Grum – I’m going to presume you don’t actually know the definition of sanctimonious. Once you do you might be able to construct a sentence that works instead of the clichéd mess you posted.

@Surfer I’m not sure how UTD are supposed to have sacked Keane, when it was only AFTER he had left utd he admitted the tackle was deliberate in his book. At the time he was banned for 3 games and fined, he was then fined again and banned some more by the FA (5 games rings a bell?) after the admission. How are Utd supposed to sack a man no longer in their employ?

I said I’d love the same that happened to cantona to be applied to suarez, but that was it, so please stop trying to make me out as something I’m not.

You’re the first poster in the thread going on about sacking… obviously a sub-conscious thought coming out?

At the time with Cantona I was stunned he wasn’t banned for life. We all know the FA are about as consistent as a 3 year old and are driven by whatever is in the media spotlight but it will be interesting to see how they set any punishment (if they/sky think it’s worth punishment) seeing as he has form for this kind of incident (7 game ban in Holland) and has an additional recent disciplinary (8 games ban for a racism).

At least the PR person at LFC appears to be earning their cash this time.

the bloke doesn’t need a ban or a fine to stop him acting like this, he needs professional help.

@Surfer I’m not sure how UTD are supposed to have sacked Keane, when it was only AFTER he had left utd he admitted the tackle was deliberate in his book

I think we have more in common than seperates us however anyone who needed to wait for the autobiography to see Keanes intent is deluded. I wont link to the youtube video but I think most right minded people would think it was one of the most vindictive and cynical tackles ever.

BTW You dont sack players only when they admit it in their autobiography

Oh, and it was his other knee that ended his career.

Haaland claimed this injury was a direct result of Keanes tackle.

Thats by the by a bunch of horrible scrotes the lot of them just just lets not ignore some and criticise others,

mrblobby – Member

If I got stressed with someone in a work meeting and lent over and bit a chunk out of their arm I’d expect to be out of a job and probably up for assault. I don’t see why this case should be treated any differently.

But you didnt cost £22.7m

Grum – I’m going to presume you don’t actually know the definition of sanctimonious. Once you do you might be able to construct a sentence that works instead of the clichéd mess you posted.

For “sanctimonious ” read above. 🙂

@Surfer

I’m not sure if we are both trying to sing the same hymn or not. I think we both agree that football is full of cheats and that there are hundreds of examples of players not playing in a sporting way. In this case as with the cantona/keane examples you brought up – the club will not want to lose a prized asset, but will be weighing up the pros and cons of keeping a player when that player keeps getting themselves banned for stuff other than regular tackles/play etc (ie drugs/racism/biting) and possibly losing them sponsors.

From a clubs point of view there is wriggle room when the player says it was heat of the moment/accident for whatever an event and I’m sure they will take full advantage of that to their aims. Until keanes admission in the book that it was deliberate the club gave him the benefit of doubt (which was also in their best interests) but remember that the FA only banned him for 3 games where they had opportunity for more. Hindsight is a brilliant thing though.

I’m trying to think of a relevant event where a star player admitted wrong doing whilst employed by utd (as that’s the club I probably know the best in football), the only one I can think of is that stam admitted to being “tapped up” and was then sold to Lazio? At the end of the season when he was at the height of his defensive powers, so utd definitely took a hit there (not quite a sacking as they got cash but to this day fergie wishes he’d kept stam). There have been a number of youth/reserves let go for drink driving/criminal damage etc.

I’m sure if keane had admitted to the tackle being deliberate at the time, the stance taken by utd would have been more in line with that taken against cantona.

As for suarez – I would like to see a set table of fines/punishments for all events within a game so that this element of doubt and media witch hunt is removed, mind you I’d also like them to be able to review all events brought up (preferably by the opposing team) and double check a ref’s decision. Because as much as I like the ref being in sole charge of the game, he only has 1 set of eyes and is seriously pressured, I think this would soon sort out a lot of the pissing about on the pitch.

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Haaland claimed this injury was a direct result of Keanes tackle.

He said it aggravated an already long standing well documented injury that he’d had on the other knee.

Grum – I’m going to presume you don’t actually know the definition of sanctimonious. Once you do you might be able to construct a sentence that works instead of the clichéd mess you posted.

Not my fault if you struggle with English. 🙂

Typical mawkish scouser – blind to their own faults and blame everyone else eh?

But try substituting ‘scouser’ for, oh let’s say ‘immigrant’ or ‘Asian’. Not really very nice to make crass generalisations about groups of people is it. Wasn’t just you btw.

You may wish to look up the definition of mawkish too – not sure how it relates to the second part of your sentence.

Grum – I’m going to presume you don’t actually know the definition of sanctimonious. Once you do you might be able to construct a sentence that works instead of the clichéd mess you posted.

Not my fault if you struggle with English. 🙂

Typical mawkish scouser – blind to their own faults and blame everyone else eh?

But try substituting ‘scouser’ for, oh let’s say ‘immigrant’ or ‘Asian’. Not really very nice to make crass generalisations about groups of people is it. Wasn’t just you btw.

You may wish to look up the definition of mawkish too – not sure how it relates to the second part of your sentence.

It should be a 3 match ban for violent conduct. But because he has form, because he’s foreign, and because he bit rather than punched the defender, it will be a lot more.

THM +1

Par for the course with football.
Possibly, at a stretch, it could be violent conduct, but nobody was hurt so it’s hard to call it that.
The Defoe precedent of a yellow card looks about right.

Sky Sports has turned the common armchair football fan into a bunch of frothing, outraged, pseudo-guardian-reading hand wringers.

Rather than violent conduct, or whatever, they should just bring in an automatic ‘being a dick’ ban.

This could be enforced by picking a random pub, anywhere in the country, not in the town or city of either of the teams playing. If the majority of neutrals watching feel you’re being a dick, whether its for diving, biting, berating the referee, or just being Ashley Cole, then its an automatic three match suspension

Or if its Utd, it’ll have to be a pub in Manchester.

oh well played Sir 😆

Has a great, global institution (sic) been tarnished in the way its alumni suggest in their faux-sincerity acts on tv? Hardly. This same institution, along with its peers, routinely tolerates assault, cheating, disrespect for officials, and foul and abusive chanting from its supporters without comment or sanction. And one bloke behaves like a silly, aggressive child and somehow the integrity of institution/”great club” is called into question

when did we get on to rugby then? infamour call 99 for example – ever
seen football players agree before a match to have a fight?
Every sport does this – rugby and blood gate
F1 and team orders and deliberate crashing
Mc Enroe at tennis
Golf and tigers woods – I dont watch that but some folk were cross with his cheating? dont know the details
Sure there are plenty of others if we look hard enough when emotions are running high
It is what happens in sport lets not pretend it is just football

Yes Suarez behaved like a **** and deserves due punishment but really Liverpool and others and FA need to look in the mirror occasionally! The is a lot more rotten at the core than this incident.

FFS dont look at FIFA or bernie Ecclestone then

JY – your post suggests that you are being either overly sensitive or trying your own version of a professional foul! 😉

Read carefully – I was not comparing football to other sports. I was simply noting the extent of “outrage” over this one incident (especially in relation to the “reputation of LFC”), in the context of the blind eye that is applied to equally abusive and offensive behaviour on a weekly basis.

The sense of moral outrage is frankly ridiculous. So the reputation of LFC or any other team is enhanced by the vile abuse directed at other fans, other players and figures of authority every match? Hardly. And yet nothing is said about this or the thuggery and cheating that is often accompanied with the ironic use of the adjective “professional.” This is all part of the “wonderful game.”???????

Other sports have their issues for sure, but that is a separate point entirely. Football has bigger issues than a bite that it regularly ignores and by default appears to sanction. “Respect” worn on shirts is perhaps the most obvious absurdity of the modern game.

So to repeat:

Yes Suarez behaved like a **** and deserves due punishment but really Liverpool and others and FA need to look in the mirror occasionally! The is a lot more rotten at the core than this incident.

As much as I love the game, the behaviour of the players is driving me away.

This.

Not a football fan at all here, and this kind of thing is largely why. In just about any other sport, intentional violent conduct like this, that in no way whatsoever could be misconstrued as an accident, would be made an example of.
The clubs get more and more bankrupt (financially and morally) being held to ransom by scrotes like this, cos they know without him they can’t be competitive, and though his stupidity is likely to cost the club dearly, getting rid of him will cost the club even more financially… So they’ll just swallow their pride and he’ll be back on the pitch as soon as he possibly can!

Football has more than its fair share of flawed geniuses, but intentionally biting someone? Even if it was only a nip and no real damage was done, the intention was there!

I’m slightly surprised by Ivanovic’s reaction to it all though… Ok he’s not making a song and dance of it, fair enough. But the guy is a fairly solid fella. A fair bit of him. Can just picture if this had happened say 20 odd years ago, Vinnie Jones in his prime… Can you imagine the outcome of anyone trying to bite him? I imagine seeing Vinny casually walking past the ref saying “sorry but he deserved it and you know it” as he escorted himself off the pitch, having smashed his opponents front teeth out then stamped on his knee. I’d say defenders have become too soft if guys like Suarez would even think about trying a stunt like this!!! 😉

Can you imagine the outcome of anyone trying to bite him? I imagine seeing Vinny casually walking past the ref saying “sorry but he deserved it and you know it” as he escorted himself off the pitch, having smashed his opponents front teeth out then stamped on his knee. I’d say defenders have become too soft if guys like Suarez would even think about trying a stunt like this!!!

So thats the answer then FFS 🙄

Surfer

Another reason I don’t like football…

None of the fans have got a sense of humour!!!

I could go on, but I’ll save my dislike of football for another thread and let you armchair supporters keep this one to yourselves from now on!

Sanctimonious = hypocritical show of righteousness or religiousness

Where exactly was I being hypocritical? I said I would love it if what actually happened to cantona (which was brought up by surfer, who wanted cantona sacked) was applied to suarez, but I didn’t call for any punishment to be applied to him (sacked or otherwise) but said it would be interesting to see what punishment if any would be applied considering the media frenzy. I also corrected the details on the Keane/Haaland incident. Where was this moral high ground I was supposed to be taking?

Mawkish – see RAWK for a myriad of examples, along with blind to own faults and it’s everyone else’s fault – although I had just been amusing myself there so it was a little high in my mindset tbf. Over the top nauseating sentimentality, have you seen the dot thread?

My comment about scousers was not supposed to be nice, but it’s an accurate representation of a large majority of Liverpool fans, I obviously needed to clarify that scousers = Liverpool fans, which is how Surfer read as in his first posts.

But I’m loving the jump you decided to make for me.

None of the fans have got a sense of humour!!!

Woaa there Tiger. You started by making a serious point then went off on one about more violence being the answer!
I’m a Sales Sharks fan, you get a complimentary sense of humour with the season ticket.

(which was brought up by surfer, who wanted cantona sacked)

No I didnt I was raising the point about fair treatment and double standards, dont put words into my mouth.

which is how Surfer read as in his first posts.

I dodnt know what point you are making here.

My comment about scousers was not supposed to be nice, but it’s an accurate representation of a large majority of Liverpool fans

Unless you have a significant amount of evidence to backup this statement then I think you have lost credibility.

your post suggests that you are being either overly sensitive or trying your own version of a professional foul!

well we can probably discount overly sensitive 😉

Just pointing out it is not better or worse than any other sport. That said it does raise “passions”[ as this thread shows]and it is more tribal in nature than other sports. It often seems to bring the worst out in people be it fans, players or those that run the game- hell it seems to even bring out the worst in those who dont even like the game

Yes THM some perspective would help but it is as unlikely as surfer and Binners agreeing – perhaps they both hate another team even more or perhaps we should try the Euro 😉

I don’t get it, it’s a girly game, one of them acts like a girl, what’s all the fuss about?

not defending doggish behaviour, but those rugger types getting all high and mighty is strange– a game that has more than its share of brutes, bullies and racists– is a bit much– vast majority of football is played in a sporting manor–hence these incidents are high profile–Cantona was different, he attacked a racist thug,served his time very productively, coaching hard up kids and learning to play the trumpet.

football is great drama, at all levels, i don’t much care for the corporate version , but the drama is undeniable….

No?

He who laughs last?

Saccades – Member
My comment about scousers was not supposed to be nice, but it’s an accurate representation of a large majority of Liverpool fans

In the same way most people going by the name ‘saccades’ are nobs?? 🙄

Can anyone explain why the hell David Cameron thinks he should have a say on this? 🙄

Downing Street has called on the Football Association to make an example of Luis Suárez after he was charged with violent conduct for biting Branislav Ivanovic and Liverpool declared their leading striker would not be sold as a result of his latest indiscretion.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/22/luis-suarez-charged-biting-ivanovic

Not a football fan at all here, and this kind of thing is largely why. In just about any other sport, intentional violent conduct like this, that in no way whatsoever could be misconstrued as an accident, would be made an example of.

He’s going to be fined and banned. How is that not being made an example of?

Can anyone explain why the hell David Cameron thinks he should have a say on this?

Unfortunately, Dave, as with Blair before him is so painfully narcissistic, seems to believe that the entire country is sat eagerly awaiting their thoughts on any given matter. Its now difficult for anything to happen that he doesn’t comment on

Can anyone explain why the hell David Cameron thinks he should have a say on this?

Well he is the moral compass by which I judge all things you pathetic lefties. Remember he is a true football fan as he supports Villa because his Dad knew the Chairman which is how we all pick our football teams.

PS it was Daves spokesperson not dave who said this

And Suarez, just like Ronnie, will be at Real next season. For a lot less than he would have cost this time yesterday, due to being a complete tool. So… just give it a few weeks and you’ll be able to hate the classless little scrote too, just like the rest of us

Frayed knot.

he’ll be at City.
And he’ll win them the Title just like Aguero did, and VP did for utd this year.
He’s the best striker available , and any club would take him ‘cos he’ll help win them the league. But there’s one club he’d turn down though.
Just look at the VP transfer, utd soon forgot about him being a dirty cheat when their was a chance to buy him. City will have no probs paying top money to take him. And fresh club, fresh start. 😉

well now balotelli has gone there is an opening but the real question is is he moody and petulant enough to fill those boots?
On the pitch Yes …off the pitch not even close
Would be a good buy for them for sure actually