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  • Sir! Keir! Starmer!
  • Premier Icon tjagain
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    Yup – time to get rid of the idiots.

    Premier Icon MrOvershoot
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    tjagain
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    I see him as a very good choice. My only doubt is how well he can connect with the public at large.

    Well if my Father-In-Law is anything to go by he has connected with a lifelong Conservative voter and DM reader!
    I was talking to him at lunchtime, he had watched him with Andrew Marr this morning and thought he came over very well. Clear concise and no vague waffle, in his words the exact opposite of Boris Johnson.

    I’ve known him for 38 years and I don’t think I have ever heard him say anything good about a Labour leader, perhaps that’s more an indication of how shite the Conservative lot are to him I don’t know?
    I really hope Kier can make a go of this.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    . sounds like Gardiner was sacked.

    I’m sure thats a relief for everyone involved

    Premier Icon rone
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    He’s left wing

    He’s that left wing I couldn’t read his article in The Times due to subscription.

    dantsw13
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    Boris will get at least 2 terms, Labour party are finished I cant see them getting back there heartlands for years. If Boris and his ministers have any sense they should complete promises made to the North.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    First shadow cabinet announcements

    Serious shake up then. Good.

    mooman
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    tjagain
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    I see him as a very good choice. My only doubt is how well he can connect with the public at large.

    I see him as the very best choice Labour had – because what a very poor choice they had!

    As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters. He looks every bit the typical Oxford graduate sleazy modern politician, and was a staunch Remainer too.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Mistake one – Nandy. she is just an idiot. Such an idiot she had to be slapped down by Murray who is a first rate idiot

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Yes Rone, people who read The Times get a vote, and need to be won over to voting for Labour rather than the rabble they voted into power at previous elections.

    Yes Mooman, even people in the North are capable of voting for someone who went to Oxford. You can look into Starmer’s background yourself, if you think he’s not connected to the working class.

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    I see him as the very best choice Labour had – because what a very poor choice they had!

    That ties in with your inability to see anything but the very worst in any situation, based on the posts of yours I’ve seen.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Mooman – he is a long way from that sterotype. Johnson he is not. Look at his background

    Premier Icon binners
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    If you’re suggesting that Starmer comes from privileged, elite background then you’re an idiot who’s clearly incapable of using google. He’s actually pretty much the benchmark for achievement having come from a humble background

    I think he’s perfect for this moment where the country is clearly realising that in a crisis, you’re going to demand more from a leader than some Latin quotes, tussled hair and flippant quips. You can’t wing this one!

    Someone with a fair bit of gravitas and authority is going to quickly provide a huge contrast to the bumbling fool presently holed up in number 10.

    There’s an air of a truce in politics at the moment. That won’t last long, and there’s going to be one almighty day of reckoning once some semblance of normality is resumed.

    ransos
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    Mistake one – Nandy. she is just an idiot. Such an idiot she had to be slapped down by Murray who is a first rate idiot

    Nandy is no fool, and appears to be one of the few who understands the challenge of reconnecting with lost northern voters.

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    As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters. He looks every bit the typical Oxford graduate sleazy modern politician, and was a staunch Remainer too.

    so you’re not aware of his background at all?

    and being a brexiter is something all politicians will be trying to distance themselves from before long

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    Nandy was predicting for about 12 months what was going to happen in the ‘northern heartlands’ at the general election. But nobody in Islington wanted to hear it.

    She’s more of an understanding of what’s required to win those seats back than anyone else in the party

    Premier Icon dazh
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    I’m not sure I like all this Keir love. What the hell are we going to argue about for the next four years? Binners will be made redundant.

    Premier Icon binners
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    He’s got to get rid of Corbyns hopeless and overpaid henchmen in party headquarters yet.

    Do you think that shower are going to go quietly?

    Premier Icon pondo
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    I’m not sure I like all this Keir love. What the hell are we going to argue about for the next four years? Binners will be made redundant.

    Thank f***.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Do you think that shower are going to go quietly?

    Milne has already gone. Formby is a mere administrator, and Murphy a manager. I think you overestimate their power now that Corbyn has gone.

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    ransos
    Nandy is no fool, and appears to be one of the few who understands the challenge of reconnecting with lost northern voters.

    Which North are you talking about?

    Because in the actual North the SNP has swept up and annihilated the Labour vote, and she has done a wonderful job of antagonising them, so I don’t see her getting any traction on recovering the 40+ Labour seats they used to get up here. You can count the number of current Scottish Labour MPs on the pinky of one hand.

    PJM1974
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    Starmer is the son of a toolmaker, it’s also worth pointing out that Labour supporters for the most part backed Remain.

    TBH, Starmer winning the leadership vote has been the first piece of good news in politics for a very long time.

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    Nandy is an idiot. ~See her comments about Scotland which she doubled down on. She is young and perhaps will learn but that showed such a lack of political nous – as bad as anything RLB has said.

    Her idea of reconnecting with the lost northern english voters seems to be ” pander to the racists, play the race card”. Mind you it sort of worked for Burnham.

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    Anyway, Annelise Dodds, a member of McDonnell’s treasury team instead of Reeves as shadow chancellor. Thank god for that. And no Cooper or Benn so far so all good. Not fussed about Nandy being foreign sec, it’s a shit job with very little influence on anything important. It reminds me of when May made boris foreign sec.

    mooman
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    Mooman – he is a long way from that sterotype. Johnson he is not. Look at his background

    Of course I know his background, hence why I wrote He looks .. not He is.

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    Uncle Jezza… much as I love you, you don’t half talk some nonsense about Andy Burnham in particular, and politics in Northern England generally.

    Nandy was bloody stupid in her remarks about Scotland, but personally I think Scotland is now a lost cause for Labour anyway.

    But in her comments about the ‘northern heartlands’ (I ****ing HATE that expression), which were dismissed by a London-obsessed leadership, she was absolutely bang on! And it isn’t ‘pandering to racists’. That’s clearly how is was perceived by Corbyn and co in Islington. And look where that complacent, dismissive attitude got them?

    Perhaps she’ll actually listened too now. She’s some very worthwhile things to say, and it’s nothing like the simplistic ‘racist’ attitude you too dismiss it as

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    Burnham played the race card in the Mayoral election in an utterly disgraceful way. I gave you the quotes a while back and you agreed.

    Nandy has show a stupendous lack of political judgement and knowledge – and refused to apologise for it.

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    I doubt that. I don’t believe for a second that Andy Burnham is a racist

    Anyway… let’s get back on topic. That isn’t really what the threads about

    ginsterdrz
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    I think it’s all about personality. KS and LN come across as decent, genuine people (and dare I say honest!) so let’s see what happens. They both seem to have hit a note with the public. Doesn’t matter if you’re North or South as long as everywhere is treated fairly. I hope KS takes the moral high ground and is adult in his political dealings. That will cause BJ to self destruct, it’s not hard to outwit an idiot.

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    There’s no question that with Starmer as leader Boris and chums are not going to have the easy ride they’ve had for the last few years

    And right now it’s really really important that there’s a proper opposition.

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    I doubt that. I don’t believe for a second that Andy Burnham is a racist

    I think Burnham is as much of a racist as Corbyn is an anti-semite, but lets not go there 🙂

    Nandy has show a stupendous lack of political judgement and knowledge

    Hence why she’s been given the job of worrying about the politics of other countries. She’ll be so busy swotting up on capital cities and who foreign presidents are she won’t even have the time to go down the chippy let alone get involved in anything going on here.

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    Oh I don’t think Burnham is a racist either – but he did play the race card in the mayoral election and I did give yo the quotes binners and you agreed it was disgraceful

    Long way off topic tho.

    Well if my Father-In-Law is anything to go by he has connected with a lifelong Conservative voter and DM reader!

    Yup, Boris wasn’t popular, his approval ratings were dire. I think KS will appeal across the board.

    Annelise Dodds, a member of McDonnell’s treasury team instead of Reeves

    In contrast this is worrying. The spending promises in 2019 were just insane. (Christ we’re in the worst crisis since WW2 and the worst economix chrisis since the Great Depression and we’re *still* only spending what MCDonnell was going to piss up the wall.) Of course the fact she worked for the Shadow Treasury team doesn’t mean she agreed with the policy. (EDIT: Just checked and she’s not in the Socialist Campaign Group – so she’ll be fine.)

    So in my view FWIW KS is going to be really good. He’s got rid of the Momentum hold on the NEC and the leadership. *If* he isn’t really good he’s still going to be 10,000,000,000 time better than Momentum/Corbyn. The membership got Labour into the mess, and they got them out of it.

    Klunk
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    Is there any “Dirt” in his past the right wing press can use against him? He was pretty quick to snatch the antisemitic beating stick out of their hands.

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    They will look for some Klunk – and invent some if they find none. I expect it to firstly be over his legal career – either failing to prosecute properly some unsavory types or when he was an human rights lawyer. Terrorist friend

    Its already started in fact – first result I got on google is an attack based on his supposed wealth with a dig about his work as a lawyer

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    tjagain
    They will look for some Klunk – and invent some if they find none.

    We have poisonous media in this country. There’s no way we should be in a position where the bulk of it is foreign owned.

    And it should be more fragmented into more independently owned units. Otherwise we get the situation we now have where the politicians have to lick Murdoch’s arse.

    kiksy
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    Is there any “Dirt” in his past the right wing press can use against him?

    Just woken up and seen my first “uncited terrible font jpg” smear posted on Facebook. Accusing of Starmer being in charge of the initially dismissed Saville case.

    So it begins.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    report it as fake news

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    As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters

    You mean the ones that voted in pretty huge numbers for Eton-educated, descendant of royalty, professional bumbling toff Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson?

    ransos
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    Which North are you talking about?

    Pretty obviously I was talking about northern England, as that’s where Labour took a hammering in the last GE. Scotland was lost a long time ago.

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