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  • Specialized butcher t9
  • oscillatewildly
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    any one used one for any legnth of time yet? whats the rolling resistance like on it? is it comparable to a 3c maxx grip or maxx terra?

    tempted to try one as i need a new front tyre for summer, looks very similar to a DHF so should be a good all rounder?

    maybe try pairing it with a eliminator out back in t7 compound for a bit faster rolling?

    Hob-Nob
    Free Member

    It’s no-where near as grippy as a MaxxGrip, I would put it as worse than a MaxxTerra.

    Every time I borrow a Spesh, I’m reminded how shyte their tyres are. 😆

    Even in the ‘22 great tyre shortage, I am running a haggard Assegai & DHR2 over a set of brand new Butcher/Elimiators I have in the garage loft.

    Yak
    Full Member

    Yes, am on that combo now. I reckon the t9 is more grippy than a dhf maxxterra. I have not ridden a maxx grip though. It rolls fine on the front though with a t7 eliminator on the back.

    I am sat here concussed though. I am fairly certain it wasn’t the tyre though. More a moment of ambition and speed outrunning skill. Probably shouldn’t be looking at this screen either.

    Yeah, the tyre is good for dry/summer stuff. Go for something else in the slop though.

    Tracey
    Full Member

    I’ve been running a Grid Trail T9 one on the front for a couple of weeks that came with the new bike. Prior to that I was using the Blck Dmnd ones on our other bikes and still are.

    Not had a problem with the grip so far but only used it in the dry. The Blck Dmnds we use all year round. Have tried numerous other brands and compounds including Maxxis and just don’t get on with them. Usually end up selling them on or giving them away.

    The Grid Trail T9 sidewalls aren’t as thick sidewalls and are more flexible than the Blck Dmnds but I have the Grid Gravity T9s in the garage loft to fit once I get round to it

    The standard Butchers that come on many Spesh bikes are hateful things, they have tried to kill me on numerous occassions, wet and dry

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    hmmmmm very mixed bag then so far!!

    hobnob have messaged you on PB

    it looks so similar to a dhf (which i love for summer) so was thinking it would be a comparable cheaper alternative, now not so sure ha!

    chakaping
    Free Member

    Had to smile when I was listening to an interview with Jared Graves the other day, he said the compound on the previous gen Spesh tyres was “like concrete” – which resonated with me for sure.

    He was slagging Spesh off and blaming them for his struggles after leaving Yeti, as they wouldn’t let him ride Maxxis despite them initially not making a thick enough carcass and then getting that sorted, but making the tread from everlasting rubber.

    I actually quite like the Eliminator in that hard compound on the rear – in the dry obvs.

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    yeah similar thinking for the rear – its not going to be any worse than a aggressor surely out back in summer? ive always managed to survive on one of them even in the wet summers we have, if anything it looks like it would fair better than a aggressor out back if its remotely wet, plus i only use exo casing on the rear anyways, so always used to a harder compound (assuming its not brick brick hard the spesh casing)

    VanHalen
    Full Member

    i used butchers for years. mainly as they were cheap. they are rubbish in comparison to a maxxis dhf. but they do roll nicely and in the dry they are fine.

    as above the eliminator on the rear is actually really good. much better than my current softish hans dampf.

    enigmas
    Free Member

    I have a T9 grid trail butcher on the back, seems okay. Rolls worse than a maxxterra dhr2 imo, but better than a mary or assegai.

    Grip wise was really good to start with, but after 200 miles the centre tread has rounded off and braking traction has became noticeably worse. One thing I do like is that the tyre feels really planted and muted when compared to an exo casing.

    chakaping
    Free Member

    Just to be clear, they have changed manufacturer since the concrete tyres (which I have a couple of) – the new ones couldn’t possibly be that hard, so I’d happily buy the new Eliminator as a rear tyre.

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    cool – i cant see how a eliminator would a terrible choice really unless it has weak sidwalls? the t7 compound will be around where a EXO only casing is – seems like it will roll well and with bigger side lugs over a aggressor

    front is the tricky one then – mixed reviews, and dont want to lose any grip if possible but dont also want a sticky/slow rolling mess up front! i defo wouldnt run one on the back though thats for sure

    nickc
    Full Member

    He was slagging Spesh off and blaming them for his struggles after leaving Yeti

    Nothing to do with him being knackered and old then 🤣 Hasn’t he retired anyway?

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    what about the t7 compound butcher?

    t7 is the equivalent of maxxis maxx terra?
    t9 is the equivalent of maxxis maxx grip?

    any one comment on that at all? t7 will last longer in summer and not be so draggy

    joebristol
    Full Member

    The T7 is a harder / less grippy compound isn’t it?

    I’ve got a T7 hillbilly and it’s been largely ok – but then I’m mostly using it in slop when the tread is more important than the compound.

    Nothing really sticks to wet roots so I haven’t found T7 any better / worse than anything else I’ve used for that sort of thing – Addix Soft Magic Mary / Gum-X Wild Enduro etc.

    I suspect T7 isn’t going to be great on wet rock – not sure if T9 is a step forward on that. Reading online reviews it suggests the T9 butcher is nicely damped for rocky stuff but it’s not great in certain wet conditions. Will update how I find my new T9 butcher once I’ve used it – should get out on it this weekend and maybe Thursday night too – depending on which bike I take / if it’s pouring with rain or not.

    chakaping
    Free Member

    Nothing to do with him being knackered and old then 🤣 Hasn’t he retired anyway?

    He’s talking about his spell at Spesh from 2015-19.

    He joined them in 2015 as reigning EWS champ.

    chiefgrooveguru
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    The current T7 is the same as the Gripton compound they had for a few years. T9 is softer/slower rebound. T5 is harder/quicker rebound. T7 lasts a really long time for how grippy it is but I’d say it’s not as grippy as MaxTerra or Addix Soft, more like 60a Maxxis (but rolls faster and wears better). I’ve got Hillbilly 2.6 Grid and Butcher 2.3 Grid Trail on my Levo at the moment and they’re pretty good. Had Eliminator 2.3 and Butcher 2.6 on the back too, Eliminator was faster but less grip, Butcher 2.6 Grid too squirmy.

    Quite a mix of reviews out there on the T9 – I wonder if the poor wet conditions reviews are because the compound doesn’t like the wet or because they were brand new tyres that hadn’t lost the mould release agent? Lots of very positive reviews about the T9 compound so I’d happily gamble on one.

    The current Butcher tread pattern isn’t as much like a DHF as people think – it’s more of a halfway house between the DHF and the DHR2 (and the extra braking grip confirms that!)

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    yeh guess you’ll never know till you try – ill give it a punt – im unsure id need the stickyness of a t9 but then sounds like the t7 wont be as grippy as a maxx terra

    i cant see the eliminator being a issue out back its going to roll fairly quick and has a decent enough side lug for some grip in summer, only think i dont know is how the sidewalls compare to exo etc, as i rarely rarely puncture even on just EXO (talking 2 times in a 5 years!)

    BillOddie
    Full Member

    I have been running the 2.6 Butcher in T9 Grid Trail flavour and it’s been really confidence inspiring in the “mixed” conditions we’ve had this winter.  The compound isn’t super super soft, but Specialized say it’s slower rebounding rather just sticky.

    I ran it with a 2.3 BlckDmnd sticky as a sticky thing Butcher on the back for a bit but then swapped it out for an Eliminator in T7 Grid Trail to save the legs a bit and thats been OK but not great in the slop but that’s not a surprise.

    For the same same money as a single Maxxis at RRP, Butcher and Eliminator combo is easy enough to live with and has more than sufficient grip.

    sharkattack
    Full Member

    These new fancy compounds sound fine but have the sorted out the casings? I last lost my patience with Specialized tyres after a pair of Grid’s which were wobbly and fragile.

    I’m now looking at them again mostly due to the price of the competition. I just want a pair of fast rolling tyres for riding out from home but I don’t want to shred them when I get to the trails.

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    @billoddie

    thats my thinking for the cost and availability of maxxis its worth a shot – how does it roll as a pairing with t9 butcher/ t7 eliminator? a good all round rolling package or does the front t9 really slow it down? i wouldnt use the eliminator in winter at all – but hopefully thats a long way off yet

    BillOddie
    Full Member

    a good all round rolling package or does the front t9 really slow it down?

    Rolls fine.

    Not had an issue with the 4 specialized tyres with regards to casings warping.  Maxxis, however…

    oscillatewildly
    Free Member

    yep my current dhf has warped very noticebale at speed up front – annoying as hell as its got tonnes of life left too

    hence this thread……ill take a punt on them

    kimbers
    Full Member

    I have been running the 2.6 Butcher in T9 Grid Trail flavour and it’s been really confidence inspiring in the “mixed” conditions we’ve had this winter.

    I’m running one too and agree, only had it on a few weeks but so far so good, it’s replaced a soft magic mary so something decent to compare too

    gribble
    Free Member

    I’ve got a Stumpy that came with the T7 Butcher up front. I have since swapped it out for a T9 Butcher (and over winter I have been running the T9 Hillbilly). The T9 models I have is their gravity one, rather than trail. Both are 2.3 width 29er.

    I have to say I like the T9 compound. I am not a good rider but I have found it gives me confidence (it may be a placebo affect), but feel like they provide decent grip. I am a massive Maxxis fan, so pleasantly surprised. I am using the tyres that came with the bike as rears/spares – keeping the grip up front.

    I have had experience in the past with some Spesh tyres being far too thing (leaking sealent bad etc), but these all seem fine.

    onehundredthidiot
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    I’ve been running a hilly Billy on front and a purgatory on back all winter on my hard tail. A winter of tweed valley fun. Makes the rear ideal for getting round behind a planted front wheel.
    I like specialized tyres. Mrs has a s-works racing butcher which is super sticky, I’m stealing it for the Alps.

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