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  • project
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-25733272

    common sence and discretion would have been better,and cheaper,for all.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    A child who fails to attended school regularly results in parents getting a fine. Oh and they also went on holiday.

    crikey
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    …and I do 12 hour shifts, nights and days, and work through Christmas, Easter and so on.

    Common sense would suggest not going on holiday when it’s likely to get you a fine.

    Jamie
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    Common sense would dictate taking the hit and just paying the £360.

    project
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    But the holiday was booked and paid for before the law was changed.

    schools arent fined because they close because of poor weather, broken heating, or staff strikes etc.

    Not a very level playground is it.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    project wrote:

    Not a very level playground is it.

    That helps the water run off, avoiding the formation of icy puddles that might cause the school to be closed – and we wouldn’t want that!

    Jamie
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    Not a very level playground is it.

    Next you’ll be saying they also moved the goalposts.

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    project – Member

    schools arent fined because they close because of poor weather, broken heating, or staff strikes etc.

    Not really the same.

    TBH you can see both sides- if things aren’t going right, just carrying on doing the same thing often isn’t a good approach. So taking a break, quick holiday to reset things, then trying again could be more effective. So maybe, they’ve been fined for doing the best thing for their kid, when the law would have seen them remain in a rut.

    chewkw
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    Next there will be law against overweight people. 🙄

    I remember a time in the early 70s when a self proclaim sultan in the far east decreed that no man should have shoulder length. My youngest uncle who was influenced by Easy Rider movie, got stopped by the police with long hair. He decked the police. 😆 My father had to bail him out later.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    chewkw wrote:

    Next there will be law against overweight people.

    Do you think it was fatties walking on the playground that made it uneven?

    project
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    Next there will be law against overweight people.

    isnt there one already where fat people are forced to work, have their benefits taken off them,

    cynic-al
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    project do you spend all your time searching the internet for “news stories” for you to hand-wringingly post up on here and moan about?

    common sence

    Good point. After all, it’s not like kids learn anything useful at school – like spelling or anything.

    Scamper
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    Apparently there was no appeal process once the fine was dished out even if the powers that be were sympathetic.

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    common sence and discretion would have been better,and cheaper,for all.

    +1

    project
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    project do you spend all your time searching the internet for “news stories” for you to hand-wringingly post up on here and moan about?

    Its called debate on modern moral and socialistic issues,come the revolution all those daft jobsworth rules would be abolished along with people who dont question anything around them..

    Premier Icon bearnecessities
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    Next you’ll be saying they also moved the goalposts

    It’s mostly swings ‘n’ roundabouts.

    chewkw
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    scotroutes – Member

    chewkw » Next there will be law against overweight people.

    Do you think it was fatties walking on the playground that made it uneven?

    That depends if the laws allow overweight people to live.

    project – Member
    isnt there one already where fat people are forced to work, have their benefits taken off them,

    Forcing overweight people to work is one thing but I bet in future they will not allow to eat more than they like.

    wrightyson
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    One of our relatives has decided to get married on a Thursday, how will that pan out as the kids are invited? Is that deemed acceptable for a day off?

    Jamie
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    Just get them to cough a bit at school on Wednesday, with the groundwork laid, ring up and say they have Smallpox on the Thursday morning.

    It’s called debate on modern moral and socialistic issues,space herecome the
    Come the revolution we’ll all be uneducated half-wits with nothing better to do with our time but post pointless and irrelevant troll posts? You seem do be doing ok – did the revolution not happen up here?

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    What you learn at school is not the be-all/end-all of education, Whilst growing up i learned far more working with my father out at sea on his fishing boat or in his engineering workshops or the forestry work, i used to take weeks off school to help him out and to be honest the entire school process was a waste of my time – they weren’t going to let me sit my o-grades/highers as my attendance was so poor but i did and i passed 7 O’grades with the 2 poorest grades being a B, the next year i got 4A’s and 2B’s on my Highers despite going to school perhaps two days per week – personally if i had kids t’day i’d do whatever the **** i wanted to do with them.

    We are not owned by the state as subjects despite what maritime law or the birth certificate stands for.

    poly
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    Apparently there was no appeal process once the fine was dished out even if the powers that be were sympathetic.

    Well it is a conditional offer of fixed penalty (like a speeding ticket) so there is no “appeal” as such but if you don’t comply with the conditional offer you go to court. If you are then dissatisfied with the magistrates response you can go to the appeal court. So not really true to say “there is no appeal process”.

    One of our relatives has decided to get married on a Thursday, how will that pan out as the kids are invited? Is that deemed acceptable for a day off?

    I believe there is still provision for exceptional circumstances. You may find that the normal attendance and attitude of parent and child are factors that impact what is exceptional.

    I believe the tolerance (or robustness of enforcement action) is dependent on the normal attendance patterns of the child(ren); and the general attitude/approach of the parents.

    avdave2
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    I send my children to private schools which have longer holidays so I can take my family holidays when it’s still cheaper and I don’t have to share the beaches or the slopes with riff raff – isn’t that what you all do? 🙂

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    We have an au pair for holidays. I send my kids on holiday with the wife, so the au pair and I have more time together

    poly
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    personally if i had kids t’day i’d do whatever the **** i wanted to do with them.

    And you could choose to “home school” your children (then can still sit exams etc). But it is disruptive for everyone else when part time pupils do appear so its not unreasonable that the state has an all-or-nothing approach…

    We are not owned by the state as subjects despite what maritime law or the birth certificate stands for.

    did your Dad teach you that? or by any chance did he live under a bridge?

    chewkw
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    somafunk – Member

    We are not owned by the state as subjects despite what maritime law or the birth certificate stands for.

    But as people slowly relinquish their responsibility to look after themselves to rely heavily on the state, then you will witness zombie maggots ruling over us. Unfortunately, we will soon be assimilated into the collective zombie maggots in future. Resistance is futile … if you let them walk all over you.

    poly – Member

    personally if i had kids t’day i’d do whatever the **** i wanted to do with them.

    And you could choose to “home school” your children (then can still sit exams etc). But it is disruptive for everyone else when part time pupils do appear so its not unreasonable that the state has an all-or-nothing approach…

    Errrmm … do you really need to sit for exam or be schooled to survive in the modern world? Isn’t schooling the process of preparing people to slave, I mean work, for others?

    I mean there is something called Internet and I am sure in future school will be obsolete like many things else. Self-taught/learned is the way forward …

    There is more to this than is being reported. I work in Secondary Education with responsibility for overseeing attendance and welfare issues (albeit in Scotland) and the key phrase in the news report is “They admitted failing to ensure their children attended school regularly“.

    To me this indicates that there has been a pattern of poor attendance, and this case is not simply about a one-off family holiday.

    Frequent absences of one or two days are far more damaging to child’s education than a two-week break. Many parents are too permissive about allowing their children to be off “ill”, in some cases it averages over 2 days per week, and the state has to jump through a number of hoops to persuade them that they are responsible for remedying the situation. The ultimate sanction is that the children are taken into care, and really, who wants that?

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    To me this indicates that there has been a pattern of poor attendance, and this case is not simply about a one-off family holiday.

    Exactly it was typically only briefly mentioned by the media so they could concentrate on the hype they wanted to create to sell. Why can’t people see through the media?

    chewkw
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    Drac – Moderator
    Why can’t people see through the media?

    Errmmm … I don’t trust media as they are all run by zombie maggots.

    freeagent
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    There is more to this than is being reported. I work in Secondary Education with responsibility for overseeing attendance and welfare issues (albeit in Scotland) and the key phrase in the news report is “They admitted failing to ensure their children attended school regularly”.

    To me this indicates that there has been a pattern of poor attendance, and this case is not simply about a one-off family holiday.

    I spotted that aswell…
    what a great example to set your kids – rewarding poor attendance with a week in Greece during term time!
    He came across as a right tw*t in the report aswell (agree media twists things though)

    My wife is a secondary school teacher, and regularly has to deal with parents like him, who think the world owes them a favor, and they know better than everyone else..

    and as for you lot who reckon you learned more down ‘pit with your Dad than you ever learned in school, do you really think that is relevant?

    The article does say of the fella that “He told magistrates he decided to take a family holiday because of problems with his eldest daughter, whose behaviour and school attendance had deteriorated.”

    Which could be interpreted as rewarding her for poor attendance and behaviour, or as a genuine attempt to turn things around. However, if it was the latter, with the support of the school and associated agencies, then they’d never have ended up in court. Parents not taking responsibility in my book.

    avdave2
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    to be honest the entire school process was a waste of my their time

    FTFY 🙂

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    poly – lets agree to disagree on this one, you go and sit over there, preferably out of sight and earshot……..and i’ll get on my bike and bugger-off into the distance.

    And my dad taught me many important things, unlike school. A few examples for you : why i had to hold my breath whilst cleaning out the bilge pump in a force 8, 10 miles west of Jura and how to safely operate the chainsaw i got for my 12th birthday, i doubt school would have been much use for that.

    As far as i know he never lived under bridges, he’d have ripped the **** head from the troll (as his arms are larger than my thighs) and made it into a piece for his lunch.

    Sorted!….next?.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Errmmm … I don’t trust media as they are all run by zombie maggots.

    Damn you Zombie Maggots, damn you all to hell.

    chewkw
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    freeagent – Member
    what a great example to set your kids – rewarding poor attendance with a week in Greece during term time!

    You cannot expect everyone to be perfect otherwise everyone will want to grow up to become a manager, so who are going to do the dirty work eh?

    Some (majority) got to slave at the low end of the job and only a few will make it to become a proper manager.

    Drac – Moderator

    Errmmm … I don’t trust media as they are all run by zombie maggots.

    Damn you Zombie Maggots, damn you all to hell.

    There, there, you are slowly being assimilated … 😆

    crankboy
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    Neither maritime law nor the birth certificate state or stand for the citizen being owned by the state. The parent in this story must have a significant history of failing to secure his child’s education either within the school system or by homeschooling. Hard to see even on his self justification that a jolly in the Med to suit his personal convenience was the solution to the problem. So the story is feckless parent fined for child neglect nowt wrong with that.

    project
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    To me this indicates that there has been a pattern of poor attendance, and this case is not simply about a one-off family holiday.

    and to me, it indicates the school has a problem with the child as she didnt want to go to school, probably due to crap lessons, bullying or wanted a better education than they where providing, there are probably more sides to this story than a rubiks cube

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    Just as a flip side to this my son turned 14 this week. Last year he played cricket at school, district and county level, played footy for the school team who got to english schools semis and won the lancashire cup, captained badders team who are in their regional finals tomorrow.
    Whilst I think sport is very important, he missed a ton of school days last year, and the school were more than happy to let him have representative time off. Myself and missus Lad are a little concerned and will be cutting the jollies down for him this year.

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    In a world where millions of children are denied a proper education, to have the opportunity to go to school and chose not to, or to chose that for your children, is pretty shameful in my opinion. The odd day here or there or a holiday as an exception is one thing, but the word regular does suggest this is something else entirely.

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