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  • So…who’s going to be our next PM?
  • jam-bo
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    compared to the beginning of this year I’m going to be paying an extra £700 a month

    only heat the west wing? 😉

    5lab
    Full Member

    htf do you end up spending £700/month more on gas/electricity?

    anyway, if you assume the tory membership is overwhelminly from the top 40% of households by income (this is a corse guess on my behalf), the average income of those households (not individuals) after tax is £50k. an extra £2.5k per year is a 5% drop from that figure, which is signifiant, but I would argue is mostly affordable, for them.

    ElShalimo
    Full Member

    @dazh – why is your bill so high? that’s astronomical.

    Do you have pet sharks or something?

    dazh
    Full Member

    htf do you end up spending £700/month more on gas/electricity?

    Old farmhouse with a gas aga (which we’re in the process of getting rid of). We were paying £250ish/month on average at the beginning this year. That went up to £500/month in April, and now that’s going to go up another 80% so it’ll be approaching £900/month I reckon. The last fixed rate quote we got was for £7500 for the year and that looks cheap now. Like I said, I don’t think many people have really grasped the impact on their finances.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices

    I doubt it. Having your heating bill quadruple in price may stop most of us in our tracks… because it was already a large chunk of our outgoings, and we have very little disposable income… not the case for any Conservative Member I know. All too excited about cruises voyages running properly again, and deliberating over when to replace their car that’s only a few years old. They are in the main retired, living in half million pound plus houses and looking into new ways to invest hide away their wealth from a “prying” HRMC.

    super_12
    Free Member

    rone

    Aren’t you constantly leaving threads in a huff?

    What’s the matter? Is dissonance on his hollibobs, so that you and ernietruss have to have this thread on a five second auto-refresh to pick up the slack?

    rone
    Full Member

    What’s the matter? Is dissonance on his hollibobs, so that you and ernietruss have to have this thread on a five second auto-refresh to pick up the slack?

    🙂

    inkster
    Free Member

    My partner has a 2 bed flat in London that was built in the mid 2000’s that was about a thousand square foot.

    Underfloor heating, poor insulation and the electricity bills were about £250 a month 10 years ago! We have the worst constructed and insulated housing stock in Europe. Nearly all the new builds in Manchester where I live now are just as bad.

    I am currently stood on my 7th floor balcony looking at thousands of properties in South Manchester, half red brick, half new build and I can’t see a single solar panel.

    My partner has been renting out the aforementioned property for the last 3 years thank god.

    intheborders
    Free Member

    Brexit had nothing to do with Europe, it was a power grab, nothing more than that

    Can I repeat my oft-repeated comment?

    “Brexit isn’t the destination, it’s the vehicle”

    how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?

    The majority?

    We have no mains gas in our village.

    We’re on oil, the rises have hit us already:
    2020 £1075
    2021 £1480
    2022 £1941 and still another ‘fill’ to go, so circa £3000 in total

    Oh, and firewood was 15% dearer this year than last too.

    My Mum who’s next door is all electric, over £100 per week last winter – double it for this winter and it’d take her entire State Pension to cover it.

    edward2000
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    18 months ago:
    Wife and I on double income
    No kids
    Fixed rate mortgage
    £100 a month energy bills

    Now:
    I work
    We have young twins
    Wife doesn’t work
    Childcare costs (x 2)
    Fixed rate mortgage deal ending soon
    Energy Bills +£500/month in October at an estimate

    We live in a nice house. We earned and worked for it. Our outgoings are greater than our earnings. The only option we realistically see is to sell our house and downsize significantly. There is no help for people like us.

    inkster
    Free Member

    You describe the perfect storm edward2000.

    I can see energy prices having a knock on effect in the housing market.

    You have also described why our birth rate is so low, as having children is more financially perilous than at virtually any time in history.

    Still, we’ve got to ensure that that triple lock pension is preserved at all costs.

    chrismac
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    I assume you knew how expensive kids are before choosing to have them? I agree that energy prices are rising at a ridiculous rate but your decision to have kids was always going to make life a lot more expensive and impact on earnings.

    dazh
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    I can see energy prices having a knock on effect in the housing market.

    They will have an effect on everything if nothing is done. This is how economies collapse. And by collapse I don’t mean recession, job losses, lower wages etc, I mean complete collapse. Devalutation of the currency, disappearance of savings and pensions, collapse in property prices, millions of bankruptcies, 20%+ unemployment etc. It’s depression era stuff.

    Kryton57
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    Wife doesn’t work
    Childcare costs (x 2)

    There’s a simple answer to that assuming there’s not something about your circumstances that we don’t currently understand.

    dazh
    Full Member

    I assume you knew how expensive kids are before choosing to have them?

    Not many people plan to have twins. Besides, if what you’re saying is that this country is too expensive for normal people to raise a family, then that in itself proves that the govt and politicians as a whole have completely failed in their responsibilities.

    binners
    Full Member

    That depends what they regard their responsibilities as being, surely?

    Liz seems to think that her priority at the moment is protecting corporate profits and dividends to shareholders, in which case she appears to be succeeding massively

    dazh
    Full Member

    That depends what they regard their responsibilities as being, surely?

    I would’ve thought providing an economy in which people can afford to have kids is fairly high up the list, even for tories.

    theotherjonv
    Full Member

    rich families can still afford to have kids. Makes you think.

    binners
    Full Member

    They only want the right sort of people breeding though. Hence Boris trying to single-handedly populate the entire country, one filly at time. WUFF!!!

    And less of this sort of thing…

    kimbers
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    Id like to add that having twins is just ridiculously expensive and not something you can control

    When we found out we were pregnant with our 3rd it was a tough decision about what we should do, but we figured we’d be alright as our elder 2 kids weoukd both be in school full time

    When found out it was twins it was a nightmare!

    Finding a grand a month for childcare alone, even if both working is one thing but £2k!

    No longer became viable for us both to work, and of course at this time government brought in 2 child benefit cap….

    We have an ageing population, having kids is cripplingly expensive, government incentiveises you not to have more & also demonises immigrants as a political tool
    And we have a labour shortage and an ever widening productivity gap…… Bonkers populism

    inkster
    Free Member

    @Kimbers.

    Logan’s Run.

    inkster
    Free Member

    “Liz seems to think that her priority at the moment is protecting corporate profits and dividends to shareholders”

    Remember a couple of years back when I started a thread titled: “Corporate Socialism” when the bail out of corporations started?

    The STW consensus at the time was that I was talking bollox. We know that many billions of public money was dished out.

    Money now either sitting in the Cayman Islands or fuelling inflation as the shareholders open the bubbly.

    gauss1777
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    I’m no fan of Nicola Sturgeon, although I do admire how skillfull she is at getting her message across – if only Corbyn had had some of what she has.
    However, this from the Guardian is great 😀:

    She was speaking in a Q&A with the broadcaster Iain Dale, and responding to a question about Truss dismissing Strugeon recently as an “attention seeker”. The comment attracted considerable controversy, partly because it was a slur against an elected head of government, and partly because Truss is not exactly publicity shy herself.

    Sturgeon said when she initially heard about the comment, she thought “it was made up, it was a spoof.” Then she said she met Truss at the Cop26 summit last year, shortly after being interviewed by Vogue. Sturgeon went on:

    That was the main thing she wanted to talk to me about, she wanted to know how she could get into Vogue – and she calls me an attention-seeker. I said to her they came and asked me.
    I didn’t really mean to do this, but I said to her it hadn’t actually been my first time in Vogue, it had been my second time.
    It looked a little bit as if she’d swallowed a wasp.
    I’m sure she’ll be in Vogue before too long.
    I remember it because there we were at the world’s biggest climate change conference in Glasgow, world leaders about to arrive
    That was the main topic of conversation she was interested in pursuing. And once we’d exhausted that it kind of dried up.
    I’m sure we’ll have many more conversations about many more substantive things.
    Asked about her dealings with previous Tory leaders, Sturgeon said:

    I think perhaps uncharitably I described my conversations with Theresa May when she was prime minister, as being soul destroying. I look back somewhat fondly now on that.
    At least May took the job of being prime minister seriously, Sturgeon said. By comparison, dealings with Boris Johnson were “one long bluster”, she said.

    You know, he was a third prime minister I’ve dealt with as first minister. It was literally like nothing I’ve ever dealt with before in terms of any senior politician.
    You know, I’m going to be blunt here, he was a disgrace to the office of prime minister.

    inkster
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    “No longer became viable for us both to work, and of course at this time government brought in 2 child benefit cap….”

    Well I guess the government will say that’s your fault for having twins.

    The cost of living crisis will act like a contraception over the next couple of years.

    Expect the birth rate to decline even further.

    dazh
    Full Member

    Well I guess the government will say that’s your fault for having twins.

    And some people on here it would seem. As if anyone plans to have twins. TBH the barely disguised lack of sympathy for struggling parents is pretty beyond the pale. This ‘it’s you’re own fault for having kids in the first place’ attitude is vile. Who do these people think are going to be paying their pensions in 30 years time?

    Expect the birth rate to decline even further.

    It will, and that’s a very bad thing for any society.

    inkster
    Free Member

    Please let this be the intro music at the next hustings, or at least have it as the outro music on Newsnight..

    binners
    Full Member

    Its obvious that she’s as vacuous as she seems and that she’s actually even more narcissistic and self-regarding than her predecessor.

    From Cameron onwards, how is it possible that they keep getting so much worse, every time?

    It always staggered me that everyone hadn’t seen straight through Johnsons tragic, tired act years ago, but to not see Instagram Liz for what she so obviously is – a preening, vacuous lightweight – is beyond belief

    We’ve all manner of shit heading our way this winter and we’ve got someone who would be out of her depth on a wet pavement to have to deal with it all

    God help us!

    dissonance
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    how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?

    Pah. Remember the tory voters are the greatest generation* and so can shrug off hardships without noticing. When they were lads they had to smash the ice before they could use the water to make porridge every morning and even then they had to grow the oats every day.
    More seriously I am very happy we managed to blackmail/persuade my dad into moving into somewhere smaller which can be heated for a sensible amount rather than our old family home which was a)family sized and b)an absolute arse to keep warm in winter to the extent I could sort of claim the “having to scrape ice of the bedsheets” since it was just freakishly cold although irritatingly didnt carry it through into the summer.

    The question and it is a big one is whether they can divert their failings and say “well everyone is having it hard”. Given the varying exposure to Russia I think, so long as they dont upset Murdoch and co, they might pull it off. See covid for how St Johnson led us through it without issue**.

    *ok so one step removed but they read the commando comics as a kid and so know they could kill fritz with their bare hands.
    ** definition of “issue” highly variable.

    dazh
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    In case anyone isn’t already seething about what’s going on with energy. These f**** should be put up against a wall.

    dissonance
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    From Cameron onwards, how is it possible that they keep getting so much worse, every time?

    The problem is being good at being elected isnt the same thing as being good at the actual job you are applying for.
    I am sure we are all aware of it from either doing interviews or conducting them. Some people are great at selling themselves to an audience whereas others who would be brilliant suck at it.

    She seems very, very good at selling to the relevant audience. I guess the question is how restricted the “relevant” audience is and whether once having sold to them she can change her tactics and sell to everyone else in which case she might end up an asset
    Sadly though I doubt it.

    Personally I wouldnt rate May as worse than Cameron though. He ran away from a pretty much impossible job and left it to her. There were ways she could have done better but ultimately he left her with a mess and ran for the hills. As such I mark him far lower.

    jam-bo
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    She seems very, very good at selling to the relevant audience.

    the fact this is true, shows how **** low the bar is. seriously. is this as good as it gets?

    trailmonkey
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    In case anyone isn’t already seething about what’s going on with energy. These f**** should be put up against a wall.

    Anecdotal I know, but the general reaction when ever I raise these issues at work is usually somewhere between indifference and hostility. People seem to see it as an attack on their own wealth, like you’re asking that they themselves pay more tax.
    We’re still at the stage where Mr and Mrs English want to blame everything on welfare, foreigners and Jeremy Corbyn.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    the fact this is true, shows how **** low the bar is. seriously. is this as good as it gets?

    That you (or me for that matter) doesnt appreciate the tactic doesnt show the bar is low as such.
    Just that it is well targeted at those people who matter, at least in the short term, and not the rest of us.
    Those people are looking past the crap presentation (as they should)and are liking the message (this is where I diverge from them).
    Truss has been good for several years at somehow perfectly nailing the audience (as per her conservative home results). The question is whether this is chance or her being really good at reading the audience that matters in the moment. The latter gives some hope but sadly I do think its a vain hope.

    inkster
    Free Member

    When the ‘relevant audience’ is lower than a shakes belly then you need to start digging even deeper into the mire.

    edward2000
    Free Member

    Er, so, in response to a few comments up there, we didn’t choose to have twins, and 18 months ago we didn’t have a crystal ball. I wish people would think before they speak.

    inkster
    Free Member

    Might be a couple of more woooshes there edward..

    Contrary to admonishing you, many of us appreciate your efforts to prop up the population demographic.

    Klunk
    Free Member

    Please let this be the intro music at the next hustings, or at least have it as the outro music on Newsnight..

    think this is more applicable!

    super_12
    Free Member

    We’re still at the stage where Mr and Mrs English want to blame everything on welfare, foreigners and Jeremy Corbyn.

    And will be for a very long time yet.*

    It is a huge part of the reason we are where we are in the first place.

    *Except the Corbyn bit – it will just be whatever ‘other’ politician get’s up Thick Lizzie’s nose at the time.

    multi21
    Free Member

    dazh
    Full Member

    In case anyone isn’t already seething about what’s going on with energy. These f**** should be put up against a wall.

    WTAF

    binners
    Full Member

    Even the Times are saying that Liz Truss needs to take a serious change of direction from the oversexed Honey monster, break with his hardline supporters and start taking the job of government seriously the second she’s in number ten, given the gathering storm this winter

    The chances of that happening?

    Absolutely zero, I’d say. Probably the very best we can expect from that sock puppet is more of the same, though it’ll likely be even worse

    She’s clearly never had an original thought in her entire life and I expect her to be even more devoid of both ideas and the will to actually DO anything as the clown who went before her.

    She’s even more in thrall to the ultra-Brexiteer nutjobs than Johnson was, so I expect any ‘solutions’ will be left entirely to ‘The Market’ this winter, and we may be about to see the same kind of callous disregard for peoples suffering as we saw from her hero in the 80’s

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