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  • Texas snowmageddon!
  • Premier Icon oldnpastit
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    Have we done this?

    Every year, the Daily Express forecasts snowmageddon in the UK, and sometimes there are several flakes of snow.

    I’ve got work colleagues in Austin, Texas.

    It’s completely mad!

    He said it’s 4 degrees, I had to do some math(s) to work out that what he really meant was -15C!

    No power.

    I’m on a conference call where people are being advised on tips to survive sub-zero temperatures.

    Here’s a question that doesn’t come up on the typical Zoom call:

    “Do we know if the Austin shelters have heat and water?”

    Premier Icon oldnpastit
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    There’s no power, so no water being pumped.
    People are on a “boil your water” order.
    Mass casualties from a 120 car pile-up.

    Premier Icon richmtb
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    Yeah its a bit mental.

    Some of the power issues are apparently because the spot price for gas went so high that some of the power station operators just shut off production rather than pay.

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    Ive been following the Fox News reports of them blaming the windmills and the green new deal for all the issues, they forget to mention wind power accounts for 12% of electricity generation in Texas and the state cheaped out on not winterising their turbines so they froze up, same problem with their electricity network being a stand alone “good old Texas system” that cannot link up to other states and they cheaped out on not winterising the network, whether that be oil/gas/nuclear energy production facilities.

    Vote for absolute cretinous **** and you’ll get treated like an absolute cretinous ****,

    Texas mayor says “Get off your ass and take care of your own family, sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout” and blamed “a socialist government” for the dire situation.
    “No one owes you or your family anything; nor is it the local government’s responsibility to support you during trying times like this! Sink or swim, it’s your choice! The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING!/a>

    Opens popcorn, gets comfy……..

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    I’ve a friend in Chicago. -18’C there, with windchill it’s -35.

    Premier Icon ThePinkster
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    God bless’merca, eh?

    ‘and blamed “a socialist government” for the fire situation’

    🤣😂🤣 Doesn’t he remember the last 4 years of Trump?

    Premier Icon alpin
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    They need to start raking the snow.

    Premier Icon PJM1974
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    Not sure how one embeds a tweet in the forum but here goes – this thread had me crying in laughter.

    Premier Icon bigjim
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    quite interested in this working in wind industry in US, there’s a whole lot more to it than iced up wind turbines, quite an interesting situation with the grid and market. But unfortunately I expect the blame will get put on wind turbines and this will somehow be proof that climate change doesn’t exist…

    Premier Icon trail_rat
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    Meh was -19c here last week too… None of the modern cars started till it had warmed up a bit.

    Guess this is the downside to building houses with minimal insulation and roads out of something that when wet defies physics

    And the prepper tweets brilliant .

    Premier Icon alpin
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    ^^ read something similar yesterday.

    Ironic that all the end of days preppers, armed to the eyeballs yet don’t own a shovel.

    Premier Icon ElShalimo
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    They’re probably the same preppers who turned to protesting after 4 weeks of lockdown ‘cos they couldn’t get their hair and nails done

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    Cougar
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    I’ve a friend in Chicago. -18’C there, with windchill it’s -35.

    But it’s less unusual there. It’s -11C in Toronto, and it’s been down around that for a couple of weeks now – you kinda get used to it.
    But when it happens in the southern US all hell breaks loose!

    Premier Icon alpin
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    Just a little bit of schadenfreude kicking in.

    Wasn’t the reason for this big freeze the melting ice caps that have had an effect on polar winds?

    Premier Icon trail_rat
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    But when it happens in the southern US all hell breaks loose!

    I’ve been there when it rains….. All hell breaks loose.

    It’s quite alot like England when it gets a teeny bit of snow.

    This current weather must be like end of days to them

    Premier Icon sweaman2
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    I’m in Calgary and we hit -32C on Friday (-45 windchill). That’s headline temperatures even in Canada. However everything is designed for winter and so whilst it’s tough it’s okay. Even then a 48hour power outage would be tough.

    I have colleges in Houston who are struggling and the thing is they’re well off. To quote
    “Lost power Monday am early. House kept heat through Tuesday morning. Relocated to friends house. Now we have power again but no water. Luckily it’s raining, so I’m collecting it in buckets to use for toilets”

    So I can’t imagine what it’s like for the majority – actually scary. Have had several conversations with people about CO poisoning as it’s something they just don’t normally consider.

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    Have had several conversations with people about CO poisoning as it’s something they just don’t normally consider.

    Quite a few folk have died from lighting fires inside their house…….facepalm.

    Premier Icon PJM1974
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    quite an interesting situation with the grid and market. But unfortunately I expect the blame will get put on wind turbines and this will somehow be proof that climate change doesn’t exist

    Oh definitely – when in doubt point the finger of blame at anything that isn’t guaranteed to make far-right billionaires even richer. The really dumb folk actually believe it.

    Premier Icon jam-bo
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    I’ve a friend in Chicago. -18’C there, with windchill it’s -35.

    it’s not. It’s -18

    Premier Icon sparksmcguff
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    The issue is that Texas can’t ship power in from other states as the entire system is stand alone for Texas. Nothing to do with a shift to wind.

    Also, chip production has shut down. There was already a world shortage so if your looking to buy anything needing an embedded chip (including cars) later in the year things are going to get tight.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    The political side of it is just sad. Former governor Rick Perry, one of the people responsible for Texas’s vulnerable state, says “Texans would be without power for longer than three days to keep the federal government out of their business”. Greg Abbott, current governor Greg Abbott thinks his priority should be to go on conservative media and tell absolute lies about wind power and to attack the green new deal.

    And it is all just politics. It’s not about renewables, or even really about grids, it’s about, well… sovereignty, I guess. Blue toes instead of blue passports though but literally all they need is adequate interconnects. But then they’d have to allow federal “interference” which seems to mostly be objectionable because it’d stop their utilities companies profiteering and rubbing infrastructure to the point of collapse.

    (it’s a sideline really but the reported “offline” renewables number is pretty misleading, because a chunk of the texas renewables generation isn’t expected to be contributing to the winter capacity. So that part isn’t “offline because of the snow” any more than my summer riding tops are offline because of snow. Texas has enormous summer energy demands because of the heat. But only 6gw was actually expected to be generated by renewables at the moment- the “16gw offline” stat ignores that completely

    Though the reason I say it’s a sideline is that it doesn’t matter if it’s 6gw or 16gw, because 30gw of nonrenwables were offline. So it doesn’t really matter whether it’s twice, or five times as much, either way the bulk of the shortfall is because of nonrenewables and because of intentioanlly poor infrastructure

    Meanwhile El Paso is unaffected by the blackouts because they’re in the Western US grid and because that’s just an OBVIOUSLY GOOD IDEA.

    Premier Icon sparksmcguff
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    @northwind 👍 think that’s a fair and balanced analysis of the situation.
    Love the “blue toes”.
    Got family in Texas and I really hope they’re ok. But given their liberal Jewish background I’m always surprised how narrow minded they are.

    Premier Icon scuttler
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    Ignorant about the Texas situation but holy shit if what Northwind says is true (don’t doubt) then sort your own shit out guys…

    Love the prepper story particularly the bit where prepper’s bro says he can’t laugh when his mum relays this.

    I remember in my ignorant days asking why an odd place like Edmonton had the world’s biggest mall with a roller coaster inside…

    Premier Icon tonyg2003
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    Talking to some of my colleagues in Houston today. It’s a mess for what should be a high tech society. However as people above say it’s a isolated and highly unregulated energy industry In Texas that due to the cut throat competition doesn’t invest properly in infrastructure. What a mess. As ever it will be the poor that will suffer without heating and water.

    Premier Icon LAT
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    it was -37 in whitehorse, YT last week. -7 today.

    i used to live in Huston, texas. every year the city would flood and every year people would drown after driving into flooded underpasses and tunnels and every year the news would describe the flooding as once in a lifetime and unprecedented and every year people would believe it.

    Houston is an absolute dump.

    Premier Icon LAT
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    Quite a few folk have died from lighting fires inside their house…….facepalm.

    as in, a camp fire in their living room? gosh

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    Here’s the tweet from “ex” mayor Tim Floyd of Colorado City Texas

    Premier Icon ElShalimo
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    A lot of homes there are wood frame construction with minimal insulation, single glazed, very lightweight cheap structures. They are built to cope with the heat but Texas often has very cold spells albeit not this bad.

    Austin is usually the worst affected. Houston is much closer to the sea so hurricane risk and inland flooding is their biggest problem. Dallas can get cold too but more like the cold spells we have in England.

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    Joe Rogan just moved to Austin after calling out the Californian government for running an inept state (nah, he didn’t want to pay tax on his meagre wealth), guess he’ll be moving again.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    A contact on a cycling page has posted some pictures from San Antonio. I’m particularly impressed by a photo of an outside tap that has just completely sheared off!

    Premier Icon thegeneralist
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    I’ve a friend in Chicago. -18’C there, with windchill it’s -35.

    Sigh 🤨 Does your friend live outside?
    With no clothes on?

    Otherwise, this:

    it’s not. It’s -18

    I’ll just paste this from a poster on UKC:

    My original ranty facebook post was as follows “one always has to quibble over windchill because its a pretty pointless figure mainly beloved by lazy tabloid headline writers who don’t get the difference between what the temperature ACTUALLY is and some pretty arbitrary but much more impressive sounding number when you’re trying to impress some girl/guy at a dinner party. A figure that gets slapped on the actual temperature by people too dense to realise the unbelievably obvious fact that you’ll cool down faster if it’s windy than if it’s not. Wow – science! Get naked, cut a hole in a lake and jump in – then you claim a “feels like factor” of -237 degrees or whatever you fancy and that will really impress that girl/guy at the dinner party – just hope they don’t ask you what happened to your testes when you jumped in to that hole in the lake. Is it a small hill? And am I ready to die on it? Yes and yes. But “windchill factor” was the meteorological equivalent of a bullsh!tting politician spouting fake news long before any orange bag of human puss had descended the golden elevator of sh!t to even announce his run for the presidency. Gosh – it feels better to get it off my chest.”

    Premier Icon jam-bo
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    glad I’m not alone…

    I read something once that the human body can’t differentiate much below -10 anyway. you just get frostbite/hypothermia quicker.

    Premier Icon ElShalimo
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    But windchill is real and if you’re out in it you’ll know about it.

    If you’re in your house is still not irrelevant

    Premier Icon jam-bo
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    i agree, you’ll die of hypothermia quicker in a ‘windchill’ of -35. but your frozen corpse will still only be at -18….

    Premier Icon sweaman2
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    https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-health/wind-chill-cold-weather/wind-chill-index.html

    Wind chill is “feels like”. Given Cougar wrote -35 not -35C then that’s ok…

    Premier Icon LAT
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    Sigh 🤨 Does your friend live outside?
    With no clothes on?

    have you ever lived in a place and gone about your daily life where the windchill is below -30 for days or weeks on end?

    you possibly have and i’m sure you did it very well, but -35 in the wind is much colder than -18. it becomes especially painful when you have to corral preschool age children between car and buildings and back again.

    it is easy to dress for-35 windchill, but every building you go into will be super heated to cope, so a trip to the supermarket becomes a bit more awkward. and worse, you can’t go for a bike ride without freezing you eyeballs.

    I read something once that the human body can’t differentiate much below -10 anyway. you just get frostbite/hypothermia quicker.

    it seems to go in waves. -10 to -20 seems very similar. below -25 is different again, below-35 is a whole new world of discomfort.

    the world is a very different place when it’s that cold

    Premier Icon ElShalimo
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    There’s just no need for this reasoned discussion about windchill when we could be usefully spending the time laughing at frozen Texans and their general batshit craziness

    Premier Icon LAT
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    There’s just no need for this reasoned discussion about windchill when we could be usefully spending the time laughing at frozen Texans and their general batshit craziness

    there was block of flats being built by white oak bayou while i lived there. it was planned to be luxury. they seemed to spend more time pumping floodwater out the basement than they did actually building the place. the basement was going to be for underground parking. presumably for the luxury cars that would be driven by the owners of the luxury apartments. that was crazy.

    close by that location, someone was shot in a random drive by at a petrol station shortly after someone shot himself with his friends pistol. it wasn’t suicide, a group of friends were admiring the new gun when it went off accidentally. obviously, there’s no point playing with a gun if it isn’t loaded.

    a man from the water company came to my door brandishing (like a weapon) a spanner that must have been almost a meter long telling me that he’s come to turn off my water supply because i was trying to defraud the water company.

    i was waiting at a red light at a crossing while a one-legged chap crossed in his wheelchair chair. the thing was, this was the kind of wheelchair that is designed to be pushed not self propelled. he was scooshing himself along with his remaining leg with some difficulty. as this was a poor area he was probably lucky to have that chair. the crazy thing, i was literally around the corner from million dollar houses (that gets you a big house in houston).

    i was in a shop “overhearing” a conversion between two old ladies. they were outraged that the cops had the ability to automatically read number plates to discover if the driver had any outstanding warrants or was wanted for a crime. these were middle class ladies in a nice bit of town. that was crazy.

    there are more, but i need to bathe my grubby child (who was conceived in texas!)

    but one more thing, my wife’s best buddy visited us, they went out dancing. while they were being chatted up the chap started making historical references. when the friend asked for clarification the texan told her she should know her history. she told him that she did know her history and that american history is not the history of the world. he seemed confused.

    all this from folk who live in the greatest state in the greatest country in the world.

    all that said, i’d rather live in texas than in the new forest.

    Premier Icon CountZero
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    I’ve been reading a lot about the situation in Texas, and their obsession with being the ‘Lone Star State’, rendering Texas almost a country within a country has led to this, along with their other obsession – anything that even hints at help from central Federal Government is immediately denounced as Socialist/Communist, even if it comes from a blatantly neo-Fascist government like ex-President Trump’s! 🤪

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