crankrider as regards to childcare, you are John Snow
and
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkyy57iMaB0[/video]

at least you will know who your children are!

Not that my wife works much but there are weekends and evenings for those that do – indeed I’m out the house 60 hours a week and I know my son pretty well. The nursery he goes to is fantastic and and actually the staff are really into what they are doing and he learns a lot more there than he would at home. Not sure that both parents working full time would be ideal though but those I know that carry on their work think they’re a lot happier by doing so. Not all work related decisions are financial.

No, but employment rules regarding maternity, usual male earnings outstripping women and plain old womans role of a mother make the woman the best choice surely.

This is a load of middle class career driven drivel. No wonder divorce rates ar so high and children are so screwed up nowdays – mummys gone to work so she doesnt loose out in the office race to middle management so you are going to an 20k pa hovel for a few years….

Most of this applies to southeners i expect….

No, but employment rules regarding maternity, usual male earnings outstripping women and plain old womans role of a mother make the woman the best choice surely.

This is a load of middle class career driven drivel. No wonder divorce rates ar so high and children are so screwed up nowdays – mummys gone to work so she doesnt loose out in the office race to middle management so you are going to an 20k pa hovel for a few years….

Most of this applies to southeners i expect….

You have much to learn, and there is little time…

crankrider have you recently had your whip withdrawn from UKIP?

Kimbers, i could have guessed you were in london…. The world operates a little differently outiside of that strange bubble down there!

Working mums are of course acceptable, working for financial gain / necessity that is. Working only to cover the bills of a role better suited to yourself (your own childrens upbringing) is retarded.

crankrider have you recently had your whippet and flatcap stolen?

FTFY

It depends totally on where you live and whether you are supporting a family.

There are plenty of places in the South East where you couldn’t buy a 2 bedroomed flat on £60k as a single person and supporting a family in the more expensive parts of the uk on £60k isn’t going to make you rich.

To those that say money doesn’t buy happiness have you ever been properly broke?
I’m skint and I’m livid.

Crank rider, our health visitor recommended that our daughter spend more time in Nursery to work on her language development. I would disagree that Nursery carers are clueless, ours are very good. It’s good to have balance.

I wouldn’t disagree that things are far from ideal in the family unit; encouraging both parents to work has been a big factor in pushing up house (and nursery) prices. Why was there not more focus on dad staying at home and flexible working?

My brother in law earns 130k a year. His new girlfriend earns around the same (she does the same job for a different office overseas). The way he whines and moans you’d think he was scraping by on Jobseeker’s Allowance.

I am jealous and I do hate him.

Well why don’t you stop hating and being jealous and start doing what that they do for a living?

doh – Member

To those that say money doesn’t buy happiness have you ever been properly broke?
I’m skint and I’m livid.

I’ve been homeless.

£6,000 is enough to live a healthy life, if you have no dependants.
Just.

Hahaha stw makes me laugh. 🙁

*you’re

Why the resentment at people earning over the average wage?

Flaperon – Member

Why the resentment at people earning over the average wage?

No resentment, as I have been on over it by up to 4 times it in the past and next years income will exceed 100k.

However as for the last 10 years I’ve been below the average I know what the difference means and the problems it creates.

The real issue is the gap between lowest paid and highest paid and the obscene levels of increases for top earners.

No resentment, as I have been on over it by up to 4 times it in the past and next years income will exceed 100k.

However as for the last 10 years I’ve been below the average I know what the difference means and the problems it creates.

Interesting career with a 4x salary variation….

Why the resentment at people earning over the average wage?

Usually because people on less money think they work just as hard and are ‘worth’ just as much.

Why the resentment at people earning over the average wage?

Why not cut your own salary to that of the average wage and get back to us on that ?

Why not cut your own salary to that of the average wage and get back to us on that ?

Eh? So you are saying someone on the average wage is justified in resenting someone who earns above it?

Wow, £60k a year. I live with 3 mates, I don’t think our 4 combined incomes would reach £60k!

I guess to earn that much, you’d be “cash rich and time poor” or something.

Two salaries at the UK average £26k is only very slightly less take-home than one at £60k.

So if there’s only one salary in a household with kids etc £60k isn’t as much as you think. Two teachers could easily bring in more, and you wouldn’t consider teaching a rich profession.

It’s very much down to individual circumstances, and where you live.
I don’t earn 60k but earn a reasonable salary.

Getting divorced, starting again in my forties and buying a house with little equity and a large mortgage , whilst paying maintenance, having 3 children, and living as a single parent, certainly doesn’t leave much for luxuries.

Lots in a worse situation than me though.

I wish I could have £60k a year starting this year as I have just been shafted by some back-stabbers at work … 😡

Now I need to start a business to survive …

davidtaylforth – Member
Wow, £60k a year. I live with 3 mates, I don’t think our 4 combined incomes would reach £60k!

I guess to earn that much, you’d be “cash rich and time poor” or something.

as was actually stated in the interview where the figure came from – she was talking about a family in the south east with combined incomes of 50-60k

between us, me and my wife earn about 60k. 700 quid a month childcare tends to make being rich fairly tricky 🙂

Fair do’s. Still sounds like alot though, when my mum and dad were together, their combined incomes was probably around £30k. Although this was some years ago….

I think your concept of £60K pa being rich also depends on what surrounds you. I work in an independent school with fees of £30K pa – I get to see what proper rich actually looks like every day. All of my work colleagues earn less than £60K but a lot live with a working partner so the household income is above. I’d not call any of us rich by comparison. If I was surrounded in my day to day life by those who were receiving income support I might have a different opinion. Similarly I spend a week every year in Swaziland at a rural school and orphanage. I suspect they would think of uk residents on income support as living in the height of luxury.

she also never said they were rich only that labour had no current plans to increase tax on a 50-60k family

it was the telegraph that completely misquoted her in the follow up to their own interview with her

davidtaylforth – this isn’t meant in a derogatory way, but out of interest, how old are you and what do you do if you don’t mind saying?

28, draw stuff on a computer

Wow, £60k a year. I live with 3 mates, I don’t think our 4 combined incomes would reach £60k!

I guess to earn that much, you’d be “cash rich and time poor” or something.

Depends on the job somewhat.

28, draw stuff on a computer

Always had you down as a little older tbh 😉 Is there not much money in CAD drawing?

I can understand that £60k is seen as a very good salary/wage, however does anyone struggle to make £25k – I don’t mean through choice, but genuine situation?

however does anyone struggle to make £25k – I don’t mean through choice, but genuine situation?

according to this quite a few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom

Well, I gathered that much MrSmith – I didn’t really make it clear, but the question was aimed at people who might respond on here, not the general population of the UK so much.

however does anyone struggle to make £25k – I don’t mean through choice, but genuine situation?

That would be me, but I’m managing, there really isn’t much else around here, and definitely not much pays that kind of figure apart from teaching. But in saying that, it’s not an expensive part of the country to live.

however does anyone struggle to make £25k – I don’t mean through choice, but genuine situation?

Single and live with your folks, you’ll be fine…

Have kids, and you’ll be relying on benefits/credits.

On the mis-quote idea, you can make your mind up re the extent to which the Torygraph were manipulating (or otherwise) what was said.

The Liberal Democrats have said they would find the money by taxing the richest, which a leaked party document suggested meant anyone earning more than £50,000. Miss Reeves said that it was wrong to consider such people as “rich”. “If you’re a single-earner family in London or the South East on £50,000 or £60,000, you don’t feel particularly rich and you’d be equally aggrieved that people earning between £150,000 and £1?million are getting a tax cut at the same time your taxes are going up.” Miss Reeves said Labour had “shown whose side we are on” by calling for the 50p top rate of tax, which the Coalition cut to 45p, to be reintroduced for those earning more than £150,000 a year.

Not that it really matters. This is about electioneering pure and simple. Each party knows its target market and the swing markets and will promote policies to maximise their vote. What’s new?

Mrs Freeagent and I both have good jobs and probably earn about 80k between us.
We live in a nice bit of the southeast, have two kids in childcare and various other drains on our income, so no, we don’t feel rich.

However it is all our choice – We could flog the house tomorrow, buy something in a less desirable area and knock £100k off our mortgage. We could pull the kids out of all their little clubs and classes they do, get rid of one of our cars and have a bit of disposable income, but I’m happy with the way things are.

We certainly don’t want anything from the government, but would resent paying anymore tax to pay for ridiculous socialist ideologies or other follies.

Mrs Freeagent and I both have good jobs and probably earn about 80k between us.
We live in a nice bit of the southeast, have two kids in childcare and various other drains on our income, so no, we don’t feel rich.

Well, according to Junkyard, you’re still scum.