That Bloody Orange 4!
Bottle mounts are key to a trail bike like that..
I’d say geometry, build kit, reliability etc are key to a trail bike like that. Bottle mounts are a nice addition. Had a Five now got a Rallon, both without bottle mounts. It’s a slight inconvenience but there are more important factors to a good bike..Posted 11 months agoKryton57Subscriber
Everytime I see it, I can’t help thinking its the perfect SE UK bike. Solid, dependable, the right travel and geo for messing about in Wales, Swinley, Peaslake and Epping to name but a few.
I find it very irritating in that respect. Also I’m interested – its “heavy” right? That RS in FGF has to be about 32lbs at least.
Anyway, looks great – but I need to go an polish my Anthem.Posted 11 months agoBeagleboySubscriber
I bought my first Orange, an Evo O2 Ltd, in 2000, after ten years or so of riding a series of Trek, Kona and Giant fully rigid bikes. Since then, I’ve owned a Patriot, two Fives, a Gringo and two P7s . The 2016 Four that I currently ride in XL/ 20inch size fits my 6 foot frame perfectly, gets a very appreciative “ooooh” from everyone who picks it up, and is far and away the most fun bike I’ve ever had the pleasure to own or ride.
C.Posted 11 months agocokieMember
Oh, you could fit spare tyres, mechs, handlebars and almost a whole bike in a pack.. if you wear one. I don’t. All my stuff goes on the bike; bottle cage and seatpack, etc. It’s a trail bike, why do you need a pack for that? It doesn’t tend to be an epic wilderness adventure, but rather a few hours singletrack in british countryside. All I need is a 500-1 liter bottle & a few spares (possibly a layer too)- not a 25 liter bag.
So for me, it’s essential. Many would agree, hence their existence. Even on the ‘enduro’ Airdrop Edit people were outraged* at the lack of mounts on the press release images.
Yes, I can’t that geometry and component choice are arguably higher up the pecking order of being essential. I never said they weren’t.
Anyway, that’s just my opinion. Wouldn’t it be boring if we were all the same..
*slight keyboard warriorismPosted 11 months agostilltortoiseSubscriber
do bottle mount users not find their bottles being shaken out of the cage on rough bits ?
Yes. I’ve ridden with bottle mount users and had to retrace our route to retrieve escaped bottles and it used to happen to me in the old days. Other people may not have this problem.Posted 11 months agoorangespydermanSubscriber
I’ve been riding since 1987 and never lost a bottle.
I’ve ridden with bottle mount users and had to retrace our route to retrieve escaped bottles
There are good bottles and good mounts and bottles that go well with certain mounts and those that don’t. A good bottle in a mount that it fits well will pretty much never jump ship involuntarily. Get it wrong and it’ll leap sideways after only a few hundred metres on the rough stuff, in my experience.Posted 11 months agoKamakazieSubscriber
Bottle & Fabric tool keg have so far been perfectly secure. That may not be the case on a hardtail though… rear suspension definitely helps keep things in place.
On topic: I like the Four but would also venture towards a Stage 5. Just wish it had the split swingarm design like the Four. Looks much better.Posted 11 months agoNorthwindSubscriber
Even if you never a bottle, a bottle cage is a great place to put lights, it’s still handy. I’ve never had a cage on my main bike but I’m still glad it can.
Thing with the is the same as the Gyro, it’s not really got much advantage over the Five, and it’s got some disadvantage. When they first launched it, the frame was a fair bit lighter than the five, but only because they had some design changes which they launched on it first. The Five has made the same changes now so it weighs almost the same.
This is just personal preference but IMO Oranges always get better the bigger they are- it just suits the design.Posted 11 months agogelertSubscriber
When it launched a standard spec full alloy Orange Four RS weighed 12.5kg without pedals. I weighed one with the shop selling it. You could easily get it lower. I only got to sit on it but the Large felt as slack as my Alpine… it isn’t (67 v 65) and can’t be but it did feel lovely because it was long too. I’ll have to ride one…tomorrow 🙂
The review of the 2017 Five – Factory on STW says it weighed 13.1kg (didn’t say if that was pedals or not).
Orange + others Demo day tomorrow for me up at Llandegla.
My 2013 Five weighs 12.2 kg no pedals but a few carbon parts. My 2014 Alpine weighs 13.3kg with alloy wheels. They’re 26 inch.
I hope they have the new 29ers on the Demo but I’m also interested to try the new longer Four, Five, and Alpine 6 too.
Orange frames don’t weigh a lot – the build on them can tot up though. They’re fine and very reliable and a lot of fun.
I’ll be trying some Santa Cruz bikes out too if I can and back to back them with the Oranges. Can’t wait.Posted 11 months agomonkeyboyjcMember
Only thing putting me off any Orange full sus would be the lack of a bottle mount…. That and the lack of funds.
A year of packless riding had converted me (especially in the summer)- all kit for my usual 3HR rides go on the bike. In the winter this means one Bottle and a tool roll, in the summer 2 bottles, a tool roll and lightweight jacket.Posted 11 months agostevedocMember
Best mate bought an ex demo from Stainland after a cheeky demo, sold his Five straight after, the four is a lot lighter so much so it’s now classed as a cheat bike. it ride so much bigger than its numbers but comes up small frame wise. The large is much to small for me at 6 foot. I think as a UK trail bike it’s fantastic and I’d take one down anything in the UK that my Alpinefive would touch. Great bike
The stage five……… SteamrollerPosted 11 months agoIdleJonSubscriber
zippykona – Member
My most common ride is a 10 mile commute . I really don’t want to be lugging a camelback around just for that.
Why would you be riding a full-sus MTB for a 10 mile commute?
And, thinking about it, why would you need a bottle for a 10 mile ride?Posted 11 months agotenfootSubscriber
I have a four on order. They must be pretty popular as I’ve been waiting 5 weeks so far. 😕
The lack of bottle mounts did put me off, but I’ve been riding a zesty for the last 6 years, so I’m used to it.
Just under 6ft, I tried a large, and thought it was perfect. The talk above of XL for 6 footers is making me nervousPosted 11 months agoprawnyMember
I’ve come to the conclusion that bottle cages aren’t that important unless you’re racing (at least for me) my last bike didn’t have bottle cage mounts so just stopped taking a drink on shorter rides, new bike has bottle mounts bit seems a bit unnecessary now.
That’s said, I’m liking the look of some of these new bottle cage/toolkit/tube jobs, quite fancy getting shot of any baggage.Posted 11 months agoorena45Subscriber
lucky7500 – Member
Had a Five now got a Rallon, both without bottle mounts. It’s a slight inconvenience but there are more important factors to a good bike..
How have you found the Rallon? I’m considering one as a change from my Spitfire
Thoughts and opinions on my blog 🙂 :
Anyway, back on topic…Love my Rallon but still have a thing for Orange bikes and would have a Four in a heartbeat if I could as a second bike/local trail smasher!Posted 11 months ago
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