summer rugby

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  • summer rugby
  • some big lads in that England under 20’s team!

    Parling and AW Jones would look underpowered to me. Grey would be my choice.

    loum
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    I don’t see why Grey fell behind Parling for any reason other than he was injured

    Something to do with G******’s wife or daughter?

    Rumour is that he hasn’t been impressed with Grey’s attitude. Too laid back.

    If that’s the case, once a coach doesn’t like you then that’s it really.

    Would explain how Grey went from at least top 3 of the locks in the earlier games, to 5th choice.

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    Wrecker;I think we have to quicken to ball at the line,I think Grey is a better front jumper but for quick ball,if Youngs can hit it,we must use three jumpers. I think Parling is a dog second row and would fit well with AWJ,if that is how they choose to play,but Grey will cover the second channel better,where the Aussies played a fair old bit today.On reflection THM PROBABLY has it, I thinK we will know by 50th min of next game when sub board held up.

    loum
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    Any of you move, I’ll free kick ya. So stay were you are… Go!

    wrecker
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    Three jumpers = croft. Phillips didnt manage much quick ball on Saturday. For all of the excuses, he didnt play well and as earlier stated; I’m a big Phillips fan.
    WRT back row play; I’ve played there for 22 years (open mostly but also blind and even left and right at times) and have learnt form some very good coaches including 3 mates who are currently playing professional rugby in the prem or championship. I’ve always been taught that the open side should lead the tackle count and be first to the breakdown (if he hasn’t caused it). Then again, I’m not at or anywhere near international level and never have been.

    Oh, and well done England youth team. World champions!

    loum
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    Totally agree with that.
    7’s job is to be there first.
    Make the tackle. If someone else tackles, then win the ball. It’s not easy but it’s not complicated.
    To give Warbs his due, he did lead the TC this week.
    14 made, 2 missed.
    Next were BOD with 11 made 0 missed, JD10/0, Heaslip 9/0, Corbs 8/2, and Croft 8/0.

    That looks about right to me, centres and other back row should be next. Good shift from Corbs .

    Hooper was top of Oz TC too with 14 made 1 missed
    Next were their locks, blindside and hooker.

    I like this one

    I’ve always been taught that the open side should lead the tackle count

    when Warburton has been most effective is when Lydiate does the chopping and he then goes in for the ball. Watch the All-Blacks too they run at Pocock to tie him up, if your tackling you cant be jackling, I doubt Richie MAcaw leads the tackle stats either. Having said all that refs and especially Pollock yesterday seem to want to rid the game of the jackel which may explain why the are using Warbs differently at the moment.

    check this one out, how was Genia not done for holding on?

    First one you can see the refs point about initially off his feet, second one is baffling

    wrecker
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    I doubt Richie MAcaw leads the tackle stats either

    They call him Mr38 do they not? Forgive me if I’m wrong (and I very well may be) but I was under the impression that mccaw regularly topped the tackle counts.

    uwe-r
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    These clips just serve to show how hard it is to ref, you could call the penalty against both teams, he just gives it to the attacking team every time.

    In the second one the Aussies could easily clear him out but they don’t cos they know they will get the penalty.

    loum
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    wrecker,
    You are not wrong. McCaw tops the NZ tackle count in about 95% of games he plays. Occasionally someone else has a stormer, or maybe he’s at 8 and Cane’s at 7 so it’s tight. Usually makes about 16 a game.

    Team tackle count could be around 120 ish.
    So it’s the other 100 odd tackles made by his team-mates where he tends to be next, or close to next to win the ball. 😉

    In a similar vein, Lydiate nearly never tops TC’s. He’s good technique, and very noticeable. Doesn’t miss many. But doesn’t have the outright speed or game to be there that often that he tops the TC. Only one time in last two years that I can see is against Italy last year, 2012. Tips was 7 that day.

    RichPenny
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    “I found that I could not reject as being implausible or improbable Horwill’s explanation that Australia are running out of decent replacements”

    QFT

    I may stand corrected but Faletau often tops the tackle count for wales and lydiate regularly does. I know Faletau didnt miss a tackle at the world cup and he started every game.
    Adam made two yesterday fat useless tub of lard.

    loum
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    Faletau tackles loads, saw one game where he had 22/0.
    Lydiate tackles well, but probably not as much.
    Warburton (if on form) as likely to top Wales TC as Faletau, more likely than Lydiate.

    22 is a freaky number, only seen one other above 20.
    15/16 is good for a 7.
    12 is very good for a 6. Lydiate regularly gets around this when fit.

    Warburton is playing well imo. What did he do wrong yesterday. Heaslip plsyed well too but Croft was rubbish. Won a few lineout and **** all else, not many tacklrs made and none broken. He is a luxary the lions cannot aford.

    Tom B
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    He made 8 tackles and missed none….he wasn’t as good going forward as he needs to be to justify his selection but he was far from rubbish.

    Surprised that Tom Youngs didn’t feature as a top tackler, he regularly does so for England.

    The stats lie though he missed two on the two gifs posted of the aussie tries but as he didnt get close enought to lay a hand on anyone they done count! He also f’d up a clear overlap with a forward pass.

    tinybits
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    As rubbish as Croft is (and you were never going to say anything else) you still owe me a pint. 😈

    wrecker
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    Croft didnt play badly. Neither did warbs. Neither played well (by their standards).
    Best players were north, youngs, Corbs, AWJ and jones.
    Worst was Phillips.
    All IMHO of course.

    Anyway **** it we won. Here’s to next week. Fingers crossed for POC and Corbisero.

    wrecker
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    Fingers crossed for POC and Corbisero.

    +1

    Tinybits. Indeed as i posted a while back name a charity and give them a few quid. I think that post was lost in all the bickering though.

    loum
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    Pick of the back rowers playing for me was Mowen. Not seen him before, but he was ace. Made his side of the scrum a complete no-go area. Battered anyone who tried to snipe around the rucks. Linked play wide, good hands and made yards running. And top lineout performance too. Up there with Genia and Folau for performance IMHO, but won’t get the credit ‘cos a lot of it’s dog work.

    Neither Croft or Warburton were “rubbish”.
    OK, but not brilliant from either. But Croft is more critical to the lineout.

    SOB is our best chance at someone having a Mowen of a game.
    There is no player in the squad that Oz are happier about not playing.

    tinybits
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    Totally missed that AA! RNLI or if anywhere in the West Country, the RUH newborn intensive care unit. After a harrowing 24hrs, my 5 day old is out and doing well, but so glad they were there.

    Indeed Mowen was very good. The wallaby fringe defence was excellent the Lions wasnt which didnt help Phillips. Need to see more picking and driving up the guts next week to tie them in. Lack of front foot ball kills Phillips game.

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    If we had/used/been able to hit three jumpers then that would allow Phillips to go round the corner at the back. He didn’t play well cos he was forced to pass, not his strong suit. Still; WE WON!And I would think that Gatland will be working towards forcing the Aussies into playing a game that suits us more.

    tinybits
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    AA, yes please.

    Duckmam. I think your part right but Phillips actual passing is very good. The passes from tapped front ball to Sexton were very long and very accurate. Its the wind up from rucks that can take the time. As you say though Phillips was shit because the forwards didnt get over the gainline and so he tries to do it and things get worse. As you say he didnt have many runners coming of him like Genia did.
    Tinybits will send a cheque tonight. Good luck with your kid. They are brilliant!

    POC gone. Parling pulled from tomorrows team so I guess he’s the replacement.

    tinybits
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    Thanks AA, it’s number two and had a few teething troubles. All good now though!

    POC is a big loss, Parling is a decent lock and an excellent line out operator. He’s also good with Youngs, so maybe some better ball from the line out on Saturday.

    Tom B
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    He’s often awol around the park though is Parling.

    ijs445ra
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    With the loss of POC Gatland should probably look at changing the backrow, i don’t think he will, but i would like to see SOB in for Croft. POC does a lot of carrying around the ruck that Parling does not appear to.

    We did not see enough carrying from Heaslip, perhaps because of the way the set piece was performing SOB would take on more of that than Croft.

    Although if Tualagi or Roberts is back that gives an extra ball carrier in midfield…hmm perhaps undoing my own argument

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    I didn’t say Phillips was poo A-A. What I was driving at was the Aussies forced him to pass from the middle/front of the line and stopped him coming round the back,which is one of his strengths. He also didn’t get to dart round a forward moving pack. However it should also be remembered he was playing against the best 9 in the world( despite anything George North had to say during his run in 😀 )

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    @ loum – re tackle count. Didn’t thierry Dusatoir make about 36 against the All Blacks a couple of world cup’s back?

    ijs445ra
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    Digby Ioane and Pat Mcabe our of rest of series Barnes to miss next test…will Deans have to resort to calling up Quade Cooper

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23027961

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    I do hope not…He can play a bit.

    loum
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    charlie,

    You’re right , it was ridiculous.
    It was 38 for Dusatoir, out of a total of 178 for france.
    Against 36 for the whole AB team.

    http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2059872.html

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m_PZKtoVT_4[/video]

    found another silly one, Lydiate against Ireland In 2011 RWC, 24.

    Didnt wales make over 180 tackles during the samoa world cup.game?

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