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  • Premier Icon nickc
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    because it’s not the full story.

    exactly, even a cursory glance at the fake Wayland web sites and advertising for David 8, and the Ted talk done by the man himself answers a load of stuff. People don’t bother, don’t get the full story, don’t get the references, and bingo…crap movie

    god, I sound nerdy

    piemonster
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    I agree NickC I think people wanted it to give them the answer outright but it didn’t partly because it’s not the full story. I’m watching it now.

    To be honest, I find a lot of these drawn out multi part films (and tv shows) to be little more than cynical money exercises stretched out at the expense of the films integrity.

    Look at ‘Lost’ ffs, and The Hobbit for that matter. Don’t get me wrong, I’m prepared to engage in a long story, but it needs to work as a long story. And not just be dull contrived tripe milking a cash cow.

    Personal opinion of course. And drifting OT.

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    exactly, even a cursory glance at the fake Wayland web sites and advertising for David 8, and the Ted talk done by the man himself answers a load of stuff. People don’t bother, don’t get the full story, don’t get the references, and bingo…crap movie

    I think you just described Donnie Darko.

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    never seen it, or may have done, as I always seem to come in half way through, or leave it halfway through…whatever.

    good film?

    Premier Icon nickc
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    To be honest, I find a lot of these drawn out multi part films

    Piemonster, the really sad thing is that the plot of Prometheus is elegant in it’s simplicity, and the question is right there, all it doesn’t do is answer it for you, just invites you to think a bit…Through the medium of really violent DNA shifting mutant Xenomorphs, and giant space alien religious engineering nutbags

    What could be more satisfying

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    good film?

    Well, it’s better than Aliens.

    Mind you, the film version of Are You Being Served? is better than Aliens, so not saying much…..

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    good film?

    Point was more that it’s one that only really makes a jot of sense when you’ve visited the web site, read all the supporting materials…

    I’m kinda torn on this. I’m all for films being enriched by “multimedia” and tie-in websites can be a lot of fun, but when a film needs a book or website or some such in order to actually explain what’s going on then really that’s a failure of the film. There’s enigmatic and there’s impenetrable.

    Take Memento. That’s a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there’s enough info in the film for you to untangle everything. Ok, it’ll probably take you a dozen viewings, but it’s all there. Can the same be said of Prometheus? I’m not sure.

    pondo
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    Take Memento. That’s a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there’s enough info in the film for you to untangle everything.

    Now that’s a fantastic film.

    mrmonkfinger
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    I find myself agreeing with Cougar a lot, lately.

    Prometheus was, in general, promising, but failed to deliver, had the “accept stupid things” level raised too high (rolling spaceship squashing the lady who doesn’t understand right angles, aliens that grow massively without eating a single breadcrumb, we could go on), and really, if you need to read a book to understand it, then it doesnt stand up as a film. Ridley Scott has made some great films but this was an ambitious mess.

    Memento was excellent. Much like the rest of Nolan’s output.

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    Cougar,
    I agree, and Prometheus does suffer a bit from this, and there is a measure of “buy the DVD, all the answers are there” sales pitch going on….

    But you can get it from the film, all those sources I went to look at after I’d seen the film, just to back up and confirm what I’d understood ( or not, like most I went out going, “eh”? )

    IvanDobski
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    Prometheus had countless moments of crap film-making and there were (apparently) moments of subtlety which take time to recognise.

    Unfortunately, as a result of the first I’m not even remotely interested in the second.

    Pigface
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    I liked Prometheus but it seemed to of been edited really badly and quickly, there was a scene between Vickers and Janek that was obviously longer but had been hacked so badly it made no sense at all. I am no fan bois so dont know if there is going to be a directors cut which will fill out the story some more.

    Still liked the film.

    JCL
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    Prometheus was visually stunning but the plot and script was detritus.

    Even my future wife Charlize couldn’t save it.

    wysiwyg
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    Shame it wasnt what it was meant to be

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    I am no fan bois so dont know if there is going to be a directors cut which will fill out the story some more

    Last I heard, the studio had asked for a Director’s Cut and Scott said no. Dunno if that’s still the case.

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    Prometheus was brought down by the clunky pseudo religious bollox that was tacked on and the re-working of the story to turn it into the 1st of a trilogy during the re-writes by Damon ‘lost’ Lindelof
    not to mention some rather unbelievable actions of the characters

    mrmonkfinger
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    to turn it into the 1st of a trilogy

    Holy unnecessary cash-cow-ing, Batman!

    There’s a pair of films that didn’t need to be planned.

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    Prometheus was brought down by the clunky pseudo religious bollox that was tacked on

    The religious aspect of the film was a) mostly the point, and b) in there right from the get go.

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    bit late to the party but

    Hell, even Die Hard 2 is awesomeness.

    Get. Out.

    I think you just described Donnie Darko.

    or donnie head **** as my mate called it, was a proper weird to watch then I checked the website and ooooooh!

    Take Memento. That’s a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there’s enough info in the film for you to untangle everything. Ok, it’ll probably take you a dozen viewings, but it’s all there.

    a dozen viewings? hmm I thought it was only a couple of steps up in complexity from pulp fiction, I’d have thought just a couple (or find the easter egg on the dvd that lets you watch it in chronological order) Cracking film tho very cleverly done.

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    Seems lots of people are keen to explain Prometheus in various ways:
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7CChfYoO_I[/video]
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q[/video]
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94wR0NfewE[/video]

    johndoh
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    Take Memento.

    If I got a penny for every time I have said to my wife ‘have we seen Memento?’, I’d have £5.63.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    Making the joke about whether you can/can’t remember if you’ve seen momento….also B ark criteria 😀

    johndoh
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    I know, I know. But I still catch my wife out with it 🙂

    johndoh
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    And 10 bonus points for where I paraphrased the joke from…

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    Prometheus fans seem to think that underlying themes were lost on most watchers. No, there was just too much of stupid action by nearly all characters which drowned all the good ideas.

    Simple stupid 80’s and 90’s action flicks have their place – bad guys get always hurt which is not the case in real life anymore. 🙁

    back2basics
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    getting away from ridley’s nut job of a movie….

    terminator TV series and 3 new movies as part for a reboot – somehow a timeline split at some point in the original movie,

    what do YOU want to see?

    WackoAK
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    No, there was just too much of stupid action by nearly all characters which drowned all the good ideas.

    ^^^THIS, as soon as the idiots removed their helmets it was all downhill from there.

    terminator TV series

    The Sarah Connor Chronicles were very good, just a shame it was canned.

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    somehow a timeline split at some point in the original movie,

    No need the Terminator timeline is constantly split.

    Pigface
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    More Chronicles = more Summer

    back2basics
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    more summer = more dullard acting, yet it does mean, more summer 😀

    cut from the T3 movie was why the T100 looks like Arnie (because a character in the T3 movie played by arnie was used to model the robot) Linky

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    What’s this T100 of which you speak? Arnie was a T800 model 101.

    back2basics
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    apologies, i got it wrong actually his full model is CSM-101 T800

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    Linky

    That is awesome. Terrible. But awesome.

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    Love the people who use the woman running in a straight line from the ship was stupid. She wasn’t getting away from it as it was freaking huge then it rolled over. I also reckon she shit her pants and paniced. Who care picking on such details when you’ve got a life form that has sulphuric acid for blood seems silly.

    Oh and the xenomorphd have always grown without eating.

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    Cameron does the “shooting up a police station but somehow not hurting anyone” bit:

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g279AY4aLrg[/video]

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    The religious aspect of the film was a) mostly the point, and b) in there right from the get g

    the original script is definitely more of an alien prequel, many of the sillier actions of the characters actually make sense

    and noomi rapaces character is a scientist rather than a woolly headed whatever

    http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf

    nice comparison here

    http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/the-8-worst-parts-of-prometheus-explained-in-the-original-script-jsarg.php

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    Love the people who use the woman running in a straight line from the ship was stupid.

    If you were stood in the road and you suddenly saw a car approaching you at high speed, which direction would you run?

    I stand by “stupid” here, I’m afraid.

    mrmonkfinger
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    Who care picking on such details when you’ve got a life form that has sulphuric acid for blood seems silly.

    on the list already

    Oh and the xenomorphd have always grown without eating.

    so? still on the ‘too stupid’ list.

    if that was about it, those two things, that would be an entirely manageable single serving sized suspension of disbelief, but Prometheus presented us with a whole smorgasbord of improbable, inexplicable, and downright impossible plot devices and characters

    (and yes, I’m aware it was sci-fi)

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    If you were stood in the road and you suddenly saw a car approaching you at high speed, which direction would you run?

    You’d be surprised how many panic and do nothing or get it wrong.

    E4. Tonight. 2100

    That is all.

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