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  • Sram AXS issues… NOT the hanger !
  • Premier Icon excitable1
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    I’ve been running Sram AXS Eagle on two bikes now for about 9 months, both fitted at the same time. Over the past few rides I’ve noticed the indexing was slightly out on some of the gears and so I’ve had to micro adjust one or two clicks down the cassette but that’s sorted it back to perfect shifting for the rest of the ride, but then it would be out slightly again on the next ride.

    After Wednesdays ride on one bike and Saturdays ride on the other both systems turned into a bag of shite ! I’m actually out of micro adjust positions to use so the mech is as far over as it can be and it still struggles to shift down on some of the gears. It will shift up no problem at all and runs really smooth going up. I’ve replaced the mech hanger on both bikes and I’ve tried a complete run through the set up procedure again checking the limit screws and the b-screw distance. I’ve even tried re-pairing the shifter and mech.

    Anyone experienced the same or got any suggestions please. All I can find on line is ‘replace the hanger’. Also, does anyone have have a number for Sram or ZyroFisher technical support, if such a thing exists.

    Thanks in advance.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Over the past few rides I’ve noticed the indexing was slightly out on some of the gears and so I’ve had to micro adjust one or two clicks down the cassette but that’s sorted it back to perfect shifting for the rest of the ride, but then it would be out slightly again on the next ride.

    Had this with Force AXS on the road, turned out the derailleur bolt was slightly loose – quick tighten and it was fine. Was very odd – perfectly indexed for most of the range but one in the middle just wasn’t right – almost convinced myself I’d bent a sprocket.

    In your case I’d see if a shop can check the derailleur hanger alignment using the Park Tool etc.

    Premier Icon bigyan
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    Did you check the hanger alignment when you fitted the new hanger?

    Premier Icon simondbarnes
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    I would align the hanger

    Premier Icon rhayter
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    I have heard about the loose derailleur bolt issue. SRAM recommend blue loctite on the bolt and 12NM of torque on the bolt, if I remember right. Apparently if the derailleur can rotate around the mounting while riding it can knock the B tension screw out of the correct setting. Shimano derailleurs have a spring around the mounting bolt which prevents this movement. The latest Cycling Tips Nerd Alert podcast covers it (quite near the end in the “ask a mechanic” section).

    Premier Icon excitable1
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    I knew you’d all say hanger, hence the subject title. I’ve put new hangers on both bikes and it’s not made any difference. Also did a full bolt check and nothing is lose.

    Any other suggestions or experiences please ?

    Premier Icon chrisdw
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    Yes but have you checked the new hanger is straight? They often aren’t.

    Short of that… Jockey wheels okay? All the pivots on the mech moving okay?

    Premier Icon mert
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    Any other suggestions or experiences please ?

    Experience = Almost every bike and/or frame delivered needs the hanger aligning. They do not magically come out of the factory straight. Hangers also need aligning when fitting. It’s far more critical on 11/12/13 ratio drivetrains than ever before.

    Suggestion = Align the hanger, in both directions, use a tool.

    Left field suggestions.
    Check the chain and cassette for wear (a proper check, 12″ rule). 9 months through winter could quite easily have killed them.
    Check the freehub bearings and also that the wheel bearings aren’t collapsing, this can move the cassette out of position. Also check you’ve got the wheel fitted properly. (Don’t laugh, i’ve seen people ride around with incorrectly fitted wheels for weeks.) Unlikely to be two bikes at the same time though.

    Premier Icon stumpy120
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    I had an issue which sounds similar. Turned out the the bottom bushing on the pivot that goes through the motor had fallen out (it’s the only one without a retaining clip). Have a look at the bottom of the mech and see if it’s still there. Got the mech replaced on warranty by SRAM.

    Premier Icon v7fmp
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    checked chain stretch?

    I have had AXS for about 2 years now and recently it wasnt as crisp. new chain and fresh bearings in the jockey wheels and its back to flawless shifting.

    Premier Icon bigyan
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    I’ve put new hangers on both bikes and it’s not made any difference.

    Yes, but did you check the alignment after fitting the new hanger?

    Just because its a new hanger does not mean its aligned. Not saying its your issue, but its good to check the basics first; cassette tight, wheel in straight, hanger tight, hanger aligned, mech tight, then go from there. Also check for play in hub, play in freehub, jockey wheel play, play in mech pivots etc etc. 11/12s components performance really goes down with worn parts.

    Premier Icon excitable1
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    I have had AXS for about 2 years now and recently it wasnt as crisp. new chain and fresh bearings in the jockey wheels and its back to flawless shifting.

    Which bearing types are in the jockey wheels ?

    Premier Icon joebristol
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    I think they’re 626 LLB (626-2RS) looking through my last few bearing orders for bikes. Dimensions are 6x19x6.

    Just press out the old one / press in the new one.

    There was a lip that looked bigger on one side of the bearing than the other so I pressed it out as carefully as I could.

    This is GX Eagle anyway – assume the jockeys are the same as AXS.

    Premier Icon stumpy120
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    The jockey wheel bearings are 6x19x6mm

    Premier Icon cnud
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    Are you setting the B screw in the sag position and with the newer white setup tool?

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    I’ve just had my GX AXS mech replaced under warranty as the pivots got very sloppy and shifting went to shit. It got marginally better on the old one with new jockey wheels, chain, cassette and chainring, but still not perfect. It did get >350 rides worth of shifting in 12 months, though.

    Not put it back on yet as it’ll be going on the new frame, so keeping the XX1 mechanEagle on for now.

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    Definitely got the right wheel on the right bike?

    checked the cassette over for misalignment? Hasn’t come loose and moved away from the freehub?

    are the hub and freehub bearings good and free of play

    are you seating the wheel the same each time you install

    Premier Icon fooman
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    It's your hanger

    Hanger alignment
    Jockey wheel play / rotating out of true
    Chain wear (or new chain I sometimes find they need to loosen up a bit)
    Cassette wear

    Premier Icon excitable1
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    Ordered some jockey wheel bearings and some more hangers but I have already replaced the hangers and it made no difference. Everything says it should be the hangers but it can’t be now I’ve replace them with new unused ones. This is on two separate bikes too and its gradually got worse over a few weeks. I’m going to try swapping the mechs over and pairing them with the alternative shifters to see what that does. The b-screw setting has been done using the white tool in the sag position too. No play in the wheel bearings or hub or free hub, all of that gets done regularly. Driving me up the **** wall, especially as it was all running so well for so long, bloody garage gremlins attacking the bikes in the middle of the night I reckon !

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    I’m going to try swapping the mechs over and pairing them with the alternative shifters to see what that does.

    Be amazed if that changes anything as the derailleur is just asked to shift up/down one – so a different shifter is just asking the same thing of it….

    Premier Icon excitable1
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    Be amazed if that changes anything as the derailleur is just asked to shift up/down one – so a different shifter is just asking the same thing of it…

    I know, but I’m running out of ideas !

    Premier Icon fathomer
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    as had been said, except checking the alignment of the hangers. New hangers aren’t always straight

    Premier Icon simondbarnes
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    Everything says it should be the hangers but it can’t be now I’ve replace them with new unused ones.

    Have you actually read anything people have written?

    Premier Icon SirHC
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    Had a freehub sliding on an axle a few weeks back, wrong spacers used, indexing was impossible!

    Premier Icon mandog
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    I wonder if it’s the hanger alignment?

    Premier Icon mert
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    Have you actually read anything people have written?

    Yes, but it’s obviously nothing to do with the hanger, they’ve fitted a new one.

    Premier Icon simondbarnes
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    Yes, but it’s obviously nothing to do with the hanger, they’ve fitted a new one.

    Probably best changing the gear cable next then 😉

    Premier Icon Davesport
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    Yes, but it’s obviously nothing to do with the hanger, they’ve fitted a new one.

    Don’t know if that was tongue in cheek, but a new hanger & correct hanger alignment are in no way related. The alignment needs checking.

    Premier Icon simondbarnes
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    Don’t know if that was tongue in cheek, but a new hanger & correct hanger alignment are in no way related. The alignment needs checking.

    Somebody should have mentioned that earlier!

    Premier Icon mert
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    Maybe the same person? Several same people?
    It’s a million to one chance, but it might just work…

    Premier Icon Davesport
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    Don’t know if that was tongue in cheek, but a new hanger & correct hanger alignment are in no way related. The alignment needs checking.

    Somebody should have mentioned that earlier!

    :o) I read your post Simon but the message doesn’t seem to be getting through.

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    I’m having an odd indexing issue with my GX AXS. My LBS changed the jockey wheels and I got a new chain ring, cassette and chain fitted as it all needed replacing. First couple of rides were perfect, but now in order to change down a gear I have shift down three and up two, the indexing is shot, after previously having consistently great shifting!! Back to my LBS today under the warranty for a quick check over and tune up. Will let you know what’s caused the issue. Still on original mech hanger.

    Premier Icon cappuccino34
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    I’ve been having some issues since swapping my GX AXS to a different (new) bike and it’s been driving me bonkers.

    Anyway, last night I figured out what is going on. The new bike has an XD cassette, and it sits about 2.5mm offset outwards compared to the other one, and there’s not enough range on the micro adjust to make it up, so I’ve had to make a thin shim to go between the frame and hanger, and a second one between the hanger and derailleur bolt.

    I thought that would be that but, alas, no.

    I’ve got other bikes on hand with XX1, X0, GX and NX derailleurs so fortunately I could compare the geometries of each.

    It turns out that the actual shifting part sits much further forward on the AXS because the servo part is much more bulky, and this causes the top idler to be well forward of the cassette compared to the regular derailleur types so the angular deflection of the chain between the idler and the cassette is very much reduced, and it doesn’t always want to shift as a result. I dunno why they didn’t keep the relative positions of the hanger bolt and mech the same and have the servo more rearward of the hanger bolt, but it is what it is, and it’s not the first bit of stupid to be seen on bikes, is it?

    So the solution I’m sure is going to be a new hanger with the derailleur bolt hole further back, to bring the top idler closer to the cassette. Unfortunately it’s going to have to be custom made, but at least I can address the offset issue in both directions with a single solution, rather than the slight ‘bodge’ of fitting shims.

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    Not the same I know but my SRAM Force rear had exactly the same symptoms.I was suffering hanging gears,having to go up 3 and down 2,the indexing was varying all over the place.Turned out that the gear cable had been run bare through the frame and had been rubbing over a plastic guide into which it had worn a deep groove preventing the cable moving smoothly.Peace was restored by running a continuous outer cable through the frame since when shifting has been as good as SRAM gets.

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    Can’t remember which forum i saw this on, but the guts of a SRAM Road mechs are actually quite susceptible to filling up with fine silty crap off the roads when it rains… This kills the indexing (and eventually, the entire mech) needs a good clean, inside and out, and some fresh grease.

    I’ll see if i can find a link. Might be applicable to the MTB mechs as well.

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    Can’t remember which forum i saw this on, but the guts of a SRAM Road mechs are actually quite susceptible to filling up with fine silty crap off the roads when it rains… This kills the indexing (and eventually, the entire mech) needs a good clean, inside and out, and some fresh grease.

    Sounds unlikely – just based on all the people I know with AXS who ride in all weathers and don’t seem to have any problems. 1st Gen AXS Red has being around 5/6 years?

    Premier Icon mert
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    It was eTap, not AXS.
    Just found the thread on weightweenies

    Premier Icon survivor
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    @cappuccino34

    Recently had this exact problem with a customers bike.

    Mech was ultimately sitting too far drive side. Ran out of micro adjust. Couldn’t get shifting correct. ( Worked fine on another bike)

    Just had to notch this up to frame alignment issue/hanger geometry

    Had to give up in the end. Was just flogging a dead horse.

    Premier Icon excitable1
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    Update, starting in response to all those with the banal comments about the hanger and alignment having not read the rest of the thread (@mert; @simondbarnes; @davesport)…

    Have you actually read anything people have written?

    Don’t know if that was tongue in cheek, but a new hanger & correct hanger alignment are in no way related. The alignment needs checking.

    I read your post Simon but the message doesn’t seem to be getting through.

    Despite the fact that this issue is on two separate bikes with two completely different hangers and suspension systems who had their AXS systems fitted at the same time 10 months ago and they were both fitted with two separate brand new hangers this weekend, the problem still exists… I have checked the alignment with a proper alignment tool and guess what… ITS NOT THE HANGER or ALIGNMENT !

    I also changed the bearings in one of the mechs jockey wheels and this offered a bit of improvement but not a great deal and it still needed to be run at the end of the micro adjust.

    So I’ve now fitted a new AXS mech to one of the bikes and its working perfectly again from the off with the micro adjust set at 14, so the problem is clearly in the mech NOT IN THE HANGER. Having compared the old and the new mechs there is definitely more play in the pivots (but not a great deal) in the old one but also some subtle changes in the design. I’ll be changing the mech on the other bike at the weekend and sending them both back for warranty as there is clearly an issue, especially given the more recent replies in this thread which will no doubt prove to be a bit more helpful than some of the earlier ones about the hanger and the alignment.

    Premier Icon jhinwxm
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    Have you checked the Mech hanger and its alignment?

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