STW plumbing/heating engineer collective – underfloor heating advice required
Folks, the benefit of your collective wisdom please. Our underfloor heating doesnt seem to playing ball at the moment. It heats the downstairs (obviously), but seems to be heating only our guest room and ensuite, at the far end of the house. Our lounge, kitchen and utility are not heating at all, the floor remains cold. Thermostats are set to 20C..it doesnt make any difference where we set them, nothing changes. The boiler is a Combi, with the settings for the heating at 6 (out of 9 settings) and again, it doesnt appear to matter where its set at, the above areas remain cold. Hot water is being produced without issue.
Ive had advice from a mate of a mate that underfloor needs leaving on permanently to work, which sounds like bollocks to me, is this correct? The thought of it blasting away from now until kingdom come fills my bank account with horror. As we are in and out at various times, we have it set to turn on and off at the usual times (0600 – 0900, 1100 – 1400, 1700 – 2230).
Anyone help us out, either professionals, or anyone with a similar problem resolved?Posted 6 years agosugdenrMember
UFH has a reaction time between something like 12 and 24 hours depending if you have slab underneath or on top of the insulation. But regardless it a thermal mass heating system not a radiator(technically they are convectors not radiators), you have to keep it warmed up to work. The idea is to use low grade heat (30 to 55 deg depending) rather than the 60 deg that rads need to ‘blast out’ enough heat. Condesning boilers stop condensing at about 55 deg.
However sounds to me like you are not getting any flow to parts of your system, check the distribution maniflold isnt closed off etc, otherwise get someone in to check it.Posted 6 years agochickenmanSubscriber
As above, UFH pipes are embedded in 2″ of concrete, water is at blood temperature but is tempered down to this beyond the boiler. Since pipes are plastic and 15mm, they are unlikely to block. Different zones may have seperate pumps and timer channels; is something out of synch there?Posted 6 years ago
Room stats only need to be at 17c as the heat is round your feet (where you need it!).
I have mine on from 6am to miday then 5pm till 1am. The boiler barely ticks over most of the time so it shouldn’t hit your gas bill.
Stoner – not a scooby tbh. There is a bunch of valves and pipes in a cupboard tucked away in a recess in the lounge. There are 3 wall mounted thermostats, one in the guest room, one in the lounge and one in the kitchen, each with temperature dials…which seem to ‘click’ when i tuern them to 23C.Posted 6 years ago
can you take a pic of the manifold?
I assume then that you have room thermostats that open or close motorised valves on your manifold.Posted 6 years ago
as wrecker says, if the bimetal strip is responding to “23degs” then it’s either 23 degrees in your house or you thermostats are a little out, in which case set them to, say, 18degrees + 23degrees – current temp.
looks like 6 zones, (6 grey cables). If there are only 3 thermostats then I assume that there are 2 zones per room.
uponor motorised valves
Why is there a thermostatic valve on the supply side? Is it a crude “mixer” as opposed to a flow and return blending valve? That white twiddly thing on the left needs to be open, i.e. the air temp needs to be below the setting to allow hot water to flow to the manifold. seems a weird place to have one.
To check everything is working, turn the three thermostats up high so they switch.
Turn the white twiddly thing up high so its not restricting flow and then check that whatever is controlling the flow pump (white wire to the grey pump) is turned on.
You should see the flow gauges (black towers on the top of the manifold) all showing a flow rate to each zone.
* whats written on the piece of wood?*Posted 6 years ago
wtf is that TRV doing? blending valve is top right stoner, above the pump.
check the flow rates as said and just feel the pipes. if they;re all hot, then you have one of two things.
1) blockage, unlikely
2) the thermal mass the pipes are in is not having enough time to warm upPosted 6 years ago
Don’t turn the thermostatic valve up on the left it is how the water temp is managed by the underfloor. Turn it up too high and you will cook your floors possible damaging coverings and it is also unhealthy.
Is should be set according to your floor type.
I assume the underfloor has been working ok? If so it is something that has changed, usually an electrical component gone wrong, open up all the room thermostats and see if the heads open on the manifold. You should be able to tell because the window on the gauge on the return manifold will show a flow rate change.
Turn the room thermostats as high as they will go to make sure they are calling for heat. Remove cover and check with a multimeter to see if they are sending a signal.
Check to see if you have a supply to the manifold pump.
Check manifold pump is rotating.
Investigate the manifold junction box if nothing obvious has been found yet.
The system pump (in the boiler probably) could push the water round one u/floor loop but is probably not man enough for the whole system hence checking u/f pump.
You could have air trapped in a loop or two.
You could always ask a plumber who knows a bit about u/floor to have a look, most of the manufacturers have a recommended list for a certain area. Happy to help more if you like.
mail me at timATj-twren.eclipse.co.ukPosted 6 years ago
ah, so the capillary link is replacing the air temp function?
Much prefer a nice mixer valve myself 😉
Anyway, I think we’re all agreed on the method to identify which bit isnt working.
all thermostats on, pump on, check for flow rate in each zone. then work from there.Posted 6 years ago
Stoner – I have used David Robbens systems for ages now, they used to use mixers, got rid of them as uneccesary and another valve to go wrong.Posted 6 years ago
I’ve tried other companies but they have been a great company to work with, I even get to try out some new things for them on some of my projects sometimes!
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