ultimate guarantor of rail provision.

    Mick Lynch is awesome!

    Have to agree. He’s made it feel like the real world has found a way of penetrating the media bubble this week. I’d like to shake his hand.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    I hadn’t realised that Network Rail handed over some local lines to TfW. Making it a slightly different story over the border, as there’s no dispute for those lines (Wales still hid hard though where Network Rail still have their role).

    Premier Icon finephilly
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    All of Wales (except 3 valley lines) is also closed. It’s the lack of long-term strategy that is causing a problem.
    We need:
    A more resilient network (investment in track, electrification and signalling)
    Better capacity (ie. better arrangements for leasing rolling stock to TOCs)
    Simpler, regulated fares to promote usage

    Premier Icon rone
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    Have to agree. He’s made it feel like the real world has found a way of penetrating the media bubble this week. I’d like to shake his hand.

    Yeah he’s great with media, keeping them in check

    Premier Icon rone
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    Because the alternatives are also expensive. Going into central London by car would be horrendously expensive in terms of parking

    I’ve been doing this recently and it’s a pig dog, and stressful.

    Park at the hotel near potters bar and taxi all the kit in.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    A Lynch compilation… a breath of fresh air…

    Premier Icon binners
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    Hmmmmm… Mick Lynch has made this statement and in reply Grant Schapps (or whatever he’s calling himself this week) has referred to it as ‘a complete lie’

    I wonder which one of them is telling the truth? 🤷‍♂️

    Premier Icon redmex
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    Between 7 and 8pm I must have heard at least 4 maybe 5 trains on the Dundee to Edinburgh line or other way about, what’s the betting they’d be empty of passengers

    Premier Icon thegeneralist
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    A Lynch compilation… a breath of fresh air…

    Thanks for that kelvin. That Lynch man is truly a god.

    Oh, and whilst I’m here, this warrants saying again:

    Doing anything other than slaving night and day until you rest in your grave in order to make the rich richer is how the English like it, judging from their behaviour at the ballot box.

    Premier Icon jonba
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    Why are rail fares going up by RPI but not wages?

    Nice sensible questioning of the Baron Marxist.

    Premier Icon binners
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    The best bit about that Peston clip of Mick Lynch taking Honest Bob Jenrick apart is the look on Emily Thorberry’s face. Priceless!

    The points he make are pretty much indefensible by the government.

    I bet theres going to be some excuses produced when number 10 asks for any volunteers to go into a studio when Mick Lynch is on. I note its all been underlings, and no senior frontbenchers will go anywhere near him, certainly not Boris, who’s probably in a fridge somewhere, just in case

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Anyone care to tell me the difference between Mick Lynch and Len McCluskey?

    Premier Icon binners
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    Hmmmm… let’s see….

    Has Mick Lynch recently given a £100 million of his union members money to one of his mates for construction of a hotel presently valued at £20 million?

    Is he regularly pictured at his table at the Ivy?

    Has he got his union to buy him a half million pound bolthole in Chelsea?

    Until we know the answers to those questions, I think the main difference I can see is that he seems to be actually interested in representing his members interests rather than spending all his time on self-promotion, shopping in Selfridges or having long lunches at expensive London eateries

    Premier Icon binners
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    Anyway… just listening to the news this morning and it sounds like the government may have massively misjudged the public mood on this one if they’re seeking a re-run of the miners strike.

    The train operators are sounding like they’re welcoming government interference about as much as the unions are, and they’d rather negotiate a solution rather than be used as pawns in the Tory’s culture war. Merseyrail have just negotiated a settlement without any drama.

    A representative from the recruitment agencies was on saying that there is no way they’d want to get involved in providing workers to break picket lines, and they don’t need to anyway as they can’t get enough workers to fill the available positions they already have, so they certainly don’t need to be dragged into any political mither.

    They also pointed out that these are skilled positions and you can’t just get anybody to rock up and do the job, even if they could find anyone inclined to do so

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    It’s a bonkers policy, the agency workers as strike breakers one that is, as if the public won’t notice the huge “we want to turn workers against workers” label attached to all the Daily Mail front pages and low level government members’ media appearances surrounding it. Not really a policy for government, it’s not meant to create any actual change on the ground, it’s just another signal… more red meat. Always campaigning, never actually governing. Same old.

    Premier Icon b230ftw
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    I heard on the radio yesterday that it wasn’t external agencies that they were trying to get in to cover work, it’s the movement of staff within the company to cover striking roles.
    Apparantely at present they aren’t allowed to get someone sitting in a office to cover an operational role for a day even if they are qualified and experienced. More stupid archaic union rules.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    They can if the employee agrees… what they can’t do is make an ex-guard, now working on back room duties, go back onto the trains without their agreement unless it’s in their contract. So they can’t make people step into a safety critical role that is literally not their job without their agreement. Seem obvious to me why.

    Premier Icon binners
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    I heard on the radio yesterday that it wasn’t external agencies that they were trying to get in to cover work, it’s the movement of staff within the company to cover striking roles.

    I’d not heard that. If thats the case then why are the government trying to change the law so they can use agency workers to cover strikers jobs? That is a very specific and significant change to a law thats been in place since the 70’s. Surely if what you’re saying was the desired outcome then they wouldn’t need a change a law, just a change in terms and conditions? But thats not what they’ve said they want to do.

    Sounds to me like they’re just using it as an excuse to change the law across the board to free up all employers to be able to do what P&O just did?

    Premier Icon RustySpanner
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    A representative from the recruitment agencies was on saying that there is no way they’d want to get involved in providing workers to break picket lines, and they don’t need to anyway as they can’t get enough workers to fill the available positions they already have, so they certainly don’t need to be dragged into any political mither.

    Bloke representing recruitment agencies on Radio 4 the other day said that there’s already an unofficial agreement in place not to provide scabs to replace striking workers.

    And what a breath of fresh air Mick Lynch is, a proper contrast to Laughing Len as pointed out so succinctly above.
    His logical dismantling of Tory lies and bullshit is what we’ve needed for years now.
    Why SKS can’t do this is beyond comprehension.

    Premier Icon BillMC
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    Lynch even got a plaudit from old Etonian Hugh Laurie.
    B2 you are James Goad. I claim my £5.

    Premier Icon MSP
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    I’d not heard that. If thats the case then why are the government trying to change the law so they can use agency workers to cover strikers jobs.

    That isn’t about this dispute, mainly low payed unskilled jobs are the ones that can be quickly covered by agency staff. There are a lot more of people who are now going into working poverty because of rising costs. The tories need to take away the effectiveness of industrial action now before it gathers pace. The theoretical threat that you can be replaced easily, just lose days of pay without winning anything should be enough to keep them in their place, downtrodden and in constant fear. Psychological intimidation as government policy has always been at the heart of the tories policy.

    Premier Icon RustySpanner
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    Twas ever thus.

    Never trust a Tory.

    Premier Icon ernielynch
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    Anyone care to tell me the difference between Mick Lynch and Len McCluskey?

    The obvious difference is related to each union’s relationship with the Labour Party- Unite is affiliated to the Labour Party whilst RMT withdrew their affiliation a long time ago.

    Consequently Unite pumps £millions into Labour’s coffers and understandably expects value for money from that investment and for it to be used to achieve the union’s aims and for the benefit of its members.

    In contrast RMT has no vested interest in the Labour Party and couldn’t give a monkeys about the internal politics of the party. A point which was made very clear when Wes Streeting publicly came out in support of the RMT only to be forced by Starmer to apologise and withdraw his support.

    The RMT’s reaction to that political summersault was to state that they weren’t in the least bit bothered as the opinions of an organisation which they aren’t even affiliated to is of no concern to them.

    IMO time is overdue for the Unite to disaffiliate from the Labour Party, let Labour rely on the wealthy donors who Starmer treats with far more respect than he does the trade unions.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Why SKS can’t do this is beyond comprehension.

    Because he has no interest in it. He’s not on the side of rail workers or any other workers. He’s on the side of the professional managerial classes who see themselves as the most important thing in our economy. These people won’t challenge the higher echelons of the establishment because they want to be like them. Starmer with his knighthood and membership of the privy council is already one of them, so is hardly likely to want to rock the boat.

    Premier Icon ernielynch
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    Yeah I don’t think that the former head of the Crown Prosecution Service could really present himself as a straight talking anti-establishment figure in the way that a trade union leader might.

    Maybe if the Labour Party had chosen someone with different credentials to be leader challenging the status quo might have been more realistic.

    But today’s Labour Party places its faith in establishment figures, preferably, it would appear based on their dominance within the party, lawyers. The sort of people who know what working people should vote for.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    But today’s Labour Party places its faith in establishment figures, preferably, it would appear based on their dominance within the party, lawyers.

    An old mate of mine used to be active in Lewisham CLP and all he ever went on about was how the labour party would be a much better place if they just got rid of all the lawyers within it. Can’t say I disagree. I’d probably add anyone in a directorship position of anything other than a small business or voluntary organisation.

    Premier Icon deadlydarcy
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    I think I’ll give BBCQT a watch tonight. Haven’t watched in a while but would be nice to see Lynch hand the panel’s arses to them on a plate. I can only imagine how the production company is loading the audience. 😀

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Good call on catching tonight’s QT

    Premier Icon ernielynch
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    I’ve just seen Eddie Dempsey Assistant RMT General Secretary being interviewed by the BBC and imo he spoke even more eloquently than Mick Lynch has been recently.

    He directly answered every question put to him and seamlessly went through each point knocking the nail on the head every time.

    I genuinely can’t remember the last time I heard anyone handle a political interview so effectively. Obviously the positions are well-rehearsed after majority decisions have been made, RMT officials are not making it up as they go along, but it is nevertheless impressive and is clearly driven by genuine belief and passion.

    Premier Icon alanl
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    Why SKS can’t do this is beyond comprehension.

    Because he has no interest in it. He’s not on the side of rail workers or any other workers. He’s on the side of the professional managerial classes who see themselves as the most important thing in our economy. These people won’t challenge the higher echelons of the establishment because they want to be like them. Starmer with his knighthood and membership of the privy council is already one of them, so is hardly likely to want to rock the boat.

    Exactly. I’ve said this for 10 years plus to a Labour fanatic friend. It doesnt matter which party are in power, they do nothing for the low paid Workers, but do whatever it takes to keep rich people rich. They are the ‘Establishment’ and want to stay that way, whatever party they belong to. There are few politicians who keep their feet on the ground when they become MPS, most seem to think they are a step above ‘normal’ people and do as little as possible to help people. How many politicians turn down a knighthood or promotion to the Lords – very few, as they want to be the establishment, and do just a few little things to keep the plebs on their side. How many MPs voted against their latest ( and all previous) inflation busting payrises? Why didnt the minimum wage go up the same amount?

    Premier Icon n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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    Unite and GMB union members of British Airways Heathrow voted to strike, dates to be announced, let’s get the ’22 season of discontent snowball rolling.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61906236

    Premier Icon binners
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    I’ve just had a look who Johnsons sacrificial lamb is on QT tonight. I had to look her up as I’d never heard of her… Rachel Maclean. Who?

    I gather the cabinet, even down to the most junior bag-carrier, are all presently hiding in a fridge with Boris

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    How can 1 person in a vehicle be cheaper than 1000 people sharing one to a destination?

    Because each car get thousands of pounds worth of subsidy a year. The subsidy to private motorists is an order of magnitude greater that trains. Reverse the situation and train fairs go down and the far too cheap costs of cars goes up dramatically

    Premier Icon ctk
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    Apparantely at present they aren’t allowed to get someone sitting in a office to cover an operational role for a day even if they are qualified and experienced. More stupid archaic union rules.

    As someone who has worked on the railways, it really wouldn’t make sense for someone to come out of an office and take an operational role. It would be dangerous not an archaic rule but a sensible one.

    Premier Icon rone
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    As Mick Lynch said Labour have underrepresented the working class leaving gaps for the populists.

    I like how the media just don’t have to tools to deal with him.

    Love it.

    Premier Icon tuboflard
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    As someone who has worked on the railways, it really wouldn’t make sense for someone to come out of an office and take an operational role. It would be dangerous not an archaic rule but a sensible one.

    Completely agree. Bear in mind that you need train drivers trained on routes with continuous experience of said route to be allowed to drive it. If that experience lapses then they need to retrain on it before being allowed to drive it alone again. This has been an issue post-Covid as lots of drivers lost said experience and needed to relearn routes (have a look at the January timetable to see service reductions directly as a result of this).

    So there’s not a cat in hells chance of someone in a back office job dusting off his or her drivers hat and “giving it a go” at driving the 9.26 from Cleethorpes.

    Premier Icon dissonance
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    Apparantely at present they aren’t allowed to get someone sitting in a office to cover an operational role for a day even if they are qualified and experienced. More stupid archaic union rules.

    I am curious as to which radio station you are listening to since it seems rather confused.
    There are no laws that I am aware of which would prevent that happening and I recall in the royal mail staff (primarily managers) providing cover during a strike.
    Since the recruitment body and the TUC all reference a specific law regarding agency workers I would go with that being the case.

    Although I grant that a union would be opposed to staff being reroled since to cover a strike but I wouldnt really consider that archaic but just practical.

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