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Hogg Can’t be blamed for playing 10 with centres he only met yesterday, and being played Out of Position Again, when there’s injuries in the “test” back 3. Deserves a propper chance, not being forced to cover the coach’s selection holes and being made a scapegoat for poor squad balance .
He couldn’t be blamed even if he thought “f unk it, whatever I do I’m not getting looked at for getting picked .”
Likewise for Rory and a couple of the others, TBH.
Don’t know what the squad morale is like, you don’t really hear ’til afterwards.
But Gatland’s selection’s would be giving a few players good excuse to think it’s “them and us”. Bollox is there no midweek team.
edit 🙂 😉 🙂Posted 4 years ago
Ok guys, this isn’t a Wendy thread. Lets play nicely.
I thought people were trying to play themselves into contention not out of it? Makeshift team = makeshift performance. Hopefully they can pull it out in 2H but line out is awful and backs not cohesive or threatening enough at the moment.Posted 4 years ago
I thought people were trying to play themselves into contention not out of it?
That’s what I would have thought. Most seem to be doing the opposite, as loum suggests.
Interesting point on morale: won the easy matches easily, struggled against the stronger Reds, and pretty much in disarray here.Posted 4 years ago
I was not a Grey fan before, but he has impressed me on tour so far. Looks like the only leader on the pitch right now. Still think POC and AWJ to start but grey as first reserve. Don’t think Gatts likes Parling. We just need someone who can throw the ball in properly now.Posted 4 years ago
We just need someone who can throw the ball in properly now.
I’m convinced we’ve got the best throwing hookers in the world.Posted 4 years ago
This a squad ploy to draw the Ozzies into kicking for touch and lineouts rather than infield for Cuthbert to try to catch.
Proof is in the fact that they’re “throwing badly” too well. they just can’t help it. They haven’t missed an oppo all tour.
Except Youngs, who doesn’t speak Welsh.duckmanMember
Sorry, thought most people would be bright enough to see a comment like that was obviously tongue in cheek.
Thing is Zokes,with your posting history you are well aware that it is unlikely to be taken as tongue in cheek,maybe you should add the smiley,as suggested. Unless you are trolling?
So alluded to above by THM, how did Grey play? Well enough to make the bench till PoC comes off for a rest after 50mins?Posted 4 years ago
So alluded to above by THM, how did Grey play? Well enough to make the bench till PoC comes off for a rest after 50mins?
Couple of steals in the lineout to show he can take ball if it’s there to be caught. Not bad around the park from what I saw on a dodgy connection. No worse than anyone else, including the other locks.
But, played 80 mins. You never know when injuries will hit, so have to allow for needing to throw your sup on after 5mins – Suggesting to me that Gatland was protecting either Parling or Evans. Madness IMO ‘cos Grey’s been top3 so far.
Feel a bit sorry for him tbh. Same with tips and faletau. They’re the three that, imo, are test squad capable that have had to do 80 today. Really unlucky if they are left out, but looks that way now 😥
Kearney’s a bit different. Showed some real class today, high balls like the best. Pick of the backs. But he needed 80 mins a bit like Warbs did last week. Shame it’s come so late, but he’s put his hand up to be involved from test match 2 onwards.Posted 4 years agoduckmanMember
Depends on the game Gatland wants to play. If he wants to rattle up the middle and force his pace on the Aussies then AWJ and PoC to start. I am suprised if Parling gets the call as he is much more limited than Gray,pretty much everywhere. Gray is a 6″10″ 20ish stone Croft, so unlikely, although not impossible for both to start on the same team. Although it would focus the thoughts of the Aussie back 3 😆Posted 4 years ago
Parling was good when he came on and seemed to help stabilise line out. Ok, I may be biased as an Englishman but cannot understand why Parling isn’t obvious choice for test. We need jumpers that even Hibbard and Younges can hit under extremis. Historically I have been a POC fan but do not feel that he is automatic. Perhaps Parling, AWJ and Croft at the back. Or POC at front, Parling in the middle and Croft rear gunner? But that seems harsh on Grey.
But who can play #2???? Kearney back as stand in15 rather than Hogg and OF as stand in for Sexton now?
Sad that Gatts was either forced (more likely?) or chose to protect most of his contenders because that was a very poor effort for the Lions shirts IMO.Posted 4 years agoIdleJonSubscriber
The front 3 were desperately poor this morning. I spent a while watching Matt Stephens and he did nothing. Absolutely zippo. He trotted from breakdown to breakdown, arriving slightly too late to make any useful contribution if he even got to the right place. Grant was marginally better but I’d have to ask why either was taken on the tour on the basis of this performance.
Faletau’s performance was interesting (in fact the whole back row..). Once they could start doing their own job instead of covering holes for the fat boys then the game plan got back on track.
Barritt was missing for most of the game, maybe with the same excuse as Hogg – poor ball from the forwards. Wade looked massively out of his depth.
Shane looked like a class player who hasn’t played at this level for a while. A few nice touches but not really fit enough to play with any continuity.
The back row did their best. Kearney played well. Twelvetrees did his best but was up against a very good oppo. And that’s about it.
The real problems with this team were selection issues. Hogg should never have been put in this position. A decent, experienced 10 could maybe have coped and even have put points on the scoreboard but he fell apart. The blame should be put on the front 5, especially the front 3.Posted 4 years ago
A decent 10 like Hook or any other would have wanted a decent crack at claiming a test spot which would have compromised the build up for the two main players. Same applies to Stevens, here is not good enough and never has been but is happy to tour and be a dirt tracker. Had others been picked they would have wanted to be given a fair crack but when they hadn’t been it would be bad for squad moral. Not sure its worked though.Posted 4 years ago
The blame should be put on the front 5, especially the front 3.
The difference when the replacements came on was quite astounding. But, too late to save the game, and quite disappointing that the reserves couldn’t make a better effort at least looking like scoring a try, no matter how disjointed they were. The Brumbies deserved it, if we’d got our ducks in a row for Farrell to drop the final three points on that last attack I doubt the result would make much difference. Winning by a drop goal or penalty wouldn’t gloss over the poor performance.Posted 4 years ago
Considering the injuries, was this one warm up match too many?
Sounds like an exercise in avoiding injuries rather than a game to win.
I spent a while watching Matt Stephens and he did nothing. Absolutely zippo.
There’s a very good reason he does this. It’s because he’s shit 😀Posted 4 years ago
You didnt say that when it won you a World Cup
That was the last match in the tournament! But where were Wales at that stage? Oh…. 😆
I’m sure we could both agree however that if it is 1-1 in the tests and Farrell seals it with a drop goal in the 78th minute of the third test we’d all be pretty happy.
Sounds like an exercise in avoiding injuries rather than a game to win.
Having watched it, it certainly seemed like there was an objective other than winning!Posted 4 years ago
The real problems with this team were selection issues. Hogg should never have been put in this position. A decent, experienced 10 could maybe have coped and even have put points on the scoreboard but he fell apart. The blame should be put on the front 5, especially the front 3.
This is all so true, and has been evident all tour. He could even have sorted it this weekend.
10 needed short-term covering with a 10 – Biggar was in the same place as Williams so could have come in on the same flight. Or Burns, could have come instead or as well as Wade on that same plane. Just spent a few weeks getting to know the England centres too so it wouldn’t have looked liked they’d never met.
Neither are test contenders, but why shouldn’t they get the same “play one game and help us out” deal as Williams. Would have been a lot fairer on Hogg too to let him have the run out wide, or 50/50 with Kearney.
Crap management and selection again. Either he dreamt up the Williams call-up whilst pissed, or he did it to motivate/spite his Welsh players after that performance on Saturday. Certainly a kick in their teeth, but yet again, not in the Lions best interest.
Agree with the tight forward comments too. Massive contrast with the likes of POC, AWJ, Mako and Youngs on Saturday. They all put in a shift that looked like it meant something to them. Some of today’s played like they had nothing to play for.Posted 4 years ago
But I blame Gatland for that too 😉tor5Subscriber
Winning by a drop goal or penalty wouldn’t gloss over the poor performance.
You didnt say that when it won you a World Cup [/quote]
1. Quality of the performance only matters as a barometer for the test side. Everyone agrees that this side has little or no relevance to the test side so the quality of performance doesn’t matter. Being seen to nick one and stick two fingers up at the felons in canary yellow would be great for squad morale though.
2. Finals (and series) are always about the results. end of.Posted 4 years ago
Biggar was in the same place as Williams so could have come in on the same flight.
I suspect Biggar and Hook might well have told them to **** off. Burns might have been a good option but it would have meant Gatland admitting he was wrong and he’s not known as cementhead for no reason.Posted 4 years ago
Ah, we’ve got what we’ve got. Our job is just to support them and hope they do well. No shame in losing a series to Aus anyway, they are a very good team and I think they’ve been seriously underestimated by our media.
Everyone agrees that this side has little or no relevance to the test side so the quality of performance doesn’t matter.
Not quite. These tours are very attritional (as we have seen) and the likelihood is that at least some of the starters in todays game will feature in a test at some point.Posted 4 years ago
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