Thatcher's died according to BBC

STW is hardly on the social pulse of the nation.

I think a lot of the animosity is due to her being a woman….bizarre as that sounds i dont think the people whose lives she affected in a detrimental way like the fact it was done to them by a woman of all people.

Those hardy proud northern miners didnt like a woman crushing their unions.

….add to the fact that she was right and none of her policies have been repealed by Labour governments and i should imagine it starts to smart a bit.

(Loving the pics of the street parties, i can happily say the attendees all look just as i imagined they would before i even saw the pics, like they all need a good wash, only scum like that would rejoice in someones death, it says more about them than about Thatcher).

So we can blame Maggie for everything that has gone wrong since the 2nd world war ?

The country was heading for disaster and socialist ruin before she got in, no the country was far from perfect when she left but can anyone name any subsequent PM who has had the balls to do anything for this country since? Things might not have got any worse since Thatcher, but they haven’t exactly got any better.

She had character, an opinion, and wasn’t afraid to show it. I guess that’s partly why she is so ‘liked’ today. Rather than the indecisive middle of the road PM’s we have had since, who are slowly killing the UK.

THM
She did marry a millionaire and she did embrace the establishment ansd she did a lot for one woman namely herself rather than women in general.
As for braking the mold with Tories

Edward Heath (known as “Teddy” as a young man) was born at 54 Albion Road, Broadstairs, Kent, the son of William George Heath, a carpenter and builder, and Edith Anne Heath (née Pantony), a maid.

I think a lot of the animosity is due to her being a woman….bizarre as that sounds i dont think the people whose lives she affected in a detrimental way like the fact it was done to them by a woman of all people.

Yes it is almost certainly that and not the reasons they state

Everyone who hates her is basically sexist ..jesus we cannot even get decent goading on this thread 0/10

to be fiar you got better after that but it is a bit obvious

only scum like that would rejoice in someones death, it says more about them than about Thatcher).

Oh the ironing ..it hard to take the moral high ground when calling folk scum though obviously you pulled it off

I found it ironical that the first quote from the Guardian described the reason for the party was that she embodied everything that was elitist…(and)…and presided over a class war.

I don’t think there is anything ironical about that, its a well known fact that she married into great wealth despite coming from more humble origins, and she served the British elite very well.

Likewise it’s never surprised me that those from working-class backgrounds within the Tory Party are among the most right-wing and reactionary, while those from more affluent backgrounds tend to feel more compassionate and secure.

Still can’t quite get over the amount of people on here that are “shocked and disgusted” by some of the less than positive comments. What did you expect? Christ, you ought to spend a bit of time around here, maybe get a feel for what her policies really did to the people and the communities. Reading some of the “pro” comments took me right back to the 80’s – apparently, it was ok to close down the pit villages as they were “going nowhere fast”. Really? That makes sense to some of you, does it? I’m glad the right honourable bitchcow’s dead, shame it didn’t happen in 84.

Loving the pics of the street parties, i can happily say the attendees all look just as i imagined they would before i even saw the pics, like they all need a good wash…

And the fact that the vast majority of attendees appear to have not even been born when she was PM 😕

Some sad thoughts today when I heard the news and remembered living through her era.

I didn’t hate the woman,she was only the face.

It took a very determined and driven bunch ,to put in place the poison
that now festers and rots parts of UK society today,and I can’t see any rescue party on the horizon,that’s the bit I hate.

Where’d that horsey Aztec chap get to?

Still can’t quite get over the amount of people on here that are “shocked and disgusted” by some of the less than positive comments. What did you expect?

Dignified silence?

Perhaps some posts from her detractors that they didnt like her policies but condolences to the family?

You know, ordinary decent stuff.

What like calling folk scum and saying they were sexist – can i negatively mark you yet 🙄
PS could you lead by example especially the silence bit 😉
yes that was what I noticed ratty

Barnsleymitch your right that’s why private companies are rushing to reopen mines today, because they would make sooo much money.

Ok so national coal should have kept going at no matter what cost, doesn’t matter that its not profitable does it, and costs the state millions/billions, so long as people are still in work.

apparently, it was ok to close down the pit villages as they were “going nowhere fast”. Really? That makes sense to some of you, does it?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Stigma+of+category+D%3B+Mention+of+the+County+Development+Plan+of+the…-a0319503610

well the alternative of dole for decades turned out to be both cheap and without costs bothe conomic and social
Govt exists to make life better for it is citizens not just to make money like a business does
Would you like to argue life has been better for those areas
TBH i dont think we even saved any money either over the long term

the sanctimonious bleatings of the thatcher apologists are to be expected– if any of you people who say they are ‘shocked’-‘disappointed’ with the reactions of those of us who are celebrating a class enemy– yes read that again– it was class war with her– what you sow , so shall you reap —biblical i know but apt in her case.

Ah well, that’s where I start to struggle deviant. Trouble is, I was one of those awful northern types, and a miner, when your beloved Maggie was in power. I never heard any condolences or apologies for the shit she created around here, so there’ll be none in return.

what makes me puke are the happy clappy, all-inclusive, caring sharing socialists who can turn on the venom when it suits them….hypocrites of the highest order.

pfffffffft 😀 😆

god forbid a human being with more than one dimension.. utterly abhorrent.. 😆

nahhh… **** that, I had a thought once, that’s enough for me.. I’m pleased with that and I’m sticking to it

hypocritical…? what nonsense

Barnsleymitch so you still think you would be mining today and making a profit, if it wasn’t for Thatcher?

Get real.

what makes me laugh is all those right wing nut jobs who think this country is ‘great’ as a result of 33 years of free market vandalism– reckon after the NHS they’ll be down to flogging off the Royals–better hurry with that as well , assets are getting on a bit ….

I love you lot, the entrenched attitudes on both sides, the anger, the vindictive joy at the death of another, the hypocrisy of normally the most PC right on types spewing hatred that would make a neo-nazi proud.

all I can say is thank you. You have completely reinforced my world view and if if any of the hate-mongers ever try and correct someone else’s behaviour they find offensive after todays little display, they can all well and truly get stuffed. 😀

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StefMcDef » .
There’s a huge disconnect between the popular reaction, anecdotally and as far as one can gauge it from social media, not least on this thread,

STW is hardly on the social pulse of the nation.

Who said it was? But the diversity of opinion on this thread seems a bit nearer the pulse of the nation than the grotesque hagiography under way in the mainstream media. I could count on the fingers of one foot the number of people I’ve seen on facebook or twitter or any other outlet saying “Gor’bless ‘er and what she done for us all.”

I realise there’s a natural tendency not to speak ill of the recently deceased but the figure being airbrushed into sainthood in the media is not the brutal and amoral ideologue I remember.

aye the only way to turn a coin is gamble with other peoples money– nd get paid handsomely to do so– oh bow to the wealth ‘creators’ –they must all think we have fluff hanging out of our backs….

Barnsleymitch your right that’s why private companies are rushing to reopen mines today, because they would make sooo much money.

Like nuclear energy, coal needs to be subsidised. Not an option that the UK made under Thatcher but which other countries did make. Which explains why private companies aren’t rushing to reopen mines.

If you pulled government subsidy of the railways the private companies would pack up and we would have no railways. Unsurprisingly.

IIRC British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world apart from South Africa.

EU plans ‘transition subsidies’ for coal sector

“The EU executive expects coal subsidies to reach €3.2bn in 2020”

what is good about these events it brings peoples true colours out– good to know thy foes…

funerals always make the best parties 😀

I reckon you need to be a bit more careful about packing folk into neat little boxes perhaps Taz..?

you have foes?

yes the subsidy to nuclear industry is colossal –and provides huge returns to a realativly smallnumber–and those pesky workers have no say in the business….

Funkydunc – don’t insult my intelligence, please. The pits were never going to last forever, I think we’re all aware of that. It was the relish with which her government took on the miners, and the absolute lack of any compassion for the damage caused that did me. We were treated as less than worthless, and that still bothers me today. Real enough for you?

good to know thy foes…

there are no foes, we’re all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

making a profit

Ah, thatchers Britain. The only thing that mattered.

I reckon you need to be a bit more careful about packing folk into neat little boxes perhaps Taz..?

there is only 1 big box yunki and I hate you all. 😀

there are no foes, we’re all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

Change does not only occur out of positive actions.

😛

we’re all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

Indeed, get out there, earn a crust and enjoy life….or just moan about the inequalities of it all and blame the ‘rich’ for everything.

Change does not only occur

we’re gone in a blink of an eye, do the grandest schemes and ideals of past kings and princes still hold sway? no! it’s all pointless, we do not control our destiny, all is chaos and always will be

and as humans or “civilisation” you show me any improvement in the comments and behaviour displayed today to that of folk revelling in death and torture of the enemies of the people in the French revolution or the Colosseum in Rome. Humanity does not change

Indeed, get out there, earn a crust and enjoy life….or just moan about the inequalities of it all and blame the ‘rich’ for everything.

😆

You do live in the UK right?

the sanctimonious bleatings of the thatcher apologists are to be expected

Have you labelled everyone who finds celebrating the death of an old lady distasteful a “Thatcher Apologist” then ?

Or is it just easier to dismiss what they have said if you pretend that’s what they are.

Have you labelled everyone who finds celebrating the death of an old lady distasteful a “Thatcher Apologist” then ?

selective quoting , an old trick but not very good– you need to consider the whole post– i was trying to explain my/others reactions and the context in which they have been formed and developed–but i guess you knew that…

Interesting thread. It seems to me to be about 2 different types of people. Those that are interested in self-interest, accumualting stuff and selfishness. and others who see things as Thoughtfulness, social compassion and cohesion and a whole community together type thing and not bothered about having loads of ownership of stuff.. That’s Thatchers legacy isn’t it? but all the poeple I meet in general everyday life just want to make life better despite being skint. The best thing to make things move forward would be a Living Wage. You think maggie would ever ever even let that into her braincell? The sad thing is that people that are modern workers , base level in supermarkets, aren’t knowledgeable about unions or what they are for or what they represent. In The Place where I work, they have a group voted by workers called a “colleague Voice”.. thuis is a corporate version of a union, as they do not recognise a union, it is quite meaningless, and the people you vote for are either dumb, or right up the corporate ass desperadoes. The voice of the common working man is pretty hollow and vacant, because of thatcher.

I hope everyone gets over this soon. I’m being kept awake by a police helicopter circling over, I presume, this bunch of clowns