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Sir! Keir! Starmer!
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binnersFull Member
I expect that PMQ’s will be a bit lively today.
I’m predicting Johnson completely losing it by Starmers second question and starting shouting about being an IRA sympathiser and other such irrelevant nonsense in a desperate attempt at deflection
tjagainFull MemberStarmers presser yesterday gets him overwhelmingly good press coverage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54533339
He has also backed Johnson into a corner. Note the Express saying ” short sharp lockdown on the cards” So now Johnson is damned if he does and damned if he does not
copaFree MemberI expect that PMQ’s will be a bit lively today.
Oh yes. Lovin it, lovin it, lovin it.
Sir Keir Starmer KCB has been literally smashing it out the park recently.
Guys, lets get a play-by-play going for this one.fingerbangFree MemberPerhaps a fat boy response bingo card:
Remainer
Lefty lawyer
Sniping from the sidelines
Lurching around like a Shopping trolley with busted wheels
Does he support the government or not which is it Mr speaker?
The right honourable gentleman is showing all the indecision his predecessor showed on BREXIT
Does this London based lawyer even know where the North is?
In this world class country we prize FREEDOM above the timid vicissitudes of blah blah blah Brittania rules the waves
Non est factum
Caveat emptor, wibble wobble, mange tout mange toutthe-muffin-manFull MemberI can’t be the only one in thinking that a short-sharp-lockdown over half-term will just lead to hoards of people with ****-all to do bolting to the tourist hot-spots in their area!!?
MoreCashThanDashFull MemberI can’t be the only one in thinking that a short-sharp-lockdown over half-term will just lead to hoards of people with ****-all to do bolting to the tourist hot-spots in their area!!?
Depends if the government thought it through and restricted movement to prevent that, as they did in Wales
binnersFull MemberDepends if the government thought it through and restricted movement to prevent that, as they did in Wales
The devolved government in Wales are trying to impose travel restrictions because they know that the entire population of Liverpool will be heading their way at the weekend for one almighty piss up
martinhutchFull MemberI’m waiting for the next natural progression which shifts the whole of West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, and Lancs into Tier 3, making my town in North Yorkshire the only one in easy reach which still has the pubs open…
Joined up thinking is not a feature of this government.
binnersFull MemberI’m waiting for the next natural progression which shifts the whole of West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, and Lancs into Tier 3
I doubt you’ll need to wait long. The Mexican stand off between central government and ‘The North’ can’t hold for much longer. I’ll be amazed if it lasts past today. We’re expecting to be Tier 3 at any moment
ctkFull MemberA short sharp lockdown will do bugger all unless the uni students are sent home and schools close. & I’m not sure its the right thing to do politically either. “The people of this country don’t want another lockdown! The Labour Party want one but I know the people of the country can get us through this without a lockdown blah blah” Its a bit like the brexit debate…
Finally the PPE procurement scandal has crept into MSM! Both FT and Daily Telegraph had something iirc.
tjagainFull Memberactually polls seem to show that the public are behind greater restrictions ( we never had lockdown) so long as proper compensation is paid
pondoFull MemberWill he spare a question for the “lefty do-gooder lawyers” nonsense today? I hope so…
ctkFull Membertjagain
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actually polls seem to show that the public are behind greater restrictions ( we never had lockdown) so long as proper compensation is paid& this (compensation) is a massive hole in Tory policy. There are loads of gaps really! Hopefully this is the start of Starmer puling them apart.
kelvinFull MemberA short sharp lockdown will do bugger all unless the uni students are sent home and schools close.
A ‘lockdown’ (no one is actually proposing an actual lockdown, but hey) would more likely to mean Uni students students staying put, no? A longer/shifted half term for schools would have to be part of it though, for sure.
Edit: we’re crossing the threads/streams now, aren’t we
reluctantjumperFull MemberThe Welsh Assembly have basically stated today that if Westminster don’t carry out a short lockdown then Wales will have one all of it’s own regardless.
slowpuncheurFree MemberI noticed BJ has just let something slip. He said that the regional approach will work ‘if implemented properly’. In other words, it’s up to the labour councils to sort this s**t out, we’re just giving them the cash to do it. He can’t lose in that scenario – at least until next election time. Very deliberate to drop that in, and horribly cynical.
dazhFull MemberAll the news bulletins leading with the Starmer demanding a national approach, and Boris wanting to keep it regional. In other words, Boris wants to protect the south east from lockdown caused by those unruly northerners, whilst Starmer thinks the whole country should act together in the collective national interest. I’d say that’s job done.
frankconwayFree MemberGood to see Starmer taking the gloves off with pointed – but factually correct -comments/insults about johnson.
By contrast, johnson’s comments about Starmer are nothing more than playground insults with no basis in fact.
Smiled at the first question after Starmer’s block of six when johnson was described as ‘…an experienced father…’ by a tory MP.
Yet again, johnson scores nul points.
Each PMQs is more embarrassing for johnson than the previous one.kelvinFull MemberDid you hear the Radio4 news? It was replays of Johnson’s comments, without Starmer’s. Luckily I’d listened to the whole thing… and your assessment is spot on Frank… most won’t hear that though. Let’s hope their editing has improved by the time of the evening TV news…
copaFree MemberDon’t you just love to see it.
Absolutely wonderful scenes today. Well done Sir Kee Kee.
I’m still on a high tbh.
Another total blinder and BoJo was literally KO’d by the brilliance of the K dog’s bodyslams.
ctkFull MemberZero bodyslams! Should have pulled him up on comparing Cornwall to Liverpool ffs. & Boris can forever more say Labour want a damaging lockdown. Boris will be happy
kelvinFull MemberI don’t think copa was being entirely serious. And it’s not about “bodyslams”, it’s about making people reconsider, over the next four or so years, which party should be running the country.
NorthwindFull Membercheddarchallenged
Full MemberBut it won’t “reset” things will it?
We know that because the last 3 week lockdown ran to 3 months.
Nah, that’s a bit of a false assumption. For one thing, the first lockdown was weak as piss and we didn’t exactly know what was important and what wasn’t. If you want a real short term suppression effect, you do it properly- forewarn so that people can lay in food, shut everything down that you can possibly shut down.
I don’t think we could have done that first time- I think the floppiness of our lockdown was a massive mistake, but that doesn’t mean we could have gone full beans. But with a good plan (HAH) and good communications (HAH) and good leadership (you guessed it, HAH), a proper full smash is possible. Not even possible, but not that hard a sell. “Hey kids, do you want to carry on like this forever? Well, if not there are two options. Just go back to normal tomorrow, and loads of people die. Or, we all buy loads of beans and stay in the house for all of November, and then we can return to the world and be much closer to normal, albeit fat and with massive right arms”
Because “let’s just keep doing this” absolutely sucks. And “let’s just crack on” is even worse.
ctkFull MemberIf Labour want to win the next election they have to convince the country that they are the safe hands with the economy.
They need to a) make people trust them (so far so good Starmer) and b) make people not trust the Tories – SO much ammo at the moment, all being completely ignored by SKS.
ctkFull MemberRe Northwinds post. SKS last question was nearly there. He said something like “These regional measures don’t go far enough”
dannyhFree MemberAnd it’s not about “bodyslams”, it’s about making people reconsider, over the next four or so years, which party should be running the country.
A lot of people like ‘bodyslams’ and assume that is all politics is about. See also: Brexit.
ctkFull MemberOh give over – Keir needs to cut through. He needs bodyslams. So much material at the mo!
Not even including the easy below the belt shots. eg “Experienced Father”
tjagainFull Memberctk – Starmer is doing exactly that and the “experienced father” was not Starmer!
ctkFull MemberI know- it was an onside Tory! That’s how easy it is.
Little sly jokes are my preference over bodyslams, Milliband was good “I know he’s got a lot on his plate”.
Experienced father is hilarious I hope it sticks.
kelvinFull MemberNah… petty jokes about his serial infidelity are ineffective… making it clear that he isn’t up to the job of being PM is where the “jokes” should land.
kelvinFull MemberSomeone else brought up Rashford, so I’m using that as an excuse to drop this here…
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roneFull MemberEight resignations – no comments?
Still going on about PMQs?
Yeah will be good to see the back of them I bet. By the end of year the PLP will be nothing more than a Lib dem alternative.
grumFree MemberI’ll bite, Starmer has really jumped the shark here. It’s really not the kind of legislation the Labour Party should be supporting and I think he’s just trying not to look too ‘difficult’ and obviously ‘lefty’ during a time of crisis, but actually it’s a bit pathetic. Not impressed.
tjagainFull MemberI see it thru the lens of the politics game. He has seen how ” being soft on terrorists” was a label that stuck to Corbyn and wants to avoid the same trap.
I am not convinced he is right but I think thats his reasoning. Every action has to be considered thru the lens of the right wing press and he must avoid giving them any ammo. By abstaining he is neither opposing it thus takes the RW press attack line away but neither is he supporting it.
Resignations over it are utterly stupid and self defeating tho. It matters not how labour votes in terms of the bill passing
NorthwindFull MemberIt’s a bad law. Not automatically a bad concept- officers and other operatives do sometimes need to commit an offence, like supplying drugs as a classic example. But this law lacks meaningful oversight and approvals, and has a near total lack of limits. One of the occasions where the bill allows officers to break the law is, I’m not making this up, when it’s “in the interests of the economic wellbeing of the United Kingdom”. Another is to “prevent disorder”, with no clear definition of what disorder is- a political protest? Someone chaining themselves to a tree?
And while they want to claim it’s about protecting undercover police officers, it includes the Food Standards Agency, the Environmental Agency, and the Competition and Markets Authority, with no greater restraint or oversight than say an antiterrorism officer. We get why a police intelligence source might have to commit a really serious crime, when they’re dealing with the most serious of crimes- but why does the CMA need the same?
And then there’s the authorisations- it doesn’t go to a judge, or even to a senior officer outside of the operation, offences can be authorised by the person in charge of the case, who if I understand it right is themself also in the process grants themselves immunity from prosecution. Apart from everything else, that means that it’d be easier to get authorisation to commit a crime than it would be to get a wire tap order or a search warrant.
“Guv, we need a search warrant” “Nah, I need to fill in forms and stuff for that and they expect us to make a good case for it; under the Cops Do What They Want Act 2020 I authorise you to break and enter and to steal documents from that house”
It doesn’t seem a hard call, this- especially with Starmer’s background. “We can’t support this, not because of the concept but because it’s just really terrible work. It’s a job that needs doing, and that you’ve known needs doing for years, and that means it needs doing properly and that there’s no excuse for trying to ram it through. The police need protecting but so do the public, ask Baroness Lawrence OBE. If you don’t take it away and fix it, make it at least not terrible, then we can’t stop you from passing it but everyone will know it’s entirely on you. And that if you’d worked with us, we’d have a better law, officers would be in a better position, and so would the public but you just couldn’t be bothered” That sort of thing.
Right now he’s said “we can support this as long as there’s amendments”, and it looks like it’s going to be smashed through without those amendments and he’ll support it regardless, which is Milibandishly weak. And some of those amendments are such leftist madness as “probably policemen shouldn’t be raping people, amiright?” and “maybe the person who authorises the crime shouldn’t simultaneously be granting themselves immunity against any legal response, maybe at least their boss ought to have to rubber stamp it”
Am I missing something?
grumFree MemberBy abstaining he is neither opposing it thus takes the RW press attack line away but neither is he supporting it.
Which just makes him look spineless and lacking in principles.
NorthwindFull Membergrum
Free MemberWhich just makes him look spineless and lacking in principles.
True, but then what does “we’ll support it with amendments” then supporting it with no amendments do?
We could be proved wrong but for me, this is his first really big, headline mistake. I’m unhappy about the coronavirus line he’s taken but I do understand it, and it’s a long and nuanced thing. This one isn’t.
Equally, i could be wrong and it might look like a big mistake in the short term, but turn out to have good political benefits- both being Tough On Crime and also shaking off a bunch of the lefties that he only really took on to show “healing”. And if that’s what happens, then that’s probably doubly good since if he’s engineered that then he’s a bit more cynical and a bit nastier than I thought he was, and that’s necessary.
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