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  • Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Premier Icon Phil_H
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    The SNP are aiming for 2034 in Scotland

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    It’s odd, half the population/media seem to be convinced cannabis will be legal, the other half that smoking will be banned entirely.

    glupton1976
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    It’s odd, half the population/media seem to be convinced cannabis will be legal, the other half that smoking will be banned entirely.

    It may be news to you but there are ways of consuming cannabis that do not involve smoking it. For example space cakes.

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    as a smoker (of normal smokes and the funny fags) all in favour of it, as I was before the smoking ban came in. I’d legalise weed for personal cultivation mind you πŸ™‚

    MrNutt
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    it’ll be illegal. shoot on sight.

    True, but it’s harder to look cool eating a chocolate brownie.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    not under the tories they bowed out easily under pressure/donnations from tobacco lobbyists over plain packaging

    same as they did with minimum alcohol pricing

    and food labeling

    etc

    compositepro
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    True, but it’s harder to look cool eating a chocolate brownie.

    PMSL at mental image of hoodies on park bench with cakes in the shape of peppa pig

    mrmo
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    republic smoke free by 2025

    Just wondering if the UK will follow again?

    Klunk
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    unlikely with a ex-director of BAT in the cabinet.

    eskay
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    Might not happen over the border in England though

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    Premier Icon binners
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    It’s something that makes us an enormous amount in tax. Should we stop it? Erm……

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    there was a proposal floated down here in Tassie to increase the age of buying fags by one year every year to reduce the number of smokers and to effectively phase it out.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    The SNP are aiming for 2034 in Scotland

    I wonder whether they’ve included that in their budget calculations (given smokers are significant net contributors)?

    mrmo
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    It’s something that makes us an enormous amount in tax. Should we stop it? Erm……

    this is the thing, it costs the exchequer a fortune, but if you ban it today the tax hit doesn’t go away for decades!

    thebrowndog
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    I wonder whether they’ve included that in their budget calculations (given smokers are significant net contributors)?

    Perhaps not when you factor in the cost of smoking to the health system.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    Cost to the health system is much less than the tax take. Smokers also don’t tend to cost so much in pensions.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AdVfv6ki54[/video]

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    mrmo – Member

    if you ban it today the tax hit doesn’t go away for decades!

    True point. Though o’course a proportion of the tax won’t be lost, as the fag spend will mostly go on something else taxable- just less taxable.

    There’ll be all sorts of other costs, some wibblier than others… Loss of earning from people ill due to fags, subsequent impact on family members and employers, all that jazz.

    grum
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    No one smokes real cigarettes any more anyway do they? It’s all about the electronic space fags now.

    ernie_lynch
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    Cost to the health system is much less than the tax take. Smokers also don’t tend to cost so much in pensions.

    So smokers contribute more and take out less ? I almost feel that I should smoke out of patriotic duty.

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    Perhaps not when you factor in the cost of smoking to the health system.

    If you smoke and get lung cancer you get a lethal injection. No treatments, no palliative care, just a nice quick exit.

    Non-smokers with lung cancer for get the works.

    Other health implications are a grey area…

    Problem solved.

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    So smokers contribute more and take out less ?

    Yeah – it’s us healthy mountain bikers with our VAT free helmets who will live to 102 who are the drain on the system (assuming that is our current pension Ponzi scheme system survives that long).

    wrecker
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    Yeah – it’s us healthy mountain bikers with our VAT free helmets who will live to 102 who are the drain on the system

    You forget the A&E costs?
    I think it’s a great idea. We know enough about smoking to justify banning it completely IMHO. It doesn’t even get you pissed.
    That said, all of the tax lost by government will have to be replaced somehow.

    ohnohesback
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    It never fails to amaze me how many supposedly intellegent people think it is a good idea for the state to legislate as to what it deems acceptable for adults to ingest into their own bodies? What business of the state’s is it? Why do you allow the state to assume a de-facto ownership over you?

    clubber
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    Dr James Reilly has defined a “tobacco-free Ireland” as a state where less than 5% of the population smoke.

    Er… that’s not quite what I’d have in mind when talking about ‘tobacco-free’.

    5thElefant
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    We know enough about smoking to justify banning it completely IMHO

    Like we’ve done with drugs? That’s gone well.

    wrecker
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    Like we’ve done with drugs? That’s gone well.

    Well, having had five friends die from drug ODs; I’m quite happy that heroin and crack aren’t available in Tescos.

    deadlydarcy
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    Er… that’s not quite what I’d have in mind when talking about ‘tobacco-free’.

    Just as well you’re not the one saying it then.

    clubber
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    Thanks for that DD πŸ™‚

    I guess that I can talk about fatality free roads (less than 50,000 deaths pa) too then.

    Or calorie free meals (less than 1000 calories) or…

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    deadlydarcy
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    You can talk about whatever you want. I guess the guy in question is probably being realistic in thinking that getting tobacco usage down to zero is nigh on impossible in a generation, so getting it to less than 1 in 20 users (and thus de-normalising (if that’s a word) it) is a fair enough description for now.

    You ought to email him your observations though – I think he may well have a change in tune and think more about his choice of terms rather than the more important job in hand.

    clubber
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    Bad night with the little’un DD? πŸ™‚

    jekkyl
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    Can you get cancer from smoking 100% pure weed joints?
    would be costly like.

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    deadlydarcy
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    Bad night with the little’un DD?

    Not at all. Have you emailed him yet?

    grum
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    Well, having had five friends die from drug ODs; I’m quite happy that heroin and crack aren’t available in Tescos.

    If drugs were legal/regulated and their problems were treated as a medical rather than criminal issue they would quite probably still be alive.

    cbmotorsport
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    Each to their own etc. I wouldn’t be an advocate of banning smoking. I do wholeheartedly support any moves to make it less socially acceptable though, especially amongst the young.
    I feel that by the time kids that try smoking really have a sense of mortalitly, and are mature enough to make the right decision about smoking, they are already hooked. I know I was, and giving up was bloody hard.
    Raise the age to buy them, increase the penalties for those who sell them to the under age, and continue to make them as uncool as possible.

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    ohnohesback – Member
    It never fails to amaze me how many supposedly intellegent people think it is a good idea for the state to legislate as to what it deems acceptable for adults to ingest into their own bodies? What business of the state’s is it?

    When “the state” pays for healthcare I think it’s reasonable it should make efforts to contain and reduce those costs. Of course, we could hypothecate tobacco tax and then use it to pay for private medical care, subsidise employers for time lost, pay for “smokers-only” ambulances etc

    wrecker
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    If drugs were legal/regulated and their problems were treated as a medical rather than criminal issue they would quite probably still be alive.

    I very much doubt that. They OD’d, and it’s highly likely they’d have done so if they’d have got their stuff from Boots instead of dodgy derek the yardie. IMHO the only way the’d still be alive is if they just couldn’t get the stuff at all.

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