- The new Aluminium Scandal 29er from on one / planet x
Can someone explain…..
Pike rct3 – the pooches whatsits
Pike rc – slightly simpler but still the same damper.
Revelation charger rc – how is that different?
Revelation rc – motion control
35 rl – motion control, how is that different? Is it just like the old rl forks where the compression adjuster is 4 clicks for normal ~15 to lockout. In which case what does the rc get you other than a topcap that looks like the charger one but with less pixie dust*?
Confuddled of Berkshire.
*same expensive pixie dust as goes into 853 tubes.
P.s. do they all use the same CSU regardless of travel? If i get a 120mm set and a 130mm (or 140, 150, 160) air shaft is that going to work or do they trim the tubes to save weight?Posted 4 months ago
Boring question re the Scandal – could you comment on sizing please? At 6’1″ what size should I order, large ?
Me? I liked our old 18in frames, and I am 6’1 and a bit.
I think all the 5’8″ modern geometry fans are riding XLs aren’t they?
(Yes, I would go large, though I ride steep stuff, if I was nodding along tracks an XL might be better).Posted 4 months ago
Close to pulling trigger on full build – couple of queries. What’s the code for the £200/ £150 off? Tried the earlier preorder code but only worked on frame only. Also live near Sheffield what’s chance of collection (know this has been asked previously!)
Undecided on colour, keep flitting between both. How’s the orange looking ‘real life’Posted 4 months ago
What’s everyone’s opinion of the build for £800?
I got my email yesterday asking if I wanted to upgrade to a full build.
Am I right in thinking the forks are similar to how the old revelations were but with 35mm sanctions?
The wheels and tyres look very heavy and cheap.
The sram sx 1×12 is really good at that price point and the planet x / oo finishing kit is OK.
Just wondering about taking them up on the deal.
ThanksPosted 4 months ago
Close to pulling trigger on full build – couple of queries. What’s the code for the £200/ £150 off? Tried the earlier preorder code but only worked on frame only.
£100 off a frame right now with code PREORDER100Posted 4 months ago
and £200 off a complete bike with code PREORDER200
Pre ordered a frame just now. I want to built it up as a singlespeed do it all/ winter bike and was wondering what my options are for a singlespeed conversion.
Sprung or unsprung tensioner. Push down works in almost all cases, push up works with gears that need slightly less tenioning.
Blackspire stinger style tensioner (potentially neater but limited tensioning range like any push up tensioner)
Trickstuff eccentricer (pricey, also limited tensioning range)
Limited tensioning can be overcome by adding a half link, dont use an entire chain as they’re not great. Half links rule out cheap narrow wide rings so you have to source a propper ss chainring which arent as common as they once were as everyones making n/w by default. My preference is for sprung push down tensioners, they generally just work with little or no setup or adjustment required.Posted 4 months agocromolyollyMember
Dear Confuddle of Berkshire.
Charger 2 damper
This is RockShox current range-topping damper. It’s a fully sealed unit that uses a bladder to keep the damping oil isolated from the air. It’s available in different formats depending on the application, but the three main specs are the basic RC with adjustable rebound and low-speed compression to lockout, the RCT3 with three position compression setting from lock-pedal-open with low-speed compression adjustment in the open mode and the RC2 which gets high and low-speed adjustable compression damping plus rebound. The latter is only seen on dedicated gravity forks.
Charger 2.1 damper
This is an updated version of the Charger 2 damper seen on ‘Ultimate’ forks with some changes to the valving, such as less high-speed compression damping and more low-speed compression damping to make the fork sit up high in its travel.
There is also a new piston wear band inside the damper which is said to better manage oil flow, while a new rod seal from SKF is claimed to reduce friction by upwards of 30% at the rebound shaft.
It is available in RC2 and RCT3 versions, with the same differences in adjustment as the regular Charger range.
This is the mid-range damper and it comes in a few different formats. All are emulsion dampers, where the damping oil isn’t separated from the air in the fork, which can lead to less precisely controlled damping when the two materials mix -become an emulsion – under more extreme use. Not having the damping oil under any positive pressure – as it is in a sealed damper – can lead to loss of damping control due to cavitation as well, though this is rare.
This is the premium air spring that RockShox offers. It uses a higher volume self-balancing negative air spring relative to the standard Solo Air design to offer reduced breakaway force for better small bump compliance and a more linear starting stroke.
Dual Position Air spring
This is an air spring that allows you to externally adjust the travel by up to 30mm, depending on the fork.
Solo Air spring
This is the standard air spring seen on RockShox forks. It’s called Solo air because you only need to add air to a single valve and the spring will equalise the negative chamber by itself. At one point, they had a Dual Air spring that required you to do this via a second valve, hence the name.
Turn Key damper
This is the most simple and hence affordable damper seen on RockShox forks. It’s a basic emulsion damper.
I copied that to my local machine, for my own reference. I got it from a longer article in one of the magazines – I just can’t remember which one -sorry. If you copy a bit verbatim and paste it not Google the original will probably come up, since I cut and paste it verbatim.Posted 4 months agocromolyollyMember
Cheers cromolyolly, although kula72 had it more succinctly!
Yeah but I cut and paste so it was quicker (for me)
So the revelation charger is the same idea as the fox grip damper, replace the bladder with an ifp to simplify it.
Yep, ifp with a coilspring, iirc.
Confusingly I think they call that the charger rc damper, but if you buy a fork with an rc suffix, it wont necessarily have the rc damper but it might – clear as mud?
The 35 seems to be a replacement for the last revelation rc, leading to speculation that the revelation rc might disappear leaving just one revelation like the reba? series. Or the revelation rc will get an upgraded damper or spring from the previous version so it will be halfway between the 35 and the ‘better’ revelation -although it’s difficult to see how they could do that unless they bump up the spec on the better revelation too. Although I’m sure I read somewhere that there are actually 2 debonairs so maybe that comes into it. I think the 35 has cheaper seals and the like vs the revelation rc.
So 35 = debonair + motion controlPosted 4 months ago
‘old’ revelation rc = debonair + motion control
Revelation charger rc = debonair + charger rc
Buy a more expensive bike then. It’s not rocket science.
But I want a scandal, I loved my racing green scandal. Its the only bike I regret selling.
I was asking what people thought of the build and my reply was to brant.
I’ve bought a frame only and I will build it up but considered the full build and asked for people’s comments.
Thanks for your input thoughPosted 4 months ago
I have a scandal complete sat in my basket 😬 but I wanted to know if I could pick it up from your factory as I am only 20mins away,if this is possible how do I cancel the delivery charge
If that becomes possible we’d issue a refund. We have nothing in place yet, but it might be an option if we do our new “Sunday nighter” format we’re working on.
Though we’d definitely try and sell you a box of something instead of giving you any money back.
TLDR? “Get it bought”Posted 4 months ago
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