The word 'B*tch' get's past the swear filter. Why?

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  • The word 'B*tch' get's past the swear filter. Why?
  • Premier Icon Drac
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    Quite a regular occurrence on this forum, judging by the search I just did.

    And your point is?

    Oh and did you just search for the word bitch or did you search for only when it’s been used as an insult to women, how about when it’s used to insult mean did you filter those out too?

    My guess is it’s crap.

    ransos
    Member

    So just focussing on a word that can, in some contexts, be used as a derogatory word for a woman seems a bit bizarre.

    And let’s not forget that there are children starving in Africa.

    Some men can accurately be described as bastards

    Some women can accurately be described as bitches

    It’s perfectly true that some men may not know the identity of their parents, but I’m pretty sure that no woman is a female dog.

    I’ve always used it as a term of endearment, as in “me bitch”.

    Mind you I also often use the C-word as a term of endearment.

    So I’m probably not the best judge.

    ransos
    Member

    And your point is?

    Oh and did you just search for the word bitch or did you search for only when it’s been used as an insult to women, how about when it’s used to insult mean did you filter those out too.

    My guess is it’s crap.

    I would’ve thought that a moderator would be interested if a gender-specific term is being used to insult women on these pages. Instead, you seem to be very defensive.

    4130s0ul
    Member

    can we all please make sure that any swearing or insult is preceded by a disclaimer notifying the general public and the insultee that any gender specific or non gender specific term is not to be solely reserved for a specific or non-specific gender and that you reserve the right to mix and match as you deem appropriate or inappropriate.

    The above disclaimer can be tailored for sexuality, religion or wheel size

    aracer
    Member

    I’m wondering if we’re all missing the point – I’ve re-read the OP carefully and surely the suggestion is simply that more words should be allowed through the swear filter?

    Tom_W1987
    Member

    Really, I’m with Mrs Fry.

    I want more women mtbing, mostly because I’m a pervert. But that’s besides the point, if we use language that keeps them out – then you **** aren’t going to get anywhere with the opposite sex. πŸ˜€

    Premier Icon Drac
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    would’ve thought that a moderator would be interested if a gender-specific term is being used to insult women on these pages. Instead, you seem to be very defensive.

    Defensive of what?

    A word that can be used as insult doesn’t need to be blocked because it once was. We’d be blocking a lot of words otherwise.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    It’s perfectly true that some men may not know the identity of their parents, but I’m pretty sure that no woman is a female dog.

    You might want to look more closely at those results then.

    From the first page of my Google search for “Bitch” the contexts are as follows:

    FS: NS Bitch Frame (Original version)
    Glentress “The Bitch”
    fs ns bitch frame + bits
    OT- Anyone out there wanting a beatiful working Cocker bitch …
    FS: Spank Bitch Stick riser and 50mm stem
    Danni Mynogue =X Factor Bitch..
    Pit Bitch
    FS Dr Jekyll XL and Ns Bikes Bitch
    FS – NS Bitch dirt / jump / street : 9 speed awesome build …
    Help!! – choosing a dog – Boy or Girl? – cocker spaniel

    So arguably one of those is actually using it as an insult (Pit Bitch) and that was just someone’s user name.

    (The Dani Minogue one is someone “bitching” about her, not calling her a bitch I think – but we could count that one too if it helps).

    For Bastard the contexts are:

    ever felt like a proper bastard?
    Double Bastard
    Bastard tyres
    I should be dead – bastard motorist nearly killed me!
    Bastard ITBS….
    Bastard Sellers Tricks!
    way, way , weigh OT: just weighed our cats (fat bastard content …
    SOME CHAV BASTARD IS ROLLIN OUT ON MY YETI 5!!!!
    SOME CHAV BASTARD IS ROLLIN OUT ON MY YETI 5 …
    Identification chart for Oz spiders

    So yeah most of them are insults, not identifying fatherless men.

    ransos
    Member

    A word that can be used as insult doesn’t need to be blocked because it once was. We’d be blocking a lot of words otherwise.

    If you read my posts you’ll note that I haven’t asked for it to be blocked.

    ransos
    Member

    You might want to look more closely at those results then.

    I already have, thanks. I think I’m capable, because I’m an adult, of working out when “bitch” is being used as a sexist insult, and when it isn’t.

    For Bastard the contexts are:

    More whataboutery. If it bothers you, start a thread.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    If you read my posts you’ll note that I haven’t asked for it to be blocked.

    Yup I know but I’m still unsure what your point is. Apart from claiming its used regular on here to insult. Which can be reported.

    aracer
    Member

    ransos wrote:

    More whataboutery.

    Isn’t the whole thread whataboutery?

    Looks like a non-problem to me!

    Was that the subtlest Jay-Z reference ever? If so πŸ˜†

    My niece called me her bitch once after she beat me to the top of a climb. I slipped a pedal, honest i did!

    The word itself isn’t offensive, like a lot of British swearing it can often be used affectionately so banning the word would be overkill but reporting posts where it’s used offensively would seem reasonable.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    I think I’m capable, because I’m an adult, of working out when “bitch” is being used as a sexist insult, and when it isn’t.

    Good then a quick scan through the results will confirm that using it as a sexist insult is not “a regular occurrence on this forum” – in fact it’s actually pretty rare, especially when compared to the frequency that male-specific insults are used.

    More whataboutery.

    It’s not whataboutery – it’s context and perspective.

    I already have, thanks. I think I’m capable, because I’m an adult, of working out when “bitch” is being used as a sexist insult, and when it isn’t.

    FFS stop bitching and calm the **** down.

    If you spent less time bitching you might not sound so angry and enjoy life a little more.

    That’s a Top Tip.

    If this was a Hollywood movie, GrahamS and Ransos would fall into each other’s arms and kiss right about now.

    ransos
    Member

    Yup I know but I’m still unsure what your point is. Apart from claiming its used regular on here to insult. Which can be reported.

    My perception of STW is that, at times, there is a nasty undercurrent of misogyny running through the place. The use of a gender-specific term to insult women is just one manifestation of that. We could all reflect on whether our language creates a negative impression and puts women off, or we could choose to dismiss it without consideration.

    ransos
    Member

    Good then a quick scan through the results will confirm that using it as a sexist insult is not “a regular occurrence on this forum” – in fact it’s actually pretty rare, especially when compared to the frequency that male-specific insults are used.

    And again, let’s not forget that there are children starving in Africa.

    Tom_W1987
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    Personally, I think MrsFry was trolling you. Seeing as she openly propositioned (read sexually harassed) ASTR as he was laying in his hospital bed.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Excellent much clearer. As said such things can be reported and we will review them.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    It would be quite difficult to discuss our canine pets if all derogatory terms for women were filtered…

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    our language creates a negative impression and puts women off

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Amumsnet.com+bitch = 18,300 hits

    I’m not convinced it’s the language that puts women off πŸ˜€

    And again, let’s not forget that there are children starving in Africa.

    You say something is “a regular occurrence”.
    I demonstrate that it isn’t.
    You say that’s “whataboutery”.

    πŸ˜•

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Scunthorpe is more of a concern.

    In IT circles it’s widely known as “the Scunthorpe Problem.”

    I got bitten by this not all that long ago when I changed job titles and suddenly found a vast amount of my emails were being flagged as spam. The problem was “specialist” containing “cialis” which is some oft-spammed drug or other (Viagra-a-like I think).

    though (the Father Ted version) – can’t understand why that’s banned

    This predates me but I believe it was simply due to overuse.

    Would like to know STWs answer as to why it get’s a free pass to be continued to be used.

    Context I expect. It’s not in and of itself a swear word so generally wouldn’t be in the swear filter. However it can be used as an insult, and abusing other users is against the T&Cs. I’d urge you to use the Report Post link for anything you find offensive and someone will review it. “Bitch” has a number of perfectly legitimate uses also, so it’s not something that an automated system could easily filter out.

    If you like, the answer to “why isn’t there a speed camera here” is “because we’ve got a policeman with a notepad instead.”

    I just note that “bastard”, which is pretty much the male gender equivalent of “bitch”, is used more than three times as often here.

    Given the ratio of male to female forum members, that statistic doesn’t do your argument any favours…!

    …..there is a nasty undercurrent of misogyny running through the place. The use of a gender-specific term to insult women is just one manifestation of that.

    There might well be a nasty undercurrent of misogyny running through the place, but the use of a gender-specific term to insult women isn’t a manifestation of that as it’s a term widely used by women.

    Unless you’re suggesting that it’s only used by misogynistic women.

    ransos
    Member

    There might well be a nasty undercurrent of misogyny running through the place, but the use of a gender-specific term to insult women isn’t a manifestation of that as it’s a term widely used by women.

    Unless you’re suggesting that it’s only used by misogynistic women.

    I would’ve thought, in 2016, that it wasn’t necessary to explain why a man using “bitch” to refer to a woman is not quite the same thing as women using it to refer to each other. See also: black people referring to each other as “****”.

    Edited to add: I’m pretty surprised that made it through the swear filter!

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    For reference, here’s a complete list of words in the swear filter:

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    “though (the Father Ted version) – can’t understand why that’s banned”

    This predates me but I believe it was simply because of overuse.

    You mean overused like this Cougar?

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogrfAgbIfFo[/video]

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Given the ratio of male to female forum members, that statistic doesn’t do your argument any favours…!

    Pfffft… let’s not forget that there are children starving in Africa. πŸ˜‰

    aracer
    Member

    Tom_W1987 wrote:

    Personally, I think MrsFry was trolling you.

    Wow. She’s never done that before has she? Have I been had?

    Premier Icon Drac
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    This predates me but I believe it was simply due to overuse.

    Yes it was because it was being used to ‘avoid’ the swear filter instead of using ****.

    For reference, here’s a complete list of words in the swear filter:

    …and all 4 letters long. What are the chances.

    aracer
    Member

    Cougar wrote:

    For reference, here’s a complete list of words in the swear filter:

    Gosh, I hadn’t expected **** to be in there

    it was being used to ‘avoid’ the swear filter instead of using ****.

    You mean the bad F-word?

    Premier Icon Drac
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    You know the one.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Fat?

    (my six year old genuinely thinks that this is “the bad F word” – long may that continue!)

    robowns
    Member

    This thread is bitchin.

    Please show your working.

    I also lol’d at this.

    Premier Icon The Pinkster
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    Used to do IT support for a major building company

    Jewsons ?No, John Laing.

    Could we have a form for words we’d like to see in the swear filter?

    Obviously, it pays to be polite…

    Bitch please

    Premier Icon Drac
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    my six year old genuinely thinks that this is “the bad F word” – long may that continue!)

    So that’s who started the fat bikes are shit thread. Now it makes sense.

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