btw, that vid was probably released by himself.

Is that why Sunak’s campaign team spent yesterday trying to minimise the very obvious and totally predictable damage which the video caused?

like the changing the rules to allow kicking out more asylum seekers

Changing the rules as to what it means to seek asylum is a depressing new low. But that it goes against all our international commitments is exactly what “take back control” is all about. The ECHR is the new bogey man trying to make us be humane and fulfil our international responsibilities to our fellow humans… [Sunak doesn’t mention that our existing commitments go beyond the ECHR, but even he (and the party members) are not ready to blame the UN yet].

On immigration, Sunak has a simple – and quite chilling – plan. He will drop out of the ECHR and "change the definition of 'asylum'", which is "exploited by lefty lawyers", to one that "will allow us to reject more people". Wow. It's a sprint to the far right. ~AA #BattleForNo10 pic.twitter.com/xQyLFf7xt4

— Best for Britain (@BestForBritain) August 4, 2022

It’s the Australian system that’s being cited again. A quick summary by the UNHCR…

https://www.unhcr.org/asylum-in-australia.html

That “unfair protest”…

BREAKING: Tonight we confronted @trussliz at the Tory leadership hustings about her shameful role in the cost of living crisis.

Millions will face huge energy bills this winter, while her Government backs climate wreckers like BP & Shell making BILLIONS.

Green New Deal now ✊ pic.twitter.com/mP4ufEbQtU

— Green New Deal Rising (@GNDRising) August 5, 2022

I shudder to think, Truss making a u turn before even being in power. No thank you

I wish neither could be

Truss went all Trumpy blaming the media for Johnson’s downfall at hustings tonight

Tom Newton Dunn caught on mic telling Liz attacking the media "is cheap and you know it" after she jokingly apologises for doing so pic.twitter.com/N0ekSmui7p

— Calgie (@christiancalgie) August 9, 2022

She’s an awful public speaker

It’s all gone a bit “pork markets!” pic.twitter.com/lvCNm1evAN

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) August 9, 2022

@kelvin “go back to your own country”

Should we really expect anything better?

Liz4LOLZ!!

She’s an awful public speaker

I reckon that might well work in her favour. Most people are very poor public speakers and Truss not being particularly good is likely to make her appear more normal and someone which the public can identified with. Especially among people who are truly fed up with slick and professionally polished politicians.

Mind you her soon to be opposite number in the Labour Party is also a pisspoor public speaker. Although in his case it is based on a boring monotone delivery and remarkable lack of enthusiasm in his own beliefs, rather than a lack of fluidity, so probably not so much of a counter-threat.

“@kelvin “go back to your own country”
Should we really expect anything better?”

Do keep up, the new trope is:

‘Send them back from where they don’t come from.’

Especially among people who are truly fed up with slick and professionally polished politicians.

That may have some gravitas were it not for the fact she’s running to replace someone who uses the term “burst sofa” as his professional image. And look where that got us.

Those slick and professionally polished politicians, eh?…

Well, it seems that some reality might actually finally be entering proceedings and we’re now getting the grudging acknowledgement from the candidates for the top job that everyones fuel bills hitting £4,200+ might represent a slight problem that may possibly need addressing

Good of them to finally acknowledge the elephant in the room

Of course they have no answers other than the usual flannel from Truss that somehow giving corporate tax cuts is going to magically help someone trying to exist on Universal Credit and some unspecified ‘help’ from Rishi

Its going to be an ‘interesting’ winter

Those slick and professionally polished politicians, eh?…

You are not aware of Johnson’s strong voter appeal?

You thought that he became PM despite his bumbling persona, because of his overwhelming intellectual qualities?

Of course they have no answers other than the usual flannel from Truss that somehow giving corporate tax cuts is going to magically help someone trying to exist on Universal Credit and some unspecified ‘help’ from Rishi

Don’t worry, Labour will soon come up with some “answers”. Then the Tories will be in trouble.

However good those answers will be (and they will be crap) it is irrelevant as far as I know the tories are currently in power.

Don’t worry, Labour will soon come up with some “answers”. Then the Tories will be in trouble.

Well they blatantly nicked their last ‘answer’ after rubbishing it for months, watered it down (obviously), then sold it to the electorate as their own.

Do you never get bored of bringing everything back to labour? Because Christ only knows, the rest of us are. Can you not keep that to the Keir Starmer thread that the 5 of you are so busy thwapping each other daft in furious agreement on, then the rest of us can avoid it and you?

This is a thread about the Tory leadership contest, lets keep it on topic eh, considering the significance that will have for us all

The inability of the Tory leadership contenders to provide answers cannot somehow in be discussed in isolation with the alternatives, despite your bizarre aversion to ever mentioning the Opposition.

Although intense criticism whilst providing no answers is very much the binners way. Even it would appear, when criticising Tories for not providing answers.

*yawns*

Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?

The Keir Starmer lefty moanfest is that way. >>>

Try and keep the noise down, there’s a good chap

Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?

Erm, quite a lot – I have made my views fairly clear. I don’t however see the role of UK Prime Minister in isolation with the opposition that they will be faced with. Why would anyone do that – unless they were somehow embarrassed by the poor quality of the Opposition?

Try and keep the noise down, there’s a good chap

When someone relies on patronising insults it is a fair indication that they lack the confidence to offer a coherent argument.

When are the five or six so-called ‘lefty’ suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?

The tension is unbearable.

Welcome back Danny, I did wonder how long your declaration of never again frequenting a political thread would last.

Not very long apparently.

Nice of you to reply so quickly, ernietruss.

Don’t worry, Labour will soon come up with some “answers”.

Labour are all on f***** holiday! Not a single one of them has had anything to say in the past 24 hours. Energy prices combined with the tory leadership contest is the biggest open goal they’ve ever been presented with, and they’ve decided they can’t be arsed. And then when they realise the enormity of it they’ll propose something that Truss or Sunak with easily outbid.

She’s an awful public speaker

Just in case you were in any doubt:

(may have been posted already)

Some of it is so cringesome that I had to just look away….

*yawns*

Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?

The Keir Starmer lefty moanfest is that way. >>>

Try and keep the noise down, there’s a good chap

Look at the state of this logic – when the ‘lefty’ Laboury bloke you supported hasn’t got any answers to:

a) The worst government of our times
b) Potentially the worst economic melt-down of our times.

To think that’s irrelevent to this thread.

The sooner you realise Starmer’s failing is linked to the Tories success – the better for all of us.

The tedium is all yours, and circle-jerkery is definitely at home here.

Some of it is so cringesome that I had to just look away….

What can you say to that….. We’re doomed, we’re doomed.

This is all so frightening to contemplate.

When are the five or six so-called ‘lefty’ suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?

The tension is unbearable.

Centrism masquerading as left-wing has just blown its own cover.

Aren’t you constantly leaving threads in a huff?

The inability of the Tory leadership contenders to provide answers cannot somehow in be discussed in isolation with the alternatives, despite your bizarre aversion to ever mentioning the Opposition.

Well because this thread is just a grafity wall for angry centrists coming to terms with their failed market solutions built on a Tory economic model. So when a Tory lets them down – they are let down.

“When are the five or six so-called ‘lefty’ suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?”

I was thinking, what the Tories need is someone who voted Brexit but actually understands the problems involved with regard transport and logistics, administrative workloads etc and knows how to negotiate.

Step forward Mick Lynch..

I was thinking, what the Tories need is someone who voted Brexit but actually understands the problems involved with regard transport and logistics, administrative workloads etc and knows how to negotiate.

Step forward Mick Lynch..

Not going to work as they don’t like collective power from the working class.

The Tories have become nothing more than a protest party, rather than win general elections and proceed to implement manifesto commitments they choose to campaign in perpetuity.

They were elected on the platform of getting Brexit done but ‘No Deal’ means the opposite of getting Brexit done, it means doing nothing.

They instead put all their energies into laws protecting statues and characterise anyone who doesn’t agree with them as anti British, threatening to report them to Prevent.

However good those answers will be (and they will be crap) it is irrelevant as far as I know the tories are currently in power.

They could set the bar too high for the Tories to climb?

50 billion bail-out package for ColC ?- supporting payment of bills – in broad strokes. (instead of insulation)

Now there a rumours that Truss might go for this when/if elected. So not much too lose and everything to play for. The public will be on the side of the first party that offers a solution.

I’m assuming the ‘no plans to help’ line is to appeal to the conservative party membership. once that hurdle is passed she’ll pivot.

not helping would strike me as electoral suicide. people won’t forget in a hurry

“Not going to work as they don’t like collective power from the working class.”

Whoosh…

As they used to say.

I wasn’t being serious with the Mick Lynch comment, rather observing the irony that if he were doing Grant Schapps and JRM’s job we wouldnt be seeing the queue’ s we are seeing at Dover, he would have anticipated the logistical problems and would have planned for them.

He would also have been able to negotiate a better resolution to the Northern Irish border problem, probably recognising that a No Deal was unworkable.

Brexit had nothing to do with Europe, it was a power grab, nothing more than that

I’m assuming the ‘no plans to help’ line is to appeal to the conservative party membership.

A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices, they probably haven’t realised it yet and assume it only affects the poor.

not helping would strike me as electoral suicide. people won’t forget in a hurry

Just as Johnson/Sunak realised the enormity of covid and it’s potential to collapse the economy, Truss will do the same. The question is whether it’ll be too late by then. If however she digs her heels in and decides to take an ideological approach as she’s currently suggesting, the govt itself could collapse under the weight of public outrage. It might sound overly dramatic, but this is the stuff of revolutions.

A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices,

everyone is going to suffer

how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?

Whoosh…

As they used to say.

Hard to tell these days. Lol

It might sound overly dramatic, but this is the stuff of revolutions tutting and eye-rolling.

FTFY

A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices, they probably haven’t realised it yet and assume it only affects the poor.

i think they’d probably wear the price increases than help the poor…

reminded me of this. sentiment is the same…

Starving • my two pence on the UK government refusing to feed starving children #FeedTheChildren #FreeSchoolMeals pic.twitter.com/JmnBMedt4m

— amii.illustrates (@AmiiIllustrates) January 14, 2021

how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?

And the rest! Based on Martin Lewis’s comments yesterday, compared to the beginning of this year I’m going to be paying an extra £700 a month. I’m not sure the magnitude of the extra expense has sunk in yet. When it does all hell will break loose.

FTFY

If they do nothing this is going to be way bigger than the poll tax. Truss may well achieve her ambition of emulating Thatcher.

how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?

We have no mains gas in our village.

For some people with only electric heating, it’s going to be more than that.