Starmer does make lots of points.

Where as all the PM has is… “Labour want to take us back into lockdown and back into the EU”.

Groundhog Day. Johnson has broken Britain and is stuck in a nonsensical loop.

Labour are far from irrelevant. This thread is though.

The problem with this thread is that Keir Starmer’s leadership doesn’t provide any basis for relevant debate.

Unless your preoccupation is whether Geronimo the alpaca should die or whether the next James Bond should be a woman, with or without a penis.

On most issues, which interest most people, Starmer’s position appears to be that he would do exactly the same as Boris Johnson only better.

Which is hardly the basis for lively and interesting debate.

The problem with this thread is Keir Starmer.

Even binners who is clearly a huge fan of Starmer, presumably on the basis that like himself he hates lefties, is reduced to posting pictures and hurling insults at anyone doesn’t see Starmer as some sort of messiah who will save Labour. What else is there for him to do?

There’s only one explanation. Boris is on drugs #PMQs

— John Crace (@JohnJCrace) March 30, 2022

Unless your preoccupation is whether Geronimo the alpaca should die or whether the next James Bond should be a woman, with or without a penis.

The problem with this thread isn’t the occasional stupid question that journalists ask the leader of the opposition, it’s that some people repeat them again, and again, and again… boring any normal person away from the thread. Around, and around, and around. A bore-arathon of repetition and tedium by the same boring people. I include myself in that. Utterly wasting my time replying to the same old tedious junk posting. Utterly pointless. I should probably ask for ban to stop myself adding to the nothingness.

The problem with this thread isn’t the occasional stupid question that journalists ask the leader of the opposition, it’s that some people repeat them again, and again, and again… boring any normal person away from the thread. Around, and around, and around.

Perhaps you could give us an approved list of topics to discuss, so everything can be on your terms.

Well why don’t you break the circle Kelvin by bringing onto the thread all the inspirational announcements that Starmer has made and all the radical new policies he has to offer?

🥱

I should probably ask for ban to stop myself adding to the nothingness.

Shall I report your post and put you out of your misery? 🤣

You have a point though

Yeah you find this thread so boring that you keep coming back.

Is it to check if binners has posted some new and different pics, or found new words to describe lefties?

Well why don’t you break the circle Kelvin by bringing onto the thread all the inspirational announcements that Starmer has made

Given that you and he share the same view of Starmer, perhaps you could do it instead?

Even Wes Streeting can answer stupid questions. The top two future leadership candidates are clearly much better at this than the current leader. What are the PLP waiting for??

He talked for over a minute and never answered the original question, bar saying ‘case by case basis’ or ‘common sense’, it was just waffle against a stupid question.

Given that you and he share the same view of Starmer, perhaps you could do it instead?

Ernie wasn’t the one complaining about the thread.

But we all know the problem: Starmer is deeply uninspiring so there’s very little to talk about.

I’m less interested in Starmer and more interested in why the parliamentary labour party appear to have no interest in winning the next election. There’s usually lots of noise across the political spectrum, and in particularly on the backbenches about the direction of parties, leaderships and their chances at future elections. A good example is the tory backbench revolt against Johnson, who was told unambiguously that his performance wasn’t good enough. But the PLP are completely silent. Almost no one is talking about Starmer and how good or bad he seems to be doing. Anyone care to speculate why?

I’m less interested in Starmer and more interested in why the parliamentary labour party appear to have no interest in winning the next election.

So you are interested now? Why? You lot didn’t seem interested in winning power 2015-2019 when you put the other guy in charge.

You lot

Who is ‘my lot’??

‘My lot’ were very interested in winning an election between 2015 and 2017, that’s why we joined the party in our hundreds of thousands, donated millions and volunteered thousands of hours of time knocking on doors and campaigning in elections. What did the PLP do? Oh yeah they spent all their time sniping from the sidelines like spoilt children because they didn’t get the leader they wanted.

What did the PLP do? Oh yeah they spent all their time sniping from the sidelines like spoilt children because they didn’t get the leader they wanted.

On that note it’s some sort of small pay-off the Doom end-of-level baddie ex-Labour MP – LORD FFS Ian Austin was involved in a slap-down for his big shitty Telegraph empowered gob recently.

These people should have never been anywhere near the Labour Party.

“We accept that there was and is no basis to suggest that Ms Murray is anti-Semitic,” the statement said.

“On the contrary; the court heard in unchallenged evidence that Ms Murray devoted significant time and energy to confronting and challenging antisemitism within the Labour Party whilst she was employed there. The Telegraph and Ian Austin apologise to Ms Murray. We have agreed to pay her substantial damages.”

Starmer has it damn easy.

Starmer has it damn easy.

And he’s still shit. What all this is showing is that Corbyn and McDonnell were much more competent and effective than people gave them credit for (I never doubted McDonnell anyway), and that the PLP have monumentally terrible judgement in who their leader should be and how they can beat the tories. They’ve been handed own goal after own goal in a benign media environment against a proven liar and they still can’t make headway.

Corbyn and McDonnell were much more competent and effective than people gave them credit for

To be fair to them, it’s difficult to imagine a dream team more effective at delivering power with a thumping great majority!

… for the Tory’s

I’m sure Boris and chums go all Misty-eyed in awe of their brilliance

I’m sure Boris and chums go all Misty-eyed in awe of their brilliance

They probably thought they’d never be that lucky again. Until now, where they can literally hold parties while people are dying and locked in their homes and still come up smelling of roses.

Starmer’s dream team have been outplayed, outfought and outfoxed by the likes of Johnson, Truss, Raab, Dorries and Rees-Mogg. That takes a special level of incompetence far beyond anything we’ve seen before.

it’s difficult to imagine a dream team more effective at delivering power with a thumping great majority!

… for the Tory’s

Yup, the PLP did a blinding job. The Tories must have been particularly impressed when Starmer was part of a coordinated front bench mass resignation to maximize the damage to the then Labour leader.

Starmer could not have possibly done more to help the Tories.

Cat is shocked by the confusion of possessive nouns and plurals.

Cat is shocked by the confusion of possessive nouns and plurals.

😂

Yes of course, mass Labour front bench resignations did nothing to help the Tories, only a cat wearing a foil hat would think that.

I’m less interested in Starmer and more interested in why the parliamentary labour party appear to have no interest in winning the next election.

The Labour Party has become a middle-class protest movement. It now exists solely to protest and complain about the Tories.

It doesn’t exist to offer any sort of radical alternative.

And complaining is easy, it comes without responsibility. Complaining about Tories is particularly easy, for obvious reasons.

However under the previous leadership the PLP was expected to offer an alternative vision to the one offered by the Tories. And, argue the case.

Which I’m sure you’ll agree sounds like hard work.

Now however the PLP is back in safe and familiar territory….. back to simply complaining about the Tories. And if voters fancy giving them a chance they’ll have a go at doing what the Tories are doing but better. If not, no worries, they’ll just carrying on complaining about the Tories.

Which I’m sure you’ll agree sounds like hard work.

Absolutely. I’ve been saying for some time now that labour MPs have no interest in beating the tories because just being an MP is an achievement for them. All they have to do is maintain that. Sticking their necks out to try to achieve more means risking their 80k salaries and over-inflated status. Similarly for Starmer the pinnacle of his career is being leader of the party rather than PM. He’s like the chair of a large company who is in post for a limited 5 year term before he retires.

Where Corbyn went wrong is he dared to achieve more than simply being in a position of power. He risked his career in order to change things and he’s sacrificed a lot for that. That’s why he inspired those who support him and enraged those opposed to him. He held a mirror to every self-serving empty vessel careerist labour MP and they didn’t like being exposed.

Today’s Labour Party summed up in one picture by binners.

To be fair to them, it’s difficult to imagine a dream team more effective at delivering power with a thumping great majority!

I mean just let Starmer, Reeves and Streeting roll off the tongue.

Stand in awe at their achievements thus far.

Luke warm Tory mouthpieces and still barely making a dent.

Luke warm Tory mouthpieces and still barely making a dent.

Barely making a dent? They’re been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching.

What exactly is it you want? Apart from shouty clips on Twitter, obviously? We all miss those, don’t we?

Rachel Reeves has just been on Radio 4 saying how they intend to focus on the cost of living crisis during the local election campaign and stress the labour proposal for a windfall tax on the energy companies to be used to reduce household energy bills.

Sounds pretty sensible to me, and exactly what the labour party should be doing, surely?

coordinated front bench mass resignation to maximize the damage to the then Labour leader.

You’ve posted a tin foil hat wearing cat after this statement Binbins- do you think that it didn’t happen and is just a conspiracy theory?

Of course it happened. It was a reaction to the totally ineffective uselessness of those at the head of the party. What also happened was the beardy messiah losing a vote of no confidence by 172 votes to 40 amongst his own MPs. That proved to be somewhat prosaic as he went on to lose two elections and hand an enormous majority to the Tories

So, I don’t buy this ludicrous alternative-reality narrative that if those MPs had just shut up and gone along with Grandad that we’d now be living in some socialist utopia

Its pure fantasy! A comforting balm for the common room.

Anyway… back to today. I’ll ask again…

The labour party has been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching. From a starting point of -24 in the polls when the socialist dream team belatedly shuffled off to the allotment

So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?

Not a conspiracy theory then you just posted the tin foil hat cat on accident?

So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?

Well under the previous leadership you set the bar fairly high binners, you claimed that Labour should have had a 20% lead over the Tories.

Now under Starmer, your messiah who will save Labour, you appear to be extremely satisfied with Labour having just a 2% lead over the Tories, which is what the latest opinion poll shows.

Still, I guess it’s because things are going so swimmingly for the Tories, it can’t possibly be Starmer’s fault that Labour only has a 2% lead, eh?

Oh and Corbyn….. it’s probably also Corbyn’s fault.

And covid.

Plus the war in Ukraine.

Probably Johnson too for being so slippery.

Definitely not Starmer’s.

do you think that it didn’t happen and is just a conspiracy theory?

I read that as surprised about the fact that Ernie suggests that Starmer had some sort of major role in it when it was organised by Hilary Benn and Tom Watson. And in the reshuffle after Corbyn’s 2nd win in October he made Starmer Shadow Brexit secretary, it seems an odd move to promote someone who had been apparently actively campaigning against you.

So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?

I think Starmer will win (Boris will lose) What I want is him to do something worthwhile when he gets into office. Noises he is making suggests he wont.

Not a conspiracy theory then you just posted the tin foil hat cat on accident?

The conspiracy theory nonsense (so beloved of ‘the left’) is that by labour MPs expressing how useless Old Magic was, with a vote of no confidence, that this somehow prevented the glorious revolution

It’s simply a ludicrous fantasy that those in the sixth form like to comfort themselves with to save themselves from facing the reality…. That I’ve got more chance of becoming the next pope than Jeremy Corbyn ever had of becoming PM

Anyway… back to the real world… at the risk of becoming repetitive (perish the thought)…

The labour party has been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching. From a starting point of -24 in the polls when the socialist dream team belatedly shuffled off to the allotment

So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?

And in the reshuffle after Corbyn’s 2nd win in October he made Starmer Shadow Brexit secretary, it seems an odd move to promote someone who had been apparently actively campaigning against you.

The daft git probably thought he could appease the blairites.

Look how he tolerated Margaret Hodge publicly calling him a racist. And compare that with how the right-wing are now expelling anyone with the vaguest hint of dissent.

The conspiracy theory nonsense is that by labour MPs expressing how useless Old Magic was, with a vote of no confidence, that this somehow prevented the glorious revolution

Its simply a ludicrous fantasy that those in the sixth form like to comfort themselves with to save themselves from facing the reality…. That I’ve got more chance of becoming the next pope than Jeremy Corbyn ever had of becoming PM

You don’t know what a conspiracy theory is.

Now under Starmer, your messiah who will save Labour, you appear to be extremely satisfied with Labour having just a 2% lead over the Tories, which is what the latest opinion poll shows.

Just to repeat, Comrade; When Starmer took over from the sainted one, Labour were 24 points adrift of the Tories in the polls after an absolutely catastrophic election loss.

Everything’s relative