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  • bikebouy
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    Well QECP was busy.. I don’t do “sportives” of any kind (running or riding) and this being my first trail marathon I’m not too sure I’ll do another like it either… Too many people.

    Did my best, according to my garmin it did it in 4:53 and that was being paced by my Uber fast trail running mate, who in the last 8k ran off and left me to vomit in my sleeves.. alone.. and I don’t blame him.. bless him for his constant encouragement and pace..

    It was very well run, the trials were typically sloppy clay and chalk for the area, some of the top wooded sections nice and loamy.. got caught too many times catching people up and trying to pass them.. then having fast folks pass me.. then 10k in it thinned out a lot but by then I think the half marathon entrants had started to finish.. I felt always on the back foot.. don’t normally run that fast and often would blow up and then recover an a downhill bit then pace on he flat (ha!) but today was just on the edge of the top of my normal pace..

    Weather was nice and grey, light wind and not cold !

    Now thinking of the South Downs Eastbourne to Brighton Seven Sisters event, apparently it’s not as busy and plenty of folks walk it..

    Spin
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    First two hill races of the season this weekend, not entirely convinced a double header was the way to go, proper jelly legs at the end of today but as Nietzsche never tired of saying, that which does not kill us makes us stronger.

    Anyone else racing today?

    Premier Icon notmyrealname
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    Dont walk

    Followed this advice and just went out for a steady run for a little longer today.

    Managed 8km in about 46 minutes without any walking. Surprisingly it didn’t feel too bad and I quite enjoyed it.

    It’s not fast or far compared to most people posting on here but I was pretty happy with that!

    stayhigh
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    I went to a running shop in Tunbridge Wells

    Whats the name of the shop please as only have Sports Direct or Sweatshop here in Maidstone so would be nice to have some sensible advice on my next pair.

    Over the last 10 days I’ve managed three 2k runs which have been my first for the last 4 weeks since my knee niggle/ongoing back issues.  Trying to keep on top of my yoga/physio exercises routine by doing it at least every other day which helps a lot and hopefully net week I’ll be able to up the distance a little for a run.

    Planning to run monday 2k, wednesday 3k and sunday 2k and see how that goes and then start increasing the distance over the coming weeks for the half marathon I have booked in for May 12.

    Anyone else racing today?

    I did my duathlon. Was on standby list so thought I’d have a few beers on Saturday night, forgetting I’d lose an hour’s sleep. Chucked bike in car with kit and headed to event to be told “Yes, you have a place, here’s your number.” 😮 So I racked up my not-ridden-in-anger-for-around-5-years bike with all the full carbon, tri-bar equipped mean machines and quietly shat myself  😀

    Both runs either side of the bike were ok but man I sucked big time on the bike. Had some proper chubsters pass me. Swapping to laced up trainers (couldn’t find my eleastic jobbies on Saturday) while knackered after bike ride lost me another few places – got nicely into running rhythm around 6-700 m but at that stage there wasn’t enough of the run left to catch the guys I would have caught. Put on a wee sprint to catch one on the line but ended up halfway down the field of 50ish with a time of 50.06 for 2k run, 15k bike, 2k run. I’d have been happy with 50 before the race – just need to accept I have work to do on the bike. And it was excellent practice.

    Spin
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    I did my duathlon

    I don’t know why there aren’t more duathlons about. Running and biking are a logical combo, why throw that swimming pish into the mix?

    Spin
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    One of my mates was taking part in the Barkley Marathons this weekend. He DNF’d but there isn’t any shame in that!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkley_Marathons

    That’s a brilliant film if you haven’t watched it Spin, proper hardcore yet grassroots stuff.

    Mrs Nobeer as been aiming to get down to sub 30 for a 5k for a wee while now, she has only been running for maybe 5 or 6 months now, her PB was 30.23 before the weekend. So, she asked if I’d go with her and pace her to get down to her target, truth be told, I let her do the pace as she set off at a good clip straight from the off, just kept talking to her and encouraging her, ended up doing a 27.12, the wee flyer that she is!.

    I was buzzing all day after that, so chuffed for her.

    Premier Icon theotherjonv
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    Whats the name of the shop please as only have Sports Direct or Sweatshop here in Maidstone

    I see this a few times, are Sweatshop not a ‘proper’ running shop / is their advice not good?  I know they are a SD brand now, but the staff seemed knowledgeable enough whenever I’ve been in to my local branch, and i run most weeks now with their group run.

    thecaptain
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    Is Barkley really running though? Sure it sounds tough but 100 miles in 60 hours can’t involve very much running! One of our club members did a Bob Graham last year and described it as mostly a hard walk…

    MrSparkle
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    Mrs Sparkle did Darwen Heritage Half Marathon yesterday. It’s a hilly bugger. She was hoping for sub 2 hours and got 1:52. Happy bunny.

    At the same race another member of our running club was first lady. Impressive but even more so because the day before she reccied Leg 4 of the Bob Graham course! #machine.

    Meanwhile I did Kendal Winter League fell race at Helm Hill. 28th out of 88 runners and 4th V50. I am pretty pleased with that, tbh. Plus I’ve now done enough races to count for the League results.

    One of our club members did a Bob Graham last year and described it as mostly a hard walk…

    I’d suggest said member may be a bit of a gobshite.

    MrSparkle
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    A bit harsh. There’s a lot of walking going on, ‘cos you ain’t gonna run all that! Billy Bland said ‘It’s a walk’ and did walk it in sub 24 hours to prove it.

    thecaptain
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    Oh he wasn’t meaning to imply it was easy or boast at all. But at roughly 70 miles in 22 hours or something..that’s not really running speed, though I’m sure he jogged sections.

    Not a gobshite at all, a very modest and pleasant person in fact. But he knows the difference between running and walking!

    Aye, but is your mate Billy Bland? no, thought not.

    People always concentrate on how hard it’d be to run up that amount of hills, but my respect is for what those guys do going down the way, phenomenal running, and bloody hard on the body.

    thecaptain
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    The runners do a double bob.

    Impressive stuff.

    Even getting your head round the logistics and remembering the route must be tough, especially when yer hanging out yer arse.

    caspian
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    I also did the QECP event in Hants yesterday, but only the half (not the full marathon).  Got 12th place (1hr 45mins) which I did not expect!  217 finishers.

    Some serious climbing on that course (600mtrs per 13-mile lap).  The thought of doing a 2nd lap for the marathon – I have no idea how anyone did that.  Fair play to you, BB.

    Now foaming at the mouth for another event to enter to keep the motivation up!

    Premier Icon lunge
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    Decided on a recovery run at lunch, 5k, struggled to hold 8 minute miles and was blowing the whole way round. Upload to Strava to find my heart rate didn’t go above 130bpm which is at least 40bpm lower than I’d have expected. I suspect that either fatigue (likely) or imminent illness (hopefully not). Either way, my legs now feel shot…

    bikebouy
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    I’m **** today ..

    Needed a walk on the beach to stretch my legs and back..

    It will be some time before I do another like that, there is the Northumberland coastal event that takes my fancy.. but the Eastbourne-Brighton is next.

    I am definitely not turning into a marathon “specialist” I did this because it’s on my doorstep and I run at QECP three times a week (between 10-20ks) so thought “yeah, why not let’s see how I go”

    As I said, it was a bit too busy for me.. I am really solitary when I run, or with my mate (but he’s too fast for me, don’t really know why he waits TBH)

    I run mainly because I get very frustrated with work and life stuff, not anxious just frustrated. When I’m pacing out something happens in my brain and things clear out, or I discover other thoughts about how to approach tricky situations. Riding never did that for me, don’t know why because essentially pacing is the same.. So I trail run.

    I have approached trial running with less structure than I applied to my training when riding. When riding I had all sorts of interval structures and tapering regimes, build programmes and the like and it became too much, I lost the love for just riding out.. I seemed to be chasing some far off nirvana yet at the same time I never entered any events nor competed.. ok I did the odd CXer event but that was just for fun.. I rode mainly for the freedom from sitting behind a desk and the need for discovery and freedom and sunlight..

    Trial running is much more intensive and all encompassing. I’m so absorbed when running I can “feel” the environment.. that’s an odd thing to say, but it’s true.. it’s not spiritual, I just feel absorbed and cocooned within the moment of the plod and sounds and wind and crunch and stains..

    A few days off, back over there on weds for a 10k loop..

    This thread is way more enlightening than any riding thread I’ve ever commented on.

    Well done all for your efforts, some days just getting out and plodding is enough.

    ☄️🥊

    2nd Park run of the year, perfect weather and got a new PB and first sub 20 of the year, 9th overall and first in my age category which is my best yet too. A bit annoyed I didn’t break 19, went out really fast in a cluster of folk who were probably aiming for a sub 20, at around 3’45/km and when they began whittling down and slowing below 4min/km should have pushed on past instead of tailgating the leader for a bit.

    Spin
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    But at roughly 70 miles in 22 hours or something..that’s not really running speed, though I’m sure he jogged sections.

    The average pace you need to do one of the big 3 24hr rounds looks like walking pace but for some of the climbs you’ll be going at less than 1mph so you need to make up for that by moving a fair bit faster where possible. The strategy most people adopt is to walk all the ups and run (at a steady pace obviously) the downs / flats.

    Yes, Bland walked the whole thing but it’s worth remembering that he was an exceptional athlete with unrivalled local knowledge and that he was by his own admission totally busted afterwards, more so than when he took the running record for the BG.

    That said, there’s no doubt in my mind that an experienced hillwalker who can run a bit is much more likely to succeed on a BG, CR or PB than a good runner.

    MrSparkle
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    The runners do a double bob.

    Er, eh? What’s that in reply to? Only two people have done the double Bob Graham  – Roger Baumeister in 1975 and Nicky Spinks in 2016.

    Spin
    Member

    Er, eh? What’s that in reply to? Only two people have done the double Bob Graham  – Roger Baumeister in 1975 and Nicky Spinks in 2016

    Probably the chat about the Barkley Marathons. It’s about the same as a double BG in terms of height gain but less in distance (assuming the BM is actually the 100 miles they say it is).

    MrSparkle
    Member

    Ah, ok. Ta.

    Spin
    Member

    Is Barkley really running though? Sure it sounds tough but 100 miles in 60 hours can’t involve very much running!

    I haven’t heard the post match analysis yet but I suspect there’s much more to Barkley than the numbers suggest. The chap from our club that just tried it is pretty hardcore (think solo, on-sight, winter BG) and only managed 3 laps. He’s very much a runner but yes, that kind of thing isnt running as Joe Public would recognise it.

    marcus
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    Spin – Thar Eoin ? Trying to find an update ?

    ajf
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    He’s very much a runner but yes, that kind of thing isnt running as Joe Public would recognise it.

    I was thinking about this as I was running this weekend. I consider myself very much a runner but I struggle to have ‘running’ conversations as I am pretty ignorant to the road side of things that Joe Public recognise.

    I have had numerous conversations where people start talking pace, 10km times, sub 40 mins, sub 3 hours marathon, negative splits, looking for flat courses?, PB’s (not the trainers). Have you done this race or that. The conversation falls pretty flat with the honest answer of never having run a road race and I ‘think’ my time would be around x amount but??? I think at this point they think all the gear no idea and wander off with an energy recovery drink and a vegan paleo recovery energy bar

    I have however done multiple marathon and ultra races, multi day stage races and some of the toughest mountain/fell races around. I think nothing of packing a tent and off I go over hill and dale and often come back battered bruised and bleeding, caked in mud and snot to sit in pub eating pies and drinking beer.

    We are all runners but we are very different. I like that broad church.

    ajf
    Member

    @marcus Eoin pulled out with a broken shoulder. Made two laps before retiring.

    surfer
    Member

    That Barkley Marathon thing just strikes me as your typical USA made up “tradition”

    I have ran in local races that have a better “pedigree” Lets just make it as obscure and esoteric as possible and people will love it. bull****

    marcus
    Member

    Cheers ajf – yeah, just found it on his Facebook page.

    Spin
    Member

    That Barkley Marathon thing just strikes me as your typical USA made up “tradition”

    I have ran in local races that have a better “pedigree” Lets just make it as obscure and esoteric as possible and people will love it. bull****

    Prejudices fully to the fore there…

    Personally I think it’s more likely that the founder is a genuine eccentric.

    stayhigh
    Member

    I see this a few times, are Sweatshop not a ‘proper’ running shop / is their advice not good?

    It was reflection on the comment from the original poster who received poor advice from a Sweatshop and based on the general disinterest from the teenager slave labourers in my local branch.  Given that the OP was able to provide a good qualitative account of his experience with another running shop that is local to me and my own poor experience of my local Sweatshop, I would rather take my hard earned elsewhere.

    If your experience with your local Sweatshop is different and you are happy going there then that is great 🙂

    alanf
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    First Trunce of the year last night.

    It’s the signal for summer to begin 🙂 so obviously today its pissing it down!

    The river Don was carrying a bit more water than usual and on crossing 2 I hit a hole in the river bed and went below knee deep stumbled, and just about managed to stay upright, but was pretty wet from then.

    A change to the start, further back down the track meant times were down from last year but makes it a little bit tougher also.

    A good turn out saw just shy of 400 complete the course.

    South Yorkshire road leagues start Wednesday 🙂

    That awkward moment when your runnning partner does a nostril-clear out, you feel a splash on your leg and just hope it was because he stepped in a puddle at the same time. FFS. Can’t people just slow down a bit before they do that shizzle. 🤮

    Premier Icon theotherjonv
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    If your experience with your local Sweatshop is different and you are happy going there then that is great

    Ah, but that’s the point. I’ve only bought one pair of shoes in the past 20 years being new back to running, and while I thought the advice and info was good, how do I really know?   Attentive and friendly doesn’t mean factually correct.

    Is it acceptable to take my shoes and insoles to an indy LRS and ask them if they think they’re right for me, or will they just try to upgrade me anyway?

    Premier Icon nickc
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    That Barkley Marathon thing just strikes me as your typical USA made up “tradition” I have ran in local races that have a better “pedigree”

    Do your research. The Barkley marathon exists in the format it does because of ingrained stuck-up attitudes like yours. That’s why the rules change, way it’s so hard to enter, and hard to win.

    surfer
    Member

    Do your research. The Barkley marathon exists in the format it does because of ingrained stuck-up attitudes like yours. That’s why the rules change, way it’s so hard to enter, and hard to win.

    Can you unpick that for me so that it is coherent? Why is my attitude “stuck up”? I would even say it is you who is “stuck up” selecting this as some great example of “inclusivity” It is simply Hollywood style faux “uniqueness”

    I have no issue with the event itself but would you have singled it out if it hadnt been on Netflix?

    Premier Icon nickc
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    The whole point of the marathons is to stick two fingers up at the sorts of races that you’ve mentioned; the ones that have tradition and pedigree. It’s set up solely to take the piss out of those sorts of events; the ridiculous entry barriers, the rules (that keep people away), the difficulty of the event itself, all of those things are a parody

    You’ve dismiss it out off hand because you thought it was trying to be the sort of race you laud because of their pedigree, but you missed the joke, which I guess means he’s closer to the mark than I thought he was TBH.

    surfer
    Member

    It’s set up solely to take the piss out of those sorts of events; the ridiculous entry barriers, the rules (that keep people away), the difficulty of the event itself, all of those things are a parody

    Wow, contrived, is that really what you think? You seem to have drunk the koolaid!

    The races I “laud” have very low barriers to entry, you seem to be lumping “pedigree” along with “barriers to entry” not what I am talking about at all.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    Anyway, back to the running. Checking in again as I think I am making progress having been in at the start of the thread and then not as I stopped running again for a month or so when my injuries caught up with me. I think the longest run I did was about 5km, but I tried going for a proper run and overdid it – sore achilles which took over a week to settle down, so I had a rest. Ran again a couple of weeks ago, instead of doing the continuous runs I’d done before I tried something like the c25k programme with runs and walks and I seemed to recover from it OK despite doing a decent pace. Last night I did something similar with two 1.5km runs and a final 1km run with rests between – probably pushed it a bit hard with a fast pace 500m in each run, the fastest at almost 4min/km pace (it seems strange that’s now a fast pace, I’ve run a half marathon at that speed!) A bit stiff today, but crucially no pain from my achilles, so I might be back on it. I have noticed my lack of ankle flex for doing other things and started to address that, so that’s probably helping.

    Anyway, back to the running

    Yes please.

    bikebouy
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    My mate Jonny does those ultra marathons.. y’no those Sahara and across China things.. he did one last year in the New Forest running a circuit of 5miles and over 24hrs to see how many laps he could do.. He thinks nothing of running into work from Beaconsfield into Town.. Mans a bloody loony, good job he’s got his own company eh.

    Anyway, he started running as a fat 19st lad back in 2004.. beer and crisps, pies and chips and all manner of MDMA abomination on the dance floor.. I remember it well, the conversation we had..

    He said “shit night last night, I’m done drugs, I’m done pies, I’m doing the London Marathon next year”

    And we fell about laughing, seriously if you saw this pasty looking fat lad you’d never have imagined the determination and motivation he had.. Was impressive but we all sort of said “yeah, wot evz” 2 months in and we caught up.. and he’s looking trimmer.. you can tell these things when you know someone well.. and he’s done nothing more than stop scoffing, dropped the beer and walking into work..

    Then the story gets a bolster when his entry comes through.. and he turns up, we wait by the Appt Nr Canary Wharf and we see him run past.. We were ecstatic..

    Time rolled on, he did more training and is where he is now..

    All it takes is a change of mind, heart, planning and determination..

    His advice to me when I took up trail running ? Take it easy, pace yourself down, enjoy the plod, one day at a time..

    Managed a 10k PB the other day, even though I wasn’t actually trying for it – headed out planning on doing a brisk 5k on roads, nice evening so thought I’d extend it, went off road along river and through park, took a couple pictures, stopped for a piss. By the time I got back on roads at about 8k thought might as well keep going to 10, last k was down Aberdeen’s main shopping street so dodging in and out of shoppers n phone zombies, v surprised to have knocked a few seconds off pb. Reckon there’s a minute or two can be chopped if I’m not mucking about.  Bodes will for first race of the year (Kilomathon in Edinburgh). Interval training seems to be doing good.

    bikebouy
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    I’m still suffering, bailed out of my recovery run yesterday so did it today.. not good sensations TBH.. blew up 3 times on the climbs.. I guess my heads not in it ATM.. some days are like that though aren’t they.

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