Surly they’ve got to be joking? It’s just 4130 chromoly!

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but it IS sparkly blue 😀

Or go AL-6066 for a bit more

http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/salsa-blackborow-2015-frameset-5920-p.asp

Or Ti for twice as much as it would cost you to have a custom frame made up

http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/2015-salsa-mukluk-ti-frameset-5913-p.asp

Jesus christ I did not see the Blackborrow, that’s insane.

Buy this:

http://www.traversbikes.com/store/p9/Fat_Race_”Fat_Bike”_Frame.html

Its just ace 😉

Or get a Singukar Puffin, same factory, similar tubing, better ride 🙂

Interesting tactic, now they aren’t the only option…..put prices up!

Re Surly. I’m reminded of a letter to Q magazine which asked, “If Neil Young pissed in a bucket would you give that 5 stars too?”. Put a Surly sticker on said bucket and the fanboys would fall over themselves to claim said bucket for themselves no matter what the contents.

Good analogy, Surly in the UK are taking the piss.

I’m also reminded that ISON are no longer doing Salsa and wondering “were they pushed or did they jump”?

ICT Frameset price on US site is $825 about £515. They are making no effort what so,ever to have fair worldwide pricing. Usual bone idle charge $ price in UK £’s with no conversion to pay for UK extra layer cost of distribution.
Lazy bast……

i’ve got a Krampus and its amazing, if this helps?

Well said brianp, and no dirtyrider it doesn’t really help! I have an ECR (and a 1×1) which is amazing, but that was £650, absolutely ridiculous. Thankfully I managed to find it used, but still a heck of a lot of money

ICT Frameset price on US site is $825 about £515. They are making no effort what so,ever to have fair worldwide pricing. Usual bone idle charge $ price in UK £’s with no conversion to pay for UK extra layer cost of distribution.
Lazy bast……

£526
import duty at 4.9%
VAT at 20%
Hedging currency 10%

That gets you to £728

Charlie would have to pay some aspect of shipping cost I’d imagine.

It’s not robbery.

One assumes that the US price already has some margin built in, though it will likely be without local sales tax.

Usual stuff applies – there are alternatives for folk that don’t want to spend that amount of money or who just aren’t interested in the name for the names sake.

One assumes that the US price already has some margin built in, though it will likely be without local sales tax.

Yes – that’s why I didn’t add a margin for Charlie. But I would imagine shipping costs would be an additional cost over the US internal shipping pricing.

If On One can bring a fat frameset in and sell for the prices it does, how come a much larger firm, that pretends it doesn’t spend money on marketing, cannot get frames here for less than £750. Adding margins to US prices is not correct un my view since these frames are not produced in the US but Taiwan the same as OnOne’s frames.

The selling models are different, but Surly are risking the goodwill of UK riders by making no attempt to have fair UK prices. The boxes just come here direct. These are simple rigid steel framesets, no high technology involved. They do not even put decent kit on the frames.

The Surly is a frame, fork, replaceable dropouts and rear axle.
It’s got significant tooling costs associated with what they’ve done to get the 190 rear spacing.
It’s sold through a distribution chain, rather than direct.

It’s also sold at the price they think that they can sell it for.

I’m not saying I would buy one, but when you consider it’s a niche kind of bike and is frame and fork it’s not quite as scary. £400-500 seems to be the going rate for a lot of quality steel frame, and a decent steel fork is over £100. Add in the niche-ness and you get £750.

What Scot and brant said!

brant – Member

The Surly is a frame, fork, replaceable dropouts and rear axle.
It’s got significant tooling costs associated with what they’ve done to get the 190 rear spacing.

Surly can sell a Disc Trucker frameset for four hundred quid.

Do the differences mentioned above add up to three hundred and fifty quid?

Of course, you could always opt not to buy one……. 😀

The disc trucker is probably made in larger numbers so any tooling/setup costs will be spread.

It really is a case of the Emperor’s new clothes. Still if people have the cash to buy these fairly unremarkable looking frames and are happy let them fire on. I’d rather have a full On one build in the sale personally , though I’m sure some Surly fanboys will be on shortly to remind me they are totally different bikes.

I don’t agree.

I think they’re excellent, well built products.
They have a rare knack of combining innovation, quality and simplicity into useful bikes that people like to ride.

Shame about the pricing, which does takes the piss.

Billy Childish lookalike possible in law has promised me a Karate Monkey frame when he’s back from NZ.
Can’t wait.

I do really agree with you Rusty Spanner, I really do like their frames, but it’s such a shame about the pricing…

Not all 4130 chromoly is created equal either.

My Surly Krampus frameset was £550 which is comparable to the price of a Singular Swift/Rooster which I also considered, and cheaper than a Cotic Solaris when you factor in the cost of the forks which were included with the Krampus.

As far as tubing goes, its how the tubes are used rather than the type of tubing that’s important. Just because a frame is made from more expensive Chromoly such as Reynolds 853 or Tange Prestige it doesn’t mean it’s will make a for a better bike. It’s mainly in the design and configuration of the tubing, and affects the front triangle only where such tubing can be used (not possible for chainstays and seatstays etc).

Something has gone wrong with Surly UK pricing this year.

Last year Trolls in the sale at Triton were £750. This year £1125. It’s just a simple steel bike, admitt a very nice one. Full price £1300!

http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/road-bikes-c5/touring-bikes-c41/surly-troll-26-complete-bike-2014-black-p64

If Surly were a rock band they would be Bruce Springsteen, blue collar great value great to ride. Such high pricing is false to their ethos, and will cause their demise unless corrected.

Using your rock band analogy a bit, well the american bit. Is it a bit like the ford mustang, cheap as chips in the states but expensive once over here?

I like surly as a brand, but they do occasionally come across as a bit too hipster. They cover off a lot of small markets that other brands don’t cover, fatbike (up till this year), touring bikes (try finding any modern MTB with rack mounts), etc. It does mean that they have limited competition and as long as they cheaper than custom frames they’ll have sales.

On one would be One Direction
Singular would be Ed Sheeran
Salsa has to be Santana
Must be more….

Charlie would have to pay some aspect of shipping cost I’d imagine.

I also imagine he is not paying retail price either

Not all 4130 chromoly is created equal either.

I think it might actually be a standard tubing

Adding margins to US prices is not correct un my view since these frames are not produced in the US but Taiwan the same as OnOne’s frames

except this was the first point you made, comparing US pricing to UK, then when Brant laid out the ( fairly straightforward ) sums, you just decided you didn’t want to compare to US pricing any more.
if you’d said you thought their prices were high worldwide i’d have some sympathy with your position.
i agree that 750 quid for a chromo frame is a lot of money, but if you want to throw your leg over one, that’s what you pay. I also agree that surly pricing generally is high, and has increased, having seen the KM go from about 700 to over a grand over the space of a few years. it’s one reason i haven’t bought one. not the only reason mind you, and if i really wanted one, i’d pay up.
nice to have choice though, eh?

I’m sure Charlie isn’t paying US retail which is why the sums I did were based on the costs of import and didn’t have another margin added.

Well, I’ve just bought a Surly Big Dummy frameset. I got a bit of discount on the RRP, but you get a hell of a lot of tubes (it’s more like 2 frames and a fork) and usefulness for £800… and compared to running a second car, it’s a steal!

Not at all, the frames are made and shipped to the U.S. and the UK. Prices should be the same. Frames are not bought from the U.S. and imported, ex factory cost would be what? £250? Then Surly, then Ison, then Charlie plus the tax man. Too many steps. I worked in a company exporting worldwide and we had to have a single world price. It was tough and hard work, but we tried. Surly ain’t trying.

” It was tough and hard work, but we tried. Surly ain’t trying.”

Surly dont need to. The same way that Salsa pricing is mental in the UK, they can sell out to the home market, and they only need and have a business model to shift limited numbers overseas. They wont be ever be specialised, or trek or giant etc..and they dont need or want everyman and his dog to be on their products.

it does cut both ways. Look at the costs for on-one in the US, or Stooge etc..

its the way of the world. 🙂

OnOne would be Status Quo, not One Direction.

Not big, not clever, but good fun in a simple guilty pleasures sort of way.

Compared to the Surly frames, the On One’s are amazingly value! I would buy one if it wasn’t for the limited tyre clearance which I guess is why you buy a Surly 🙄