Build that wall.

No pasaran

C’mon, be fair. While I agree it’s good news, it’s hardly the same here as it is in the US.

not like you to start a religion thread….. have fun 😕

Great news – next target should be to ban all religious teaching from schools.

Is it Friday already?

Does creationism actually get taught in science lessons over here anyway? I know it happens in the US in certain states, but I’ve not come across it in the UK.

Either way, a good thing. If we’re having religion in schools at all it should be in RE classes, definitely not in the science class room.

I don’t really understand how you’d teach it as a scientific theory anyway. It’s not as if kids at a pretty low level of scientific understanding won’t turn around and say something like: “Actually, there isn’t any proof of this creationism theory, it’s not like evolutionary theory which although still a theory has some stuff to back it up, where’s the fossil records and DNA history to back it up?”.

I think I may have missed something in the debate tho’.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LvcOcv9wcA[/video]

Great news – next target should be to ban all religious teaching from schools.

+1

Non story. Creationism isn’t taught in science classes anyway

BlindMelon – Member

Non story. Creationism isn’t taught in science classes anyway

It’s not supposed to be.
But it is.

Great news – next target should be to ban all religious teaching from schools.

Indoctrination, no. But to not teach young people about the religious beliefs held by most of the world’s population seems to be a bit odd, to say the least. And I say that as an atheist.

I wonder how much of this is as a result to the “trojan horse” schools incident?

I believe one of the concerns raised by Ofsted was that pupils had been told in Biology class that “evolution is not what we believe”.

Non story. Creationism isn’t taught in science classes anyway

It’s not supposed to be.
But it is.

Where ?

religious beliefs held by most of the world’s population

Are they really held by most of the population? Anyway, IMO, it should just be taught the same as history – eg factual – for social context but not as a separate class – eg RE.

As to creationism being taught now, I don’t believe that it is beyond no doubt a very small number of exceptions. I guess what the effects of this ruling though is that it never should take hold.

Great news – next target should be to ban all religious teaching from schools

+2

Schools should be about facts and learning, not fairy stories.

Where ?

So – you didn’t watch the video I posted, then…

Top 5 Lies Taught By Accelerated Christian Education

http://www.christian-education.org/schools/choosing-a-school/uk-schools/

The schools paid for by Peter vardy are “creationist” I’m sure there will be more

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCL4dXUtblg[/video]

So – you didn’t watch the video I posted, then…

No I didn’t.

Because I’m on my phone. Hope that’s ok with you.

Well, watch it, then.

When you get off your phone.

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes. I haven’t watched any videos – if the evidence is overwhelming I shouldn’t need to watch a video. I did see this in your first link though :

The parties acknowledge that creationism, in this sense, is rejected by most mainstream churches and religious traditions, including the major providers of state funded schools such as the [Anglican] [Catholic] Churches, as well as the scientific community.

My entire education was in local authority maintained (ILEA) catholic schools, I was only ever taught evolution in science classes. I know of no one who was taught creationism in place of the theory of evolution.

More appropriate than titling this thread “Stand by for whining religious apologists” would have been “Stand by for whining busybodies who are obsessed with other peoples religious views” 💡

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes. I haven’t watched any videos

Well maybe you should? The Newsnight video shows a former pupil of “Accelerated Christian Education” school happily explaining that he was taught Creationism in science classes (alongside evolution).

The “Christian Education Europe” link that Woppit posted lists 33 UK schools teaching the “ACE curriculum”

I’m a Christian (flame away) and welcome this. Facts and substantiated theories in the sciences only, please.

“Whining religious apologists” – 😉

From the Christian Education Europe website:

Our curriculum does point to God as the creator; this is a view we are entitled to hold as there is enough robust debate around the question of evolution/creation within the scientific community itself to make this a valid decision, based on personal choice. Please see the link below to highlight this point.

http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-chapter-1-evolution-creation-science-religion-facts-bias

And its apparently not just Science that they take an alternative approach to:

History is just His-story and should be taught as the unfolding of God’s purposes in the world.

😯

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes. I haven’t watched any videos

Well maybe you should?

Why did you deliberately cut off the end of my sentence ? I explain very clearly why I haven’t :
” I haven’t watched any videos – if the evidence is overwhelming I shouldn’t need to watch a video”.

Presumably leaving the rest of the sentence and not editing my comment would have made your question pointless ?

So how many schools and where are they then ? And how come the majority of faith schools don’t teach creationism in science classes in place of evolution ?

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes. I haven’t watched any videos
Well maybe you should?
Why did you deliberately cut off the end of my sentence ? I explain very clearly why I haven’t :
” I haven’t watched any videos – if the evidence is overwhelming I shouldn’t need to watch a video”.
Presumably leaving the rest of the sentence and not editing my comment would have made your question pointless ?
So how many schools and where are they then ? And how come the majority of faith schools don’t teach creationism in science classes in place of evolution ?

For brevity.

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes.

I posted this link the other day. It doesn’t specifically mention creationism, but it involves the ACE “curriculum” mentioned here.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/accelerated-christian-education-schools-manchester-7290937

Little Johnny Scaramanga can tell you all about it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27681560

“Accelerated Christian Education (ACE), a curriculum imported from the USA… is taught in about 50 independent schools across the UK.”

….is taught in about 50 independent schools across the UK

So how is that relevant to this thread ?

The link is Woppit’s original post, and therefore presumably the subject of this thread, concerns state funded schools – not independent schools.

Eton teaches its pupils that they were born to rule, personally I think that’s bollocks, but since they are an independent school what I think is of no concern to them. And what they teach is of no concern to me.

….is taught in about 50 independent schools across the UK

So how is that relevant to this thread ?

The link is Woppit’s original post, and therefore presumably the subject of this thread, concerns state funded schools – not independent schools.

Eton teaches its pupils that they were born to rule, personally I think that’s bollocks, but since they are an independent school what I think is of no concern to them. And what they teach is of no concern to me.

The ruling affects Free Schools which have state funding.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2013/10/15/comment-how-free-schools-allow-creationists-to-teach-our-chi

So how is that relevant to this thread ?

It’s relevant because you asked:

I can’t see from your links Woppit which UK schools teach creationism in science classes.

and the link I posted (not the duplicate, sorry, the other one) gives you three examples of UK schools using ACE. In the first sentence no less. It couldn’t be more relevant if you autocorrected “elephant”.

Cougar please stop partially quoting ernie_lynch – Member’s posts.

ernie_lynch – Member’s posts must be quoted in their entirety in order for your reply to be valid.

😀

The ruling affects Free Schools which have state funding.

But haven’t been teaching creationism ? It’s a solution to a problem which doesn’t actually exist ?

Thanks for clearing that up. From the tone of some of comments and the tread’s title I was under the impression that there might be a significant problem with state funded faith schools teaching creationism in science classes.

It’s reassuring to learn that this isn’t a problem.

Although I do wonder what the busybodies who are obsessed with other peoples religious views will be whining about next.

ernie_lynch – Member’s posts must be quoted in their entirety in order for your reply to be valid.

You don’t have to quote my posts in their entirety, but not deliberately lobbing off the end of a sentence might save you the bother of asking a question which has already been answered.

Good idea or not ?

Schools should be about facts and learning, not fairy stories.

No literature to be taught, then?

“Eaton teaches its pupils that they were born to rule”
Does it ? The only Eaton pupil I have known never suggested that and was an ardent socialist and hunt saboteur.

codybrennan – Member
Facts and substantiated theories in the sciences only, please.

^^This

konabunny – Member

Schools should be about facts and learning, not fairy stories.

No literature to be taught, then?

That would be in an English class though not science.

“Eaton teaches its pupils that they were born to rule”
Does it ? The only Eaton pupil I have known never suggested that and was an ardent socialist and hunt saboteur.

Well it does according to the Daily Telegraph which I’m sure knows more about what they teach in Eton than me.

Eton boys are taught they were born to rule.

Although I’m happy to be corrected if your ardent socialist and hunt saboteur acquaintance claims differently.

I do however suspect that Eton teaches other stuff which I don’t approve of, so my point remains exactly the same. Thanks for correcting me anyway 🙂

Well it does according to the Daily Telegraph which I’m sure knows more about what they teach in Eton than me.

Yes but you are always going on about how people just believe what they read without thinking… maybe apply some of your own logic.