So who uses TOR to surf the web

It’s probably worth not posting too much online about your usage.

Sure. Of course, this is a hypothetical discussion.

clients are going to be increasingly open to finding themselves in trouble, as new DRM tech starts making tracking easier.

DRM is an interesting one. The more companies try to restrict usage, the harder people are going to resist. If I buy a film, say, it’s mine, and I want to play it on whatever playback device I chose. If I buy an album, I don’t expect it to suddenly disappear from my collection if the record label goes bust. If I buy a book, I want to be able to lend to a mate when I’ve finished, or, heaven forbid, give it to someone else. This isn’t buying, it’s rental in all but name.

The second hand market is the elephant in the room here, companies see no revenue from it so they’d love to be able to kill it. Microsoft proposed this with the Xbox One, and got such a lambasting for it that they back-pedalled.

Adding new DRM techniques to existing technologies is hard, for compatibility reasons. You’re not going to be able to, for example, add ‘DRM 2.0’ to DVDs, as current players won’t understand it. You need to integrate your new protection into forthcoming formats from the outset. Games consoles are a good example of this; compare piracy levels of the original Playstation software with that of the PS2, or PS3. I’ve probably seen more copied PS1 games in people’s collections than originals, but don’t think I’ve ever seen a pirated PS3 game.

Quick poll of office colleagues suggests a high majority of people don’t know what pirate bay is.

Don’t know exactly what it is, or never heard of it at all? It was all over the news for months.

Top hint for Gary in a similar vain to this:

The pirate bay isn’t an actual bay for actual marine pirates 😉

It was all over the news for months.

And then forgotten about by those that are not interested.

Here’s some stats on file uploads to pirate bay

According to a study of newly uploaded files during 2013 by TorrentFreak, 44% of uploads were television shows and movies, porn was in second place with 35% of uploads, and audio made up 9% of uploads.

So I’m not completely wrong in my daily mail style assumption.

Thanks whatnobeer but I have an iCloud account, iPhone, Ipad, etc. I just don’t sit in my bedroom at night in front of three monitors downloading free shit.

Gary_M’s office….

And then forgotten about by those that are not interested.

So they did know what it was and have forgotten? Not a lot I can do about that; seems odd to me to be discussing something you have no interest in.

So I’m not completely wrong in my daily mail style assumption.

Sorry, you’ll have to help me here, I’m not seeing the percentage for “child porn.”

I just don’t sit in my bedroom at night in front of three monitors downloading free shit.

I’m not sure any of us here do. As Cougar has already pointed out, there are legit and almost legit reasons for wanting access to torrent portals. You still seem to be operating under the assumption that anyone accessing the pirate bay, using torrents or TOR is likely to be doing something illegal or immoral.

Sorry, you’ll have to help me here, I’m not seeing the percentage for “child porn.”

Who wants to look at images of dead children.

In September 2008, the Swedish media reported that the public preliminary investigation protocols concerning a child murder case known as the Arboga case had been made available through a torrent on The Pirate Bay. In Sweden, preliminary investigations become publicly available the moment a lawsuit is filed and can be ordered from the court by any individual. The document included pictures from the autopsy of the two murdered children, which caused their father Nicklas Jangestig to urge the website to have the pictures removed.[76] The Pirate Bay refused to remove the torrent. The number of downloads increased to about 50,000 a few days later

Thats me on the left kimbers. You’re funny though, predicatble, but still very witty.

used to use it to access the usual iPlayer etc. catchup services from outside UK.
incredibly slow for the browsing part, but once the vids play they’re fine since they go P2P.
ditto for getting around the GEMA music royalty cartel nonsense which blocks about 60% of youtube in Germany, since they have a constitutional right to assume royalty collection powers on ALL music unless the owner of that music instructs them otherwise.

use a UK based server now, with SSH tunneling to do that. I have nothing to hide, other than the physical location of myself at the time of watching mainstream broadcast TV.

Sky and the beeb will be after those that re-stream, not the handful of expats wanting to watch telly.

Who wants to look at images of dead children.

Still not child porn. I can’t begin to speculate on why someone might have an interest in a document detailing preliminary investigations into a (presumably) high profile murder case, though from your post it would seem that it was something publicly available from direct channels anyway. I don’t doubt that not everyone’s interest was strictly healthy, but it seems somewhat disingenuous to cherry-pick one component of the report and conclude that everyone who downloaded it was a necrophillic nonce. If I was to guess, I’d expect that for most downloaders “morbid curiosity” was the primary motivation.

And that’s one document in gods know how many files make it to TPB and similar. Wikipedia has photos of genitalia; shall we close the web?

Really? Arrested for streaming content? I know there was an arrest regarding camming in the cinema, uploading a torrent and then selling fake DVDs, but haven’t seen anything regarding streaming.

see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29016566

If I buy a film, say, it’s mine, and I want to play it on whatever playback device I chose

wanting to and it being legal to do so, are two different things 🙂 I’m not going to get into the whole media-usage, copyright and piracy debate as we’ll be here all year…and my job determines my attitude to this anyway.

My point was although piracy and copyright violation will always be with us, there will be increasing chance that people breaking the law will get caught, especially in countries such as UK.

…back to talking about MTB 🙂

I just don’t sit in my bedroom at night in front of three monitors downloading free shit.

You just leave it running. You don’t have to sit in front of a computer for it to work….

wanting to and it being legal to do so, are two different things

Sure, but pushing me into not wanting to is going to hurt their sales figures far more than the availability of illegal downloads.

To put that another way; I’ll happily buy a movie I want to own. In fact, I’ll buy a movie I want to own even if I were to already have an illegal download of it. If you make it so that I can’t actually own it, then I’ll not buy the film in the first place. Why would I, what’s the point any more? I’ll wait for it to appear on Sky and Sky+ it.

Maybe I’m in the minority there, I don’t know. But we’ve been having this “home taping is killing music” argument since the 80s and it’s short-sighted at best. I’ve discussed this here before, but when I was a kid I bought as much media as I could afford with my pocket money. Without playground piracy I wouldn’t – couldn’t – have spent any more money, I’d just have had fewer Spectrum games.

Great to see the “Nothing To Hide; Nothing To Fear” brigade massively buying into the media/government scaremongering that anyone browsing privately must be looking at child porn or be a terrorist.

Happy to have CCTV in your bedroom?
Happy for someone to read all your mail and listen to your phone calls?

Why not?

So why would tor be useful to the normal law abiding citizen? I saw no convincing arguments for its use.

Someone in witness protection or sheltering from an abusive relationship who needs to communicate on the net without revealing their location?

On the above, the internet definitely appears to be heading down a route of restriction and censorship which is counter to one its founding tenets. I have just switched away from Sky (which I only ended up with as they acquired Be) partly for this reason, to an ISP that at least for now doesn’t block any website access.

I’ve discussed this here before

If anyone cares, my previous (lengthy) post on this subject is here: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/legality-of-watching-films-that-are-streamed#post-5651085

I don’t use it for general web-surfing, it’s too slow. Just accessin torrent sites.

If anyone cares, my previous (lengthy) post on this subject is here: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/legality-of-watching-films-that-are-streamed#post-5651085

I’d link that GoT Oatmeal comic if I could be bothered.

see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29016566

Ah yes, I had seen that. But that’s someone using piracy to make a profit – a criminal offence. Different from you or I watching the stream. I’ve not seen anyone being done for that (plus it would be a civil offence I think).

Friend got “the letter” via ISP from Warner for torrenting, but only cos he was a bit slack in moving downloaded movies from the share folder.

He now torrents movies that aren’t Warner.