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  • scruff
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    Looks good to me, they see me rollin’ etc…

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    Way more relevant to pirellis target road market, but they’d need to tweak something to fill the gaps between brakes and rims. Must’ve been pretty bumpy to drive too with current suspension set ups.

    hora
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    Ok heres my prediction (seeing as Im wrong once, who knows I might be right on my next prediction)..

    Alonso in a Merc for 2015

    Vettel in a Merc for 2015 or sabbatical

    Hamo in a McLaren for 2015

    jota180
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    I see the FIA have said that FRIC suspension systems have now developed so much that they could now be deemed outside of the technical regulations.
    If the teams agree to ban them from the start of next year [not going to happen] then the FIA will let it slide for this year. If they don’t, they are open to being investigated at all and any races.

    I believe Mr Horner is currently sharpening his pencil ๐Ÿ™‚

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    I see the FIA have said that FRIC suspension systems have now developed so much that they could now be deemed outside of the technical regulations.

    I believe Mr Horner is currently sharpening his pencil

    I do hope so as having one team completely dominate a season is not good for the sport; so given the dominance of Mercedes I see FIA banning FRIC from Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps) after the summer break

    Interestingly Marussia Max Chilton driver told Sky Sports News: โ€œI hear the Mercedes system is very complicated so it could affect them more.โ€

    Box of tissues for boo hoo anyone (?)

    EDIT: I do like the 18″ alloys

    jota180
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    The Merc has so much speed advantage that I don’t think they’d lose too much lap time over the other big teams, tyre wear is going to be where there could be some issues for them.

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    Scarbs doesn’t reckon banning FRIC will upset the top end order much I’m afraid. Guess we’ll see.

    mashiehood
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    Hora – IMHO i dont think there will be any driver changes for 2015.

    andyl
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    There is no way Alonso and Vettel will drive for the same team.

    Hamilton would be silly to go back to McLaren, Williams would be a better but but a big risk. Redbull a possibility if Vettel leaves, which I doubt. They are having a bad year, they will be back. McLaren possibly not back to form until 2016.

    Alonso will only jump ship if he has a guaranteed best car to go to. Mercedes is a possibility if the new suspension rules don’t mess them up but I can’t see it happening with Hamilton there.

    18″ wheels are silly. 18″ wheels on road cars are silly too.

    That said there are technical advantages to tyre makers from a lower profile tyre and it does mean they can fit bigger brake discs. I can see them using the move to allow them to ban carbon brakes though and go back to larger steel discs which will affect the weight a lot so I hope not. We could see more reliable brakes though which will be a good thing.

    I do wonder if a 16″ wheel would be a better compromise and not look so chavvy.

    mashiehood
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    Hamilton will finish his contract with Mercedes next year and drive for Ferrari in 2016. Vettel will replace him in Mercedes for an all German line-up.

    Alonso will either win his third with Ferrari next year or leave mid-season next year after having a big bust-up, there will be no more waiting. He will end up at Le Mans in 2016.

    Williams to start being contenders with Bottas next year.

    andyl
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    I was wondering about Button going to Williams. I could see Alonso heading there though if Bottas starts spanking him regularly.

    I’m not an Alonso fan but until the radio whining about Vettel he was doing a cracking job on sunday.

    Premier Icon the-muffin-man
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    I think Button will be out of F1 at the end of this year. Lotus may be an option if Pasties money dries up (due to politics in Venezuela) – but other than that I can’t see where he’d go. His only saving grace could be if Honda see him as an experienced development driver.

    Top teams – all will remain the same IMO.

    jota180
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    I was wondering about Button going to Williams.

    Now my take on the Button situation is he’ll stay at Mcl
    He’s big in Japan [very big] and with Honda coming onboard, they may prefer him? – I dunno

    as an aside, do Williams still own any of JBs contract?

    andyl
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    yeah that is my other thought.

    He could quite easily be classed along with Ricardo Patrese, David Couthard, Webber, Massa etc – ie good drivers but either overshadowed when on form by a team number one or just not good enough. But unlike those he does have a world championship to his name.

    He should be doing better and I hope he stays as he’s a nice guy to have in F1. He just needs to get some 1st places quickly and stop being, admittedly near the top, of the ‘also rans’.

    jota180
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    The problem at McLaren – apart from the so so car – is they haven’t got a talented charger [like Bottas] to go with Button’s methodical approach.
    No doubt they hoped MAG would fill that role, he may still but he’s either being held back – possibly by team pressure not to bin it etc. – or he hasn’t got it. He has loads of speed just lacks other stuff.

    If McL were to announce Button and Vandoorne for 2015, I wouldn’t be suprised.

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    I do wonder if a 16″ wheel would be a better compromise and not look so chavvy

    16″ wheels could be the answer and become the 650B of F1

    Now there’s an idea we could have 3 different wheel sizes, 13″, 16″ and 18″ and two tyre manufactures ๐Ÿ˜ฏ with regulations to run both tubes and tubless

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    Jenson-san will be staying firmly put at Mclaren for 2015.

    I don’t think we will see any driver moves for 2015 either.

    Alonso has too good a thing going at Ferrari, he almost runs the team. He isn’t going to give that up unless he knows he is getting a quicker car. that means Mercedes and Hamilton and Rosberg aren’t going anywhere.

    Same situation with Vettel.

    I’m sure Mclaren would like to tempt one of the top drivers into the car but with the 2015 Honda engine being an unknown quantity (i’m sure it will be awesome) I don’t think we will see any moves in the top teams until 2016

    Premier Icon the-muffin-man
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    I know it’s early days, but it looks like the FRICs ban has affected Mercedes more than the other teams (as people predicted). Ricciardo only a tenth down in second practice.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115005

    And a great effort from Susie Wolff this morning to be only 2 tenths off Massa’s time.

    Premier Icon the-muffin-man
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    I wonder if Christian Horner will have to eat a large dose of Renault humble pie in coming weeks!?

    After all his whinging and moaning at Renault, it’s looking like it was the Mercedes FRICs system that was it’s main advantage and not the Mercedes engine alone.

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    well if quali is anything to go by… off the pace by a second, not 10ths. It is this race where the FRICs rule change starts isn’t it?

    Ouch at that spack in to the tyre wall in Q1.

    jota180
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    The bulls were about 0.07/km faster Vs Merc than they were at Silverstone

    As you were then, nothing changed at the top of the pecking order

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    It’s rare that one change to something widely used affects the order that much eg. All the flexi wing stuff with rb was a red herring. Tyres last year were a bit of an exception and then there are things like mass dampers and dual chassis that were only really developed by one team.

    Lewis will probably be sneaking a bit of sugar into Nico’s gearbox oil again…

    jota180
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    Looks like Hamilton will have to start from the pit lane unless Merc can persuade the FIA that they need to change to CI discs purely as a safety measure.
    TBH starting from the pit lane is probably better than mid pack in amongst the desperate and crazy in damp conditions

    Junkyard
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    Odd that Hamilton has a disproportionate amount of mechanicals than the german fella at the german team.

    stoffel
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    Odd that Hamilton has a disproportionate amount of mechanicals than the german fella at the german team.

    Odd that Nico suffered a strange failure whilst in the lead at the British GP, with British driver Lewis Hamilton behind him, in a British based team car… ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    This is a very exciting race, lots of overtaking makes all the difference. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Not sure whether to stick with the GP or flick over to the TdF…

    Junkyard
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    stoffel I like the cut of your Jib

    back2basics
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    Lewis bemoans his luck, how soon he forgets British gp, what an arse…
    He should be over the moon he has such a superior car to the make up for his continuous mistakes all this year, qualy, not nursing car when he should,out breaking himself, he would be so many points in front, nico would be the one under pressure and he could afford a few car issues…
    the team must think what the hell does this guy need to not make him so miserable, put his frikin pet Chiwawa as a teammate!!!
    nico just smiles, shrugs his shoulders and gets on with it on the track

    johndoh
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    Mistakes? His DNFs have been machanical yes? Not driver error.

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    Lewis bemoans his luck, how soon he forgets British gp, what an arse…
    He should be over the moon he has such a superior car to the make up for his continuous mistakes all this year, qualy, not nursing car when he should,out breaking himself, he would be so many points in front, nico would be the one under pressure and he could afford a few car issues…
    the team must think what the hell does this guy need to not make him so miserable, put his frikin pet Chiwawa as a teammate!!!
    nico just smiles, shrugs his shoulders and gets on with it on the track

    What races have you been watching? Granted he has made some mistakes but all his DNF’s have been technical issues with the car and not his fault.

    Also, I’m pretty sure Nico’s face was tripping him when Lewis went on his winning spree

    retro83
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    What a race! Shame we didn’t get a safety car or it might have been a different result.

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    I can see Hamilton leaving for another team ….. I can’t see him beating Rosberg this year

    chewkw
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    Keke Rosberg won!

    Well done to Keke. ๐Ÿ˜†

    stoffel
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    A lot of people, Lewis included, believed he would be significantly better than Nico,and that Lewis would be no 1. Nico has proven to be a lot better than people gave him credit for, and is up there on merit. If it were not for bad luck in the British GP, he’d be even forther infront. As mentioned; Lewis moans, while Nico just gets on with thngs. Maybe Leiws, for all his speed and ability, just isn’t as good as he thinks he is.

    I remember people also saying that Kimi would be better than Fernando. In fact, you couldbuy t-shirts proclaiming ‘Fernando; Kimi is quicker than you’. How foolish they must feel now; qualis 9-2, races 11-0 to Fernando. ๐Ÿ˜† It’s h=just a shame He and Vettel are in such relatively poor cars this year, hopefully next year will be a lot more even. At least we have two very evenly matched drivers at Mercedes to offer a respte to the procession.

    back2basics
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    One of Lewis’s dnf was because he didn’t drop back and cool his brakes after the team told him to, nico had exact same problem and he finished,
    how many more examples of this do we need to see to show Lewis is just not as a complete driver as he thinks he is and he thinks he should be treated as
    mentally he is going to be crushed if nico takes this title
    he will not let himself comprehend that he is being beaten and so blames ‘luck’ and team issues and strategy rather than his mistakes on qualifying , race strategy
    so he will head off again running away to another team hoping they will pander to him and male him no.1 with no questions.

    chewkw
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    stoffel – Member
    I remember people also saying that Kimi would be better than Fernando. In fact, you couldbuy t-shirts proclaiming ‘Fernando; Kimi is quicker than you’.

    I prefer Kimi for they way he makes me laugh in typical Finnish style. i.e. leave me alone I can deal with it …

    Just like my Finnish housemate long time ago …

    ๐Ÿ˜†

    retro83
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    stoffel – Member
    A lot of people, Lewis included, believed he would be significantly better than Nico,and that Lewis would be no 1. Nico has proven to be a lot better than people gave him credit for, and is up there on merit. If it were not for bad luck in the British GP, he’d be even forther infront. As mentioned; Lewis moans, while Nico just gets on with thngs. Maybe Leiws, for all his speed and ability, just isn’t as good as he thinks he is.

    Having raced with Nico since they were 14 years old, I’m sure he knows exactly how good he is ๐Ÿ˜‰

    As for the bad luck in the British, how about Lewis’ bad luck at Australia, Canada and today in Germany?

    Exclude the races where one or other has DNF or and the results are:

    Malaysia – Lewis
    Bahrain – Lewis
    China – Lewis
    Spain – Lewis
    Monaco – Rosberg (Nico’s qualy ‘mishap’ which prevented Ham setting a time – but he should have gone out earlier)
    Austria – Rosberg (Hami mistake in qualy, started from 9th and was gaining on Nico but ran out of laps)

    Lewis has the edge, without the DNFs personally I think he’d have a clear lead in the DC.

    back2basics
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    fixed for you

    Bahrain – Lewis (Rosberg let Lewis win after Lewis made outrageous and dangerous overtaking and defending moves against his team mate with the potential of taking them both out of the GP)

    China – Lewis – you dont count losing telemetry and radio/data issues on Nico’s car causing a bad start and strategy pit stop problems as bad luck then?

    Spanish GP – Lewis (Rosberg was gaining on Lewis but ran out of 1 lap)
    Austria – Rosberg (Nico managed the gap to lewis without stressing the car for the following raceS)

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    Good race yesterday.

    No one storms through a field like Lewis Hamilton, impressive stuff.

    The slightly odd decision not to deploy a safety car after Sutil left his Sauber stranded in the middle of the pit straight denied us all a much closer battle for the podium places though.

    Danny Ricciardo continues to impress too. That was a very impressive recovery drive in a car with really poor straight line speed

    andyl
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    That race was like a video game!

    Car rolling over on the first corner, lots of minor contact during ballsy overtaking, exciting wheel to wheel racing and 3 cars going into a hairpin at the same time.

    Excellent ๐Ÿ™‚

    No matter what you say about Hamiltons attitude you can’t deny he drove his ass off yesterday and pretty much no one was going to be able to keep him behind them for long. Just a shame he didn’t use a bit more restraint when passing button.

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