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  • The Cymru MTB Classic, New for 2022
  • Premier Icon identitizombie
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    New for 2022, the Cymru MTB classic is a multi-day stage race for teams of two. This event will be the UK’s first qualifier for the Absa Cape Epic. Se …

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    Premier Icon johnnystorm
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    “Racing on bridleways” and “how much?!” are my first thoughts.

    Premier Icon dickyhepburn
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    900 notes for 150km riding, so £6/km. better be some pretty f’ing special trail or it’s a no from me

    Premier Icon schmiken
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    I’m pretty keen!

    And being picky, it actually works out at £3 per km as £900 is for a pair!

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    better be some pretty f’ing special trail or it’s a no from me

    Dyfi BP and CyB for a fair chunk, it looks like. Hopefully off piste rather than timing you down the Addams Family alongside the general public.

    I was expecting some accommodation for that dosh, maybe your own tent a la BC Bike Race, but apparently not.

    Premier Icon sillyoldman
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    Is there a reason for the comments being invisible?

    Premier Icon johnnystorm
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    @sillyoldman

    For me it’s my phone going into dark-mode at night. I switched it off and can read again! 🤣

    (It’s fine in the forum, it’s under the news item it vanishes)

    Premier Icon sillyoldman
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    Ah – cheers. Weirdly it’s fine on my phone but not on the iPad. I’d assumed they were trying to mask the multitude of “HOW MUCH???” comments. 🤣

    Premier Icon Garry_Lager
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    Stages aren’t much more than XCO distance so will mean furious racing at the sharp end, which I guess is the draw if you’re fast.

    If you’re not then it seems like a tough sell but at least the format is fitness accessible.

    Premier Icon vdubber67
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    I’m delighted to see someone trying to bring more stage racing to the UK, but for me that’s silly money, especially as accommodation etc is extra.

    For that sort of money I’d be looking at going to Poland again to do Sudety / Beskidy, which I reckon you could do for less money, including flights and the hotel upgrade.

    Also the distances are way too short each day. At race pace you’ll only be out for about 3 hours!

    🙁

    Premier Icon chipps
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    We’re hopefully fixing the dark mode issue… 🙂
    I did note that you could do that 1800km Silk Road race for similar money. There’s no accommodation there either, but at least your £/km is going to be a bit better…

    Premier Icon rexated
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    I was interested too….until I saw the cost. You could do a longer stage race abroad (as Chipps says) for that kind of money. So, £150 a day each – for not much more in terms of facilities than a Scott MTB Marathon type sportive race that comes in around £40 for the day. Blimey.

    It’s pity as it would be really good to see this kind of thing in the UK.

    Premier Icon stanley
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    That entry fee is ridiculous. Profiteering at its worst.

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    I’m delighted to see someone trying to bring more stage racing to the UK, but for me that’s silly money, especially as accommodation etc is extra.

    +1. At the minimum a tented option should be included.

    Premier Icon mrhoppy
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    How many times has someone tried to get something like this going?

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    for not much more in terms of facilities than a Scott MTB Marathon type sportive race that comes in around £40 for the day. Blimey.

    Plus all three stages are basically half-day rides, even at my very mediocre pace. The Scott Marathons are more like 70km.

    Premier Icon vdubber67
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    mrhoppy – Trans Wales did this very well over the years. I did it three times and it always seemed like good value for money…

    Premier Icon tthew
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    What a shame it costs so much, I’d have been bang up for that and I reckon a lot of my riding mates would too.

    Premier Icon Straightliner
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    All of the Epic events are expensive nowadays, they’ve built their brand up (now owned by IronMan I think) and they’re premium cost events but do come with good organisation and supporting care. Like many have pointed out, the pricing without accommodation seems odd – I’d assumed camping would have been the default for the event and included in that price.

    As someone else points out above, stage racing events have been tried in the UK and seem to struggle. Part of that is the inability to race on anything that is not “private” land, and bridleways can only be connecting routes. Then you have to factor in scale – many trails can’t cope with large numbers of riders, whereas events would be more cost effective if you were able to host several hundred riders rather than 100 or less. And then general labour costs to help set up race villages (particularly if they move during the event) are also higher than other locations.

    I really hope it’s a success and paves the way for more similar events. The UK has many great areas for riding and it would be lovely for many people to be able to race in new locations.

    Premier Icon sbtouring
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    Looks like it could be fun, I’d love to do some mtb stage racing. But why the hell do they make these events where you have to do it in pairs? Why can’t they do a solo category?

    Imagine spending all that money then you or your racing partner is much stronger or weaker than you, you’d feel like either you are letting them down or they are letting you down. Or worse still, if one of you fails to finish or crashes out, it’s game over for the other one. All that money down the drain.

    I’ve done 2up time trialling, where I’ve had a difference in ability and it feels like a waste of money and time for those races, and that’s only £10 to £15 to race, so would hate to spend all that money for this race and feel the same way.

    I know the logistics and costs of putting on a stage race must be a lot so don’t really begrudge the very high cost. It’s actually great events like this are getting put on. So the organisers need recognition for putting on the event, but for me the pairs thing means it’s not something I’d do.

    Premier Icon Straightliner
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    @vdubber67 – did you ride the 2008 Trans Wales? While it had some great routes for riding, the poor organisation and management of the race village in (not unpredictable) inclement conditions wasn’t ideal. I’d hazard a guess that the Cymru MTB classic will have considerably better organisation for supporting, managing and feeding the riders during the event. Price per rider is similar, albeit it is for fewer days.


    @sbtouring
    – for their longer events, the pairs thing is a good idea as you are able to motivate each other as when one rider is suffering, the other tends to be in a better state. Apart from at the very sharp end of the race, losing a partner doesn’t prevent you finishing and they will also attempt to partner you up with other spare riders of a similar ability if you lose your own. I do agree that it means you need to find a partner with a similar outlook and expectation, but these multi-day events require some training so you should have time to work out what works for you both.

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    I think the pairs thing might actually reduce their insurance costs. I’ve done races as a single but for whatever environmental conditions at times we’ve been told to stay in groups. One instance was reports of a mountain lion in the area. Just a guess though..

    Premier Icon vdubber67
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    Straightliner – yeah, I did 2008, 2010 and 2011 I think.

    Whilst 2008 was indeed a tough year in terms of the weather, I don’t remember anything about the actually management of the event that I found lacking. I seem to remember getting fed and washed etc. Maybe I’m wearing some rose tinted specs though there. It wasn’t the best year tbh!

    I rode the Ritchey Trailmasters event a few years later as well (three days out from one base) – thought that was good too…

    Premier Icon sbtouring
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    @Straightliner never thought of it like that about the motivation. But like you say it’s getting a racing partner at the same level which is difficult. Those that I ride with we are all at different fitness levels. Probably most of those wouldn’t want to race, and possibly the only rider that would consider racing our fitness levels is vastly different so wouldn’t be fair on either of us.

    Premier Icon dirkpitt74
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    So nearly £2k (£1k each) if you go for the accommodation option….

    Trans Madeira is only £1500 + flights for 5 days and that includes meals, tent hotel for 1 night and 2 beers per day!!

    I know where my money would go.

    Premier Icon chevychase
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    For £899 I can do two of us, fully catered (with a lunchtime snack thrown in) in Courchevel for a week at that time of the year, including the lift passes, transfers and the flights there.

    Premier Icon Twodogs
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    While mountain biking has been hugely popular across the UK for years, and particularly in Wales, riders have never had the chance to take on the challenges and enjoyments that an Epic Series event presents. A fully-timed, multi-day stage race in a two-person team format on home soil.

    Never had the chance? I’m pretty sure when I did the Black Mountains 3 day event in 2011 it was a fully timed, multi day stage race in a two person format.

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    The Bearded Man you mean?

    Cracking event – did them
    both. It was a solo event & if IIRC tents were included with pricing around the £3-400 at the most.

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    It was £150 for 2 1/2 days all in. Does make £899 with no accommodation 10 yrs later for roughly the same amount of time look rather steep!

    Premier Icon deanf316
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    £899 what a cheek, nearly as much as a cheek of expecting people to buy to get full access to a website by paying a annual fee so they can just re-post u tube videos you can watch for free.

    Premier Icon malv173
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    reports of a mountain lion in the area.

    Not many mountain lions in Wales, from what I’ve read! But it seems reasonable that it would reduce insurance costs, having someone to look after their partner and call for assistance if something bad happens.

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    Not many mountain lions in Wales

    Oh I don’t know – it’s got it’s fair share of cougars..

    Premier Icon hodge1365
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    How much was my first thought, then lets do something similar for less….great idea but too much dosh…

    Premier Icon sillyoldman
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    Looks like a steal compared to this:-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57975285

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