- the day the immigrants left bbc1
I liked the suggestion of the two factory workers that these hardworking immigrants are making a positive contribution to Britain yet we should expect jobs to be given to the terminally lazy just because they're British.
My wife and I agreed that if we were the parents of that 26 year old we'd have kicked him out years ago, spoilt waste of space (he's only a couple of years younger than me)Posted 8 years agoPhilbyMember
Selective use of a very small group of people in a very seasonal low wage industry does not infer what the BBC is trying to suggest i.e. British unemployed are idle and Europeans are not. There are good and bad, intelligent and not so intelligent, hard-working and lazy in all countries.
Probably like most of the Brits who have moved abroad to work, the Eastern Europeans have made a conscious decision to work here for economic reasons – and most are excellent and conscientious at what they are doing IME, and we should welcome them unreservedly.
What's more appalling is that only Britain, Eire and Sweden have given the people from the EU's new Accession states the right to work in their country – surely a more legitimate programme is why the likes of Germany, France, Belgium, Italy et al are flouting the spirit, if not the law, of the EU which allows free movement of labour and trade.Posted 8 years agoHoratioHufnagelMember
i did lots of unskilled temping and summer jobs in my student days, e.g. washing up in a kitchen canteen (13 hours a day!!) or putting stuff in envelopes and filing all day and i saw none of this laziness depicted on the beeb!
Seem to be comparing the worst of our society with people who are genuinely trying to better themselves from other countries.
i bet theres the same distribution of idiots in every country.Posted 8 years agowwaswasSubscriber
I think the point of thios program was they were all people who were saying "Just give me a chance and I'll prove I can do a good job".
The casual racisim of the two potato blokes on their first day was incredible "Have you thought about going back to your own country?". And then saying "Well everyone has a bad day" when it wss pointed out they couldn't count to 12 with any degree of accuracy. They did seem to turn it around a bit later on though.
Ans I expect that if you spoke to any of them this morning they'd all be saying it wasn't their fault that they failed and they'd still blame foreigners for taking the job they were entitled to.Posted 8 years agoflippinhecklerMember
Didn't watch it, but my partner did, she said it was very embarrassing for the British, and admired the foreign workers for how hard they work, told me about the Asparagus farmer who said he wouldn't have a business if it wasn't for the immigrant workers who could earn up to £170 per day, left to the British they could only manage £40 a day and the farmer would have to subsidise them to bring them up to minimum wage! Will have to watch it now on iplayer.Posted 8 years agoWiredchopsMember
Heard an interesting point made by an American Sociologist on yesterday's today programme. He pointed out that the comparison was a bit skewed. Firstly our political classes have sold the dream of aspiration to a voter base in order to get in to office, but the dead end jobs remain. The immigrants who come over see the work as a stop-gap solution to getting some income together to go on to do better things (study, get your own business etc. etc.) very much like the British student workers an earlier poster referred to. It's not a fair comparison to pull in a group of working class people who are expected to see this work as something they'll have to do day in day out for the rest of their lives. I'm not saying they have to consign themselves to that but that is the perspective (and requirement) if we aren't going to use seasonal immigrant labour to fill our job gaps.
In the immortal words of a wise man 'the lesson is, never try'
Si CPosted 8 years agosoulwoodSubscriber
I watched this program and initially drew the same conclusion that Brits are lazy, but as said on here, its a poor comparison. People who are prepared to travel to another country to work are bound to more focused. There are likely to be lazy 26 yr old work shy people in Eastern Europe, we never see them because they could never gather themselves together to travel. I'm all for this Eastern Europe workforce anyway, my sister in law is Polish and has made me an Uncle!Posted 8 years agoCaptJonMember
I agree with the poor comparison argument. The point of the show was to challenge the hypothesis that Eastern Europeans are taking jobs from British people. In these terms the BBC proved it false as the case studies showed the people put into jobs didn't want to do them, couldn't do them, were unreliable, or, given time, would be able to do them.
There are a number of problems with this approach, not least the sample size and the fact they got the people to do a job for only two days! Moreover, the point highlighted by Wiredchops is crucial, and relates to a point Evan Davis made right at the end of the programme: more needs to be done to educate the unemployed and remove social and institutional barriers stopping them from working. A programme about those latter issues would be much more useful.Posted 8 years agoNorthernStarMember
Still can't believe we're having to pay our taxes to support these types of long term wasters!
At the end of the day it's all the fault of the benefits system.
The foreign workers should be applauded for coming over here and working so hard since at the end of the day, I'm sure that the Polish don't enjoy packing potatoes any more than the rest of us would.
Sure everyone falls on hard times occasionally and might end up unemployed, but I'm sure most of us would do any job if it meant keeping food on the table. The difference is that these idiots have got so used to living on our permanent hand outs that's it's impossible for them to get motivated.
As one of them said in his own words – "Sure I'd love to get a job but I'm concerned that my benefits might be affected".
Says it all really!Posted 8 years agoflippinhecklerMember
A lot of the work is seasonal not long term so why cant these dead heads knuckle down like the foreign workers, as its not forever and it will give them some dignity and purpose as well as an introduction to work, better than hanging around on a street corner, but the need to change the Psyche of these work shy lot before they get work.Posted 8 years agotakisawa2Subscriber
I left school with **** all qualifications. Had a succession of crap jobs of a similar vein to those last night, but that gave me the incentive to work harder to get on. Surely thats how it works. My Brother-in-law started in one of those food packing places about 6yrs ago, he now manages the place on £30k+. He's not got a single GCSE to his name.Posted 8 years ago
The Government have had to resort to allowing in hordes of low paid (but still tax paying) workers in order to help pay for that load of free-loading thick idle trash on the Beeb last night. The Eastern European workers we have work bloody damned hard, are always willing to put themselves out, & I'd don't begrudge them being here one bit.
The aforementioned load of free-loaders should be put to work sorting recycling, picking litter etc. Grrr.wwaswasSubscriber
I think the fact that Lithuania has 23% unemployment and an inadequate social welfare system might explain the attraction of coming over here to work.
I've voted labour since I turned 18 in 1984 but everytime I see kids like that 26 year old layabout I think '**** it, why am I working to support people like that?" and feel all right wing and anti-state benefits.Posted 8 years agomolgripsSubscriber
Had a succession of crap jobs of a similar vein to those last night, but that gave me the incentive to work harder to get on. Surely thats how it works.
Only if you are lucky enough to be born with the wits to do it. A lot of stupid people out there, is it their fault they are stupid?
The reason you are paying taxes to support workshy scum is that you are also paying taxes to support honest decent people who've fallen on hard times. The civil service has not yet found a way to differentiate between the two; it is morally better to help both the deserving and undeserving than it is to punish them both.Posted 8 years agostarsevenMember
Could be, me and TV aren't that familiar anymore.
I know this sort of stuff exists but to my mind it was better suited to some mid table sky channel than prime time BBC1.
It really was a documentary for dummies.
As for the content well it was so predictable. A layabout mummies boy, a couple of oafs and a sprinkeling of chav etc etc..so set up.
The boy in the curry house was genuinly hard done by, displaying willing but lacking skill on his first day, what should be expected?
I would like to put the owner of the curry house and the film production staff in a machine shop or research laboratory then laugh at their incompetence or even film it for additional humiliation.Posted 8 years agoglynPMember
My mate lost his job last year at the age of 52, he has never been unemployed before. He was treated like scum at the social even although he has paid his taxes for all those years. He was given 9 weeks to get a job or his benifits were to stop. He was livid, when he asked do the long term unemployed get treated like this he was told it was none of his business. They kept picking on my mate because they new that he would look for a job and take anything going, the whole system is shit, when is a polititian going to have enough balls to say it like it actually is. Humph!Posted 8 years ago
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