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  • mark88
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    Trail running shoes don’t really have ankle support – they’re for running, not hiking!

    I guess I mean something supportive, rather than light weight. I have a habit of rolling my ankle when I’m hiking or running on uneven ground.

    Not a great deal of help when it comes to answering your question, but TBH I think people tend to overthink this

    Of course, but nice to have some direction. I’m always conscious of going into a shop and receiving a sales pitch rather than unbiased advice so like to have a good idea of what I’m looking for first.

    Spin
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    Do I go a bit higher and get Salamon Speedcross which seem to be well regarded (popular)?

    Speedcross are OK, bit high at the back, bit floppy at the front, bit skitey on wet rock but generally OK all round. I’ve had several pairs for training/daily running and you can often pick them up very cheap. Salomon are better suited to narrow feet.

    If you want something a bit firmer/lower drop I really like my Salomon Sense Pro 3 – not sure if these are still available but there seems to be a mark 4.

    Not a great deal of help when it comes to answering your question, but TBH I think people tend to overthink this, when pretty much all the shoes will be fine for 95% of the time, and if you’re running in that final 5% you’ll probably have a pretty good idea of what you need.

    Agreed, I’m pretty happy with comfy as a priority, plenty space in the toe box and a decent grip.

    Premier Icon ta11pau1
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    I’ve been quite happy with my cheap New Balance MT590 V4’s. They’re wearing well – 122km on them, plus they’re my ‘normal’ trainers for everyday wear.

    dooosuk
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    New 10km PB for me last night, pleased with 51m47sec given it was part off road with styles/gates and part road. Given me some impetus to see if I can get to sub 50m at somepoint.

    Hip is giving me problems post runs and whilst sleeping at the moment though.

    Premier Icon mogrim
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    I guess I mean something supportive, rather than light weight. I have a habit of rolling my ankle when I’m hiking or running on uneven ground.

    I’ve not seen any running shoes that really support your ankle – it’s not really compatible with running. Even the Sauconys I’ve got at the moment (and they’re a complete panzer tank of a shoe) have limited ankle support:

    Saucony

    IME to save your ankles you’re better off using a bosu or similar once or twice a week to build up strength.

    As to a potential sales pitch, I’d just be wary of anyone insisting you need a particular type of shoe, most models are fine. Equally you don’t need to get trail shoes from a trail shoe brand, the mainstream brands like New Balance and Adidas have good stuff too. And you don’t need goretex 🙂

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    600km on my brooks cascadia 14’s and showing very little wear, thinking about buying a second pair to rotate them and mean I don’t have to run in wet shoes.

    Building up the distances over the last 3months of being furloughed and up to 20k plus now, which considering I could only hobble 100yds down the road in January, I’m pretty happy with.

    By support, I’d suggest something with a wide footprint, I felt like I was gonna roll my ankle at any minute on the mudclaws, far too narrow.

    Decided I’m running too many runs at the same pace, and probably doing too many tempo runs and intervals too, ran a really slow 5 miler early doors this morning, trying to keep my HR around 130bpm, which equates to 9 minute miles.

    I’m not fast by any means, but I find it hard to stick to that pace, keep finding myself drifting to a quicker pace.

    dooosuk
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    …but I find it hard to stick to that pace, keep finding myself drifting to a quicker pace.

    Having only started running in Dec/Jan I find I only have one pace. I’m getting quicker but I don’t find it easy to slow down. My mins/mile are all fairly consistent so it’s not like I’m starting quick and then petering out….I just can’t seem to run slower. Only reason I’d like to slow slightly is that all my runs seem to have me averaging 170bpm with a peak of 180bpm (measured on wrist with FR45)

    dooos, try moving your 45 up your wrist, above wrist bone, I find it reads a bit more steady here than it does on the actual wrist joint. 170 seems awful high, not saying it’s wrong mind, we’re all different.

    There’s definitely gains to be had by running slower on occasion, worth trying. I find it easier if I go for a social run with someone who’s slower, takes your mind off it a bit chatting away.

    dooosuk
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    45 is already a good cm above wrist bone. I think my problem is I’m 6’7″ and I can’t maintain a decent stride and run slow, just feels like shuffling.

    Aye, I feel a bit like that too, and I’m 5″ shorter than you!

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    I’m 6ft 3in and at 6:00-6:30 /km pace I can hold 165 cadence fairly easily. Trail running, even on mellow stuff helps as you have to take shorter steps over roots/rocks etc.

    On a long slow run I try and keep my HR below 150, a recent 6.2k at 6:08 /km pace was 149bpm average, if I can get that down to the low 140’s on a 6:20 /km longer run I’ll be happy.

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    One thing about heart rate is it’s very personal, so make sure you aren’t comparing yourself to others, as even 2 people the same fitness, age, weight etc running the same pace can have wildly different heart rates.

    My heart rate will drop to 30 overnight, averaged 111 for a 21km easy run this morning at 4:49/km but was about 167 as I was balls-out for a 2×2 mile session yesterday. I hit 181 towards the end on a 5 mile TT a few weeks ago where I was really flying, but very rarely see above 170 even on hard efforts.

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    200k run in June. Left myself with 21km to do last night so did a half marathon. Found some good hills Carshalton way, easy zone 2 for 18k, then saw I might nip under 2 hours so upped the pace for end. Really enjoyed the fast running!

    1:57 for half, longest run of 22km, didn’t stop, toes hurt – my curse.

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    toes hurt – my curse

    Check how you lace your shoes – I use the second lacing pattern on the following link to lock down the heel, stops my foot sliding forwards particularly on downhills:

    LPT: How to lace your running shoes from LifeProTips

    Premier Icon root-n-5th
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    @mogrim Thanks. Yep, I use that system. The shoes are big with lots of space at the front and I lock in pretty tight, to the point where it hurts the top of my foot then back off a bit. These new shoes are MUCH better and I can live with it, even though I have to wear toe protectors. It’s the third toe that seems to get it. I have very squared off feet that aren’t foot shaped. I’ll keep experimenting.

    Premier Icon ta11pau1
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    Another 10k today, that’s 2 in a row…

    Slow one today, wanted to keep my HR in the low 140’s.

    6:41 /km pace, 140 average HR. Result! 1:06 time vs my 59 min 10k the other day, but 13 bpm less average.

    Spin
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    Ben Nevis race now cancelled so the only thing I’ve got left is the OMM at the end of October! Hoping it can go ahead as you can distance from everyone bar your partner in that!

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