So Lance Armstrong is going to confess…
It would suprise me,any confession will cost him the thick end of 14m US in the bonus and Times cases alone,and the potential of spending some of his tri competition time in the “big hoose.” Would he make more than that back having also cut the legs from under the Lance fanbois who are also in denial? I think he is going to become a marginal figure as time goes on and road cycling sorts itself out. A Symbol of the bad old days if you like.Posted 5 years agoyetimMember
I went on a charity ride which kimmage was on once, well I say he was on it, he wouldn’t get out of the support range rover and his bike was transferred in one of the lorries.Posted 5 years agoWooksterSubscriber
I’d be gutted if Wiggins was Dirty. I really don’t think he is TBH. If you looked at the tour it was controlled, and at the time there were complaints about the lack of attacking, or panache. It was a controll your losses in the mountains, hammer them in the TT’s.
Further to. That Froome was off form in the vultea, clearly fatigued, not something the usage of PED’s would really allow? It’s how it will pan out when ‘Berty returns will be interesting.Posted 5 years agohitmanMember
That house looks ugly. Also he doesn’t need a pool as there is a local water hole to swim in……..actually that’s been destroyed by him as well (see lance’s dispute with neighbours http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Neighbors-say-Armstrong-ruined-swimming-hole-1889551.php)Posted 5 years agoTom BMember
Hmm NYT isn’t really a glossy mag Hora-it is still conjecture at this point though I agree. Frank Schleck’s TdF positive is due to be ruled on soon his dad and uncle are on the panel that decides his fate 😯 quite why it’s taken this long is ridiculous, they’re obviously just going to give him a backdated 6 month ban and let him carry on.Posted 5 years agovickypeaMember
I read Paul Kimmage’s Rough Ride, and started off with the impression that he was quite a bitter, negative person, then I warmed to him as I got further through the book, but unfortunately he really disappointed me at the end in his chapter where he took the pee and made disparaging comments about normal cyclists attempting the Marmotte. So these days I am not inclined to take any notice of his sniping at Team Sky.Posted 5 years agocrazy-legsSubscriber
On to Kimmage,he is less a crusader and more a freeloader IMO. I think he is needing something new to keep himself in the public eye,hence his increasingly frequent attacks on Sky.
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The guy’s an arse. Problem now is he’s been proven right so he’s now throwing more shit round the place, either to be controversial and keep his name in the papers or on the premise that if you throw enough shit, some of it will stick.hh45Member
Ditto negative stuff on Kimmage. He was right but needs to quit whilst ahead maybe?
I read The Secret race over the hols and found it fascinating. I had disliked Lance ever since reading ‘Its Not About The Bike’ (sub text – ‘its all about ME’!) and so Hamilton’s descriptions of LA tallied with my prejudices; i.e. LA was a bully and an egotist. And a big bully.
But regarding the OP it does rather suggest that most riders were not cleann and the Schleck / Contador and other more recent cases suggest that we should still all be v sceptical of riders claiming to be clean. Brits can cheat as well as anyone else surely? WE may all want Brad and CCav to be clean but we cannot prove that hey are clean – only someone else ca prove perhaps that they are not. Its unfairly cynical but no other way i can see. Doper’s cant own up to it.Posted 5 years agobrattySubscriber
I liked Lance at first, then bit by bit I lost faith – too many amazing performances which then turned out to be against the likes of a doped Ulrich, inconclusive failed drugs tests, testamony by ex-team members, a prolonged relationship with dodgy doctors etc. So in the end I concluded there must be something dodgy going on (this was at least 4 years ago – how come the UCI were so slow on the case?). At the moment Wiggins has not done anything to arouse my suspicions. He won the tour putting out beleivable performances in terms of physiology in a year when most beleive it has got cleaner. The downer was the Sky team’s relationship with a dodgy doctor and some team member have owned up to having doped in the past. In this case Sky responded by clearing these people out. If all teams did this the sport would be a very different place with no Contador, Riis, Schlecks etc.
So for now I am enjoying the fact that Wiggins has won.Posted 5 years ago
Either Sky’s whole mantra, the marginal gains, the power meters, the training methods, the riding style… everything they do, is one big con for the benefit of giving them plausible deniability for a doping program, or they are clean.
It’s a bit like going to the moon, it’s probably easier to just go that fake it and keep the secret for ever. Even Lance’s “most sophisticated doping program in sport” was found out fairly easily.
With Lance right back as far as 1999 there were bits of evidence that they were on drugs,combine that with their VAM and power to weight ratios and it is obvious they were doping. With Wiggins there is none of this, nothing. So while we can’t be 100% sure I think we can have enough confidence in Wiggo’s performances to enjoy it and believe he is clean.Posted 5 years agobutcherMember
I’m surprised he hasn’t already. Yes, there are plenty of people out there who want to right and royally shaft him and they will be on the case the minute he confesses. But for someone who is quoted to have £127 million, plus whatever he has tied up elsewhere, you’d think a clean conscience and a fresh start would motivate more than losing a few million and perhaps shaming the few deluded believers that remain.
Then again, it ties in with the character he’s alleged to be. It would just be nice to believe he’s human.Posted 5 years agodeviantMember
neilsonwheels – Member
Was he not just the best of a bunch who were all on drugs.?
He was not the only cyclist working with Dr Ferrari.
Ferrari was team Dr with the Gewiss team when they swept all before them in 1994….Ferrari then set up private practice in 1995 and worked with many other cyclists.
The ‘most sophisticated doping program in sport’ should be taken with a pinch of salt….it may be the biggest thing USADA uncovered but this kind of thing was going on in Europe already.
The Festina affair in 1998 when 250 bottles of EPO were found in a team car (with steroids too)….the same year the TVM team got busted with 100+ ampoules of the stuff….the team director of Festina admits systematic doping in the team….the Festina team Dr admits there was a special doping fund within the team used to procure doping products, at the time of their bust it had 60,000 euros in it….
Read ‘The Death of Marco Pantani’, the author uncovers evidence and records from various sports/health institutions that worked with Pantani (and others) which essentially points to state sponsored doping in the 90s around Italian cycling.
This was all going on before Lance won his first TdF, yes he doped….he was continuing a rich tradition among cycling’s elite.Posted 5 years ago
Whether he was using steroids, EPO or transfusions is largely irrelevant, he wasnt the first and he didnt have some magic formula that nobody else had….he came to europe, saw what was going on (massive drug use for those who still believe doping starts and ends with LA) and played the game better than the others.Munqe-chickMember
The thing is Lance is “hinting” at wanting to confess but ONLY if he can come back and race again he wants to do a “DEAL”. How that can ever be possible in my opinion is beyond me? They previously made it clear when he swore under oath he wasn’t on drugs that he was under oath and did he fully understand what is meant. Lance isn’t worrid about money he has ample it’e the prison sentence for perjury and the fact he wants to come back and compete in other sports. There should be no deal, treat him with the contempt he deserves. And as Crazy-legs says there was me hoping this was all over and I could say “LAnce Who?” but hey ho reality dictates it’ll never be over.
As for Wiggo I believe he’s clean the ascent times of the mountains they climbed this years TdF versus 90’s and 00’s have increased by 20 minutes!! that’s down to pure training and not drugs IMO.Posted 5 years ago
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