- so….. what happend to "tj and the others"
i dont want to talk about banning ect but what happened immediately prior to the banning?
im not asking to try and stir up trouble. (pitch forks at the ready)Posted 5 years ago
Its just in the 6months plus i have been a member of this forum i have head references to these guys and always wondered humm i wonder who they are and i wonder what they did so please could someone enlighten me please
I didn’t read the actual thread, but it wasn’t a huge bust-up.
TJ was (and is) a pathological arguer. He is incredibly inflammatory without realising it, which got people annoyed and then threads would blow up. He also is utterly incapable of admitting he’s wrong or that someone else’s point of view is valid.
So despite being a fundamentally sound bloke, these particular traits caused a lot of acrimony, the mods continually warned him about it and temporarily banned him. Then one day there was just one argument thread too many.
Then there was a bit of a clear-out of argumentative thread spoilers.Posted 5 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
TJ is banned forever because he’s too easily baited, and it was too hard to moderate the people who constantly baited him. (this isn’t making excuses for him, he could be a nightmare too, but there’s a difference between lining an argument and being a troll)
GW is banned for actually being a troll 😉Posted 5 years agoscotroutesSubscriberfourbanger wrote:
I got warned off trying to contact him the other day.
He’s on Facebook if you feel the need to chat to him.
It’s a mark of the man (and his tormentors) that folk still try to take the piss out of him on this forum even though he’s been off it for 6 months and has no way of responding.Posted 5 years agoaracerSubscriber
TJ is banned forever because he’s too easily baited, and it was too hard to moderate the people who constantly baited him.
…and the mods took the easy option.
I’m connected with TJ on FB, despite being somebody who argued with him regularly on here (though unlike many others it was never a personal thing for me).Posted 5 years ago
The first rule of Ban Club is, you do not talk about Ban Club, unless you want to become a member.
It was before my tenure, but my understanding (as a user around that time) is that Molgrips is pretty much on the money. There were a few people who enjoyed a debate, which is fine, but couldn’t help themselves descending into heated arguments despite repeated warnings, which isn’t. Ultimately, that doesn’t make for a welcoming environment for everyone else.
I don’t think there’s a lot more to add to that, so unless anyone’s got any pearls of wisdom I think this thread will close shortly. I’d suggest that if you do want to discuss this (and I’m questioning how wise my own actions are here), you keep it civil and don’t make it personal. It’s not nice to speak ill of people who can’t answer back.Posted 5 years agoernie_lynchMember
I disagree with Molgrips analysis. I never found TJ “incredibly inflammatory” nor did he ever annoy me.
If you are interested in what sort of post he posted, check his posting history.Posted 5 years ago
it was too hard to moderate
Again, speaking purely as a user as I wasn’t privy to what went on then, I suspect that it wasn’t “hard” to moderate so much as bloody time consuming.
You wouldn’t believe how much work there is just in moderating day to day queries, stopping spam and suchlike; I imagine a squeaky wheel would very quickly suck up too much time, to the detriment of everything else.
The mods are all volunteers and give their time freely. It’s a small team and a considerable amount of work.Posted 5 years ago
Waves at druidh
For the record, druidh isn’t banned, to my knowledge. He’s not done anything wrong (or at least, not done anything sufficiently wrong to merit the Big Banhammer).
Not that that’s particularly important, but I don’t want to see someone character-assassinated unfairly.Posted 5 years agoaracerSubscriber
I never found TJ “incredibly inflammatory” nor did he ever annoy me.
Possibly you’re misunderstanding what molgrips means by that. You might not have found him that way, but others clearly did – the big problem though was those who realised they could wind him up and only argued with him in order to stoke their own egos by doing so.Posted 5 years ago
I’m not going to talk about anyone in particular, but as far as I understand it the mods’ decision was made because the forum is actually run to promote the magazine, and they didn’t think constant bickering and flaming rows reflected well.
Which is a fair point imo.Posted 5 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
Cougar – Moderator
You wouldn’t believe how much work there is just in moderating day to day queries, stopping spam and suchlike;
I used to mod a forum that was a lot more active than this one. It wasn’t a commercial venture so we were less worried about clickthrough and footfall and more worried about community.
Til last week I modded Bikeradar and that’s got some of the same considerations as this place, it’s a Future product and that both dictates and creates the majority of the mod work.
(this is not a criticism of STW- it just has different aims to some other forums. I wouldn’t be here if I thought it wasn’t good! But I’m realistic about what it is)Posted 5 years ago
You have to agree, there was some pretty deep and inspiring arguments on here in the past. Intelligent folks tend to bait and bicker it’s a sort of sport to them. Winning arguments was the end game and often TJ and Fred would bait and often tolerate the abuse handed out.
But there was some mighty intelligent thought provoking stuff they came out with.
Mods have their agenda, I’m not getting into whether they are right or wrong, it’s not my forum and not my place to question, I’m simply a guest in here who observes their (un) written rules.
But blimey, sometimes I do miss their banter.Posted 5 years ago
I used to mod a forum that was a lot more active than this one.
Well, I can’t compare with others. The only other place I’m a moderator is an Internet Bulletin Board, and that’s unsurprisingly low impact in the 21st Century.
Point I was making was solely that it’s more work than perhaps people realise. Whether it’s as much work as another site, I’ve no idea; I’d hope that the number of bodies would scale with the volume of traffic for a given forum, but that’s not really the point. STW obviously felt they needed another pair of hands (and must have been stuck for choice) because they asked me to pitch in. It might not be Facebook but for a basic forum on the back of a niche interest magazine, it’s not exactly quiet either.Posted 5 years ago
I’m simply a guest in here who observes their (un) written rules.
I’m curious about this. What do you believe are unwritten rules?
I’ve spoken about this before, as far as I can, but I’m a big fan of transparency (which is why I opted to have the tag against my name rather than remain anonymous). If you think there’s something unwritten then please, bring it to my / our attention and I’ll do what I can to get the T&Cs firmed up or explain what’s going on.
We do what we believe is right and often it’s a judgement call. It’s not always an easy call to make, things are rarely black and white. If there’s inconsistency it is, in my opinion, simply because different people respond, rather than any Section 31 style hidden agenda.
Seriously, if you think things could be clearer, tell us.Posted 5 years ago
Nope, I think the Mods agenda is quite simple.
You look after the Mags and the Forums best interests.
I agree wholeheartedly in a moderated Forum, it would have and could have descended into a pit of nasty baiters but this place has, and I hope, will always be a healthy mix of opinion, intuition, inspiration and healthy debate.
And piss taking.
And pies,Posted 5 years ago
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