- Speed Awareness Course Attendees
Pembo – Member
As there are so many ‘experts’ on this subject has anyone been involved with a community speed watch program? We have a speeding problem through the village so I’m wondering do they work, or if you get a slapped wrist through the post do you just ignore it?
I ignored the one I got (36 in a 30).
At the time I was in a gear with a maximum speed of 30mph, verified by GPS and my speedometer’s known inaccuracy.
Being juvenile is not a crime. 😳Posted 4 years agoaracerSubscriber
It seems to me that, on any given stretch of road, in any given conditions, the faster you drive, the more likely you are to be involved in an accident, and the worse the consequences will be for you and whatever you hit.
Red flag with that?
I just think we’re arguing about different things.
That started way back in the thread when you attempted to argue that breaking a speed limit (any speed limit no matter how inappropriate) makes somebody a bad driver – bad enough that they shouldn’t be on the road if going on a course didn’t change their driving habits. Then when that assertion was challenged, you and others came out with a load of strawmen.Posted 4 years agoSpeederSubscriber
molgrips – Member
That’s really not the point. You were speeding, end of.
In the future maybe we’ll have intelligent computer systems that’ll be able to assess how safe we are and penalise you based on that – then maybe we’ll be able to abolish absolute speed limits. But as of now, we’re not.
This is about law, and you have to have absolute measurable facts in law, otherwise people will be able to wriggle out of it.
Just learn to stick to the speed limit. It really isn’t hard.
Molgrips, do you actually believe this or are you just trolling? I really can’t tell.Posted 4 years agopondoMember
Red flag with that?
I stand by it – reaction times are the same no matter what speed you’re travelling at, yeah? Whereas the speed of reaction required to respond to what’s in front of you is reduced the faster you’re going, on any given stretch of road. And energy is the square of velocity, so double the speed and you’ve got four times the energy/take four times longer to stop? I’m not good enough at maths to be able to say how much quicker you’ll be going when you hit something, but more energy in a crash is surely less desirable than less energy. Do tell me if I’ve got any of that wrong, but it therefore seems to me that, on any given stretch of road, in any given conditions, the faster you drive, the more likely you are to be involved in an accident, and the worse the consequences will be for you and whatever you hit. I’ll give you one exemption (driving too slowly ona busy dual carriageway or motorway is damned dangerous), but otherwise, I think it’s broadly not far off. I’m always prepared to be corrected, though.
That started way back in the thread when you attempted to argue that breaking a speed limit (any speed limit no matter how inappropriate) makes somebody a bad driver – bad enough that they shouldn’t be on the road if going on a course didn’t change their driving habits. Then when that assertion was challenged, you and others came out with a load of strawmen.
In response to –
Really? Doesn’t that depend on how good your driving standard is before going on the course? Maybe it’s those who require such a course in order to learn to drive competently who’s place on the roads should be in question.
I said –
I think by definition, if you’ve had to go on a speed awareness course, the quality of your driving is not as good as it could be, to say the least. If you take corrective advice on board, where’s the issue? If you choose to ignore the advice, then I’d say yeah, I question whether you should be on the roads.
It all ties in with people having an overoptimistic opinion of their own standard of driving, and I’m as guilty of that as the next person. The difference between me and the person who says “nah, I didn’t learn anything” is that I’m trying to change, hopefully for the better.
And yeah, I think there’s merit in that, too – if you’ve been caught speeding, go on a speed awareness course and come away thinking “nah, b0ll0cks – I ain’t changing”, then you ain’t really someone I’ll be overjoyed to share the road with.
The “arguing about different things” quote was in response to –
Its the legal speed limit and we may not like driving at its tough shit etc
80 mph is fine on the motorway
Both views apparently being held simultaneously by the same person. Its doublethink Orwell would be proud of!Posted 4 years ago
Which is, I think, a different thing.
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