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Sir! Keir! Starmer!
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ernielynchFull Member
He has placed a share of the blame squarely at the feet of many other Labour politicans, past and present, many times, over the years.
Oh yes I definitely remember binners daily rants attacking the whole of the Labour Party to the point where people were asking him why he was a Labour Party member.
However as I understood it Labour only needed to get rid of Corbyn and everything would come out in the wash….. centrist utopia here we come, apparently.
Yes unsurprisingly it turns out that things aren’t quite that simple. According to the latest yougov poll Starmer’s approval ratings are now even lower than Corbyn’s was at this point into the leadership.
And Labour did even worse last Thursday than it did under Corbyn. Except of course where voters had a vague idea what they were voting for.
It turns out that the “vote for us because you are a traditional Labour voter” strategy doesn’t work anymore.
It’s good to finally hear binners make vague critical comments concerning Starmer. But what I don’t understand is why this vague critism didn’t start until Labour’s election humiliation.
My understanding from binners Book of Election Strategy was that only someone who was “utterly clueless” wouldn’t know how to connect with Labour voters.
grumFree MemberI’m guessing everyone in the Labour party is under strict instructions not to say anything critical about indiscriminate bombing by Israel, because that would be anti-Semitic right?
kelvinFull MemberThe situation in Jerusalem, Gaza and Israel is shocking.
Labour is calling for the immediate end to air strikes and rocket attacks.
Britain must act to de-escalate tensions and kick-start efforts for a sustainable peace – through a two-state solution.https://t.co/hqi0l25I7S
— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) May 12, 2021
dazhFull MemberHe looks like he’s been on the Scotch in interviews.
I’ve mentioned this a couple of times. He’s clearly a massive drinker, and reminds me of Charles Kennedy. In fact I saw a twitter exchange at the weekend where someone supposedly ‘in the know’ said he drank like a fish, but doesn’t drink beer. Not that it’s a big deal I suppose, Johnson is also reputedly a massive alcoholic and May and Thatcher were big whiskey drinkers. Not sure about Tony Blair, I reckon he was more of a line of coke and champagne type along with Cameron and Osborne. Corbyn is a long time teetotaller, make of that what you will.
kelvinFull Memberhe drank like a fish, but doesn’t drink beer
I know someone who worked with Gordon Brown, before he was PM. That description fitted him perfectly.
marinerFree MemberIn addition to Andy Burnhams speech after being re elected Mayor comes Rachel Reeves opening Queens Speech debate for labour.
It is not all doom and gloom.
https://labourlist.org/2021/05/full-text-rachel-reeves-delivers-first-speech-as-labours-shadow-chancellor/kelvinFull MemberThat’s a good read. Was her delivery up to scratch? Will she get people listening?
NorthwindFull MemberOTOH, John Smith was a legendary drinker, and probably if he’d calmed that down a bit he’d have been PM instead of Blair, and a lot of things would have worked out different.
grumFree MemberWell, there are people killing innocents on both sides.
A lot more on one side, as ever. And only one side that has the Labour leader and several cabinet ministers in a ‘friends of….’ group.
Funny that JC was pilloried for calling Hamas friends but join a lobbying group for the expansionist aggressor killing massively more people and it’s fine.
kelvinFull MemberLabour leader and several cabinet ministers in a ‘friends of….’ group.
The Israeli Labor Party needs all the friends it can get, things are getting more and more desperate for them. The two-state solution needs as much international support and pressure as possible, the proposal is currently like a flickering candle in the face of an oncoming sand storm. Netanyahu is destroying the region, he is a warmonger, he sees the lives of Palestinians as just something to consume to win elections and gain power, he uses illegal expansionist settlements and the cover of security to push people from their homes. There will be no lasting peace while he is in power, and no equal rights. Calling for a cease fire and a deescalation on both sides should not be taken as support for Netanyahu’s regime, his incitement to kill, or any of the countries army’s actions under his direction.
BillMCFull MemberIsn’t the two-state solution an invitation to ethnic cleansing and colonizing? If all citizens were to be treated equally, there’d be no need to create another ‘independent’ state to expel them into.
Starmer says both sides should ‘de-escalate’ (to restore the status quo ante).
kelvinFull MemberThere are many problems with the two-state solution, but it is a route away from the “status quo” that was negotiated and needs to be returned to. Starmer and Nandy have my support with their approach, but in reality, there’s very little either can do.
binnersFull MemberWhy are we even having this conversation on a thread about the Labour Leader?
What I don’t get is when it became compulsory for labour politicians to comment on everything that happens in Israel?
Given that the Israeli’s don’t give a flying **** what anyone thinks, least of all the leader of the opposition in the UK, why bother? Given that it will have absolutely zero impact on anything?
You’d think that given everything thats happened in the party over the last few years, why not file it under ‘subjects not to touch with a barge pole’ and have done with it?
The Tories don’t feel the need to comment on it. They must be laughing their tits off (again) as the labour party ties itself in knots again for no apparent reason
kelvinFull MemberI would hope government ministers have commented, and in much the same manner as the opposition front bench. Netanyahu won’t be listening to Raab much more than he’ll listen to Nandy though… ie not at all. He’ll have a deaf ear ready for Biden, never mind someone currently as irrelevant on the world stage as Starmer is right now.
binnersFull MemberGovernment ministers are all virtually invisible. They rarely comment on their own brief, let alone anything remotely controversial
A lesson to be learned there, perhaps?
bridgesFree MemberWhy are we even having this conversation on a thread about the Labour Leader?
Is it a bit uncomfortable for you?
What I don’t get is when it became compulsory for labour politicians to comment on everything that happens in Israel?
Because if you’re the leader of a party that is supposed to stand against racism, oppression, bigotry, hate, injustice etc, then it’s actually your job to condemn such, wherever you see it. Given the close links between Israel and the UK, particularly in the technology and weapons industries, it is actually important to stand against what is a fascistic apartheid regime. Because if you remain silent, you’re complicit in the crimes of that state.
Given that the Israeli’s don’t give a flying **** what anyone thinks, least of all the leader of the opposition in the UK, why bother? Given that it will have absolutely zero impact on anything?
The Israeli regime gave enough of a ‘flying ****’ to do it’s level best to undermine Corbyn, whom they saw as a potential threat to future trade and ‘diplomatic’ arrangements between the countries.
If trade and diplomatic links between Israel and the UK and much more so, the USA, were diminished in any way, this would have a massive effect on Israel’s survival as the state it has become. Hence why it’s in Israel’s best interests, to keep those ties and strengthen them. Because without UK and US help, Israel wouldn’t be able to bomb the **** out of innocent children. And before anyone whines on about Hamas etc; remind yourself which nation uses jet bombers, white phospohorus, poisoning water supplies, all sorts of forms of torture, detention without trial (often of children), and basically state sponsored murder and ethnic cleansing.
So, you still think UK politicians should turn a blind eye?
kelvinFull MemberSo, you still think UK politicians should turn a blind eye?
Who said they should?
bridgesFree MemberThe Tories don’t feel the need to comment on it.
Oops.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no10-slaps-down-tory-minister-24092863
You don’t do your homework, do you?
Who said they should?
Binners, essentially.
kelvinFull MemberStarmer and Nandy have been clear about what Britain should be doing right now. What more do you require from them? To “unfriend” their sister party in Israel? To denounce the two state solution, and instead… propose what? Should they not be asking for all the violence to end, and for everyone to return to the peace process?
binnersFull MemberIs it a bit uncomfortable for you?
Not even remotely. But thanks for doing your achingly predictable knee-jerk reaction and labelling me an ant-semite/racist, while you publicly polish your ideologically pure halo for us all once again.
So, you still think UK politicians should turn a blind eye?
Who said they should?
Binners, essentially.
I’ve said nothing of the sort. I’ve just pointed out that the labour party feels compelled to give a running commentary on Israel, when it achieves absolutely nothing. Its completely pointless as the present Israeli regime doesn’t give a monkeys what any of them think. They’ll carry on with their genocidal aggression regardless.
What it does do is reinforce the view formed under Corbyns leadership that the Labour party isn’t actually a serious political party at all, but a protest group.
That link you posted about Zac Goldsmith actually proves my point. ‘Number 10’ has effectively told Tory MPs ‘don’t touch this subject with a barge pole’
Labour should do the same
The Israeli regime gave enough of a ‘flying ****’ to do it’s level best to undermine Corbyn
Well if we listen to the commentary from ‘the left’ bunker, apparently everybody and his uncle did that
dazhFull MemberTo support binners I’d ask why we’ve moved on to Israel/Palestine when the discussion of senior politician’s drinking habits was much more interesting. At least then we can’t be accused of being anti-semites/nazis 🙂
I wonder if any of them like a decent sour IPA or imperial stout? Rayner’s probably a Strongbow dark fruits type I reckon with a sneaky half bottle of vodka smuggled into the pub to top it up.
bridgesFree MemberAt least then we can’t be accused of being anti-semites/nazis 🙂
Well, you’ve still failed to explain your anti-Semitic comment about Mandelson, so I can see why you’d prefer the discussion to move away from such issues. It’s a bit awkward, isn’t it?
I’ve said nothing of the sort.
Except:
You’d think that given everything thats happened in the party over the last few years, why not file it under ‘subjects not to touch with a barge pole’ and have done with it?
Oh dear. Your own post, too. That’s embarrassing.
kelvinFull MemberI wonder if any of them like a decent sour IPA
Wise of them to keep it secret if they do. Only for fruitloops and posers.
dazhFull MemberOnly for fruitloops and posers.
Got one of these for the weekend. Guilty as charged!
binnersFull MemberI always picture Mandleson with an elaborate cocktail of some sort
dazhFull MemberPfff my highly tongue in cheek comment about Mandelson has been deleted. Total sense of humour failure somewhere. 🙄
kelvinFull MemberWas it seen as promoting drinking gin instead of proper beer? That is crossing a line.
dazhFull MemberWas it seen as promoting drinking gin instead of proper beer?
I think it might be that discussion of the drinking habits of jewish homosexuals is against forum policy?
dazhFull MemberDoes that label say 9.5%
It does. Haven’t tried it yet, will report back tomorrow evening. Would Peter Mandelson drink it though? Or is asking the question too anti-semitic for the likes of Bridges? 😏
binnersFull MemberDaz laughs in the face of 9.5%
Then he goes outside and shouts at buses
ernielynchFull MemberGiven that the Israeli’s don’t give a flying **** what anyone thinks, least of all the leader of the opposition in the UK, why bother? Given that it will have absolutely zero impact on anything?
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Obviously I’m using the ‘couldn’t be more wrong’ comment very loosely binners. Your impressive ability to be wrong about stuff makes it very difficult to figure out when you could be more wrong.
Btw binners I think it’s your picture posting talent which keeps me coming back to this thread. I hate reading dull stuff without any pictures.
bridgesFree MemberPfff my highly tongue in cheek comment about Mandelson has been deleted. Total sense of humour failure somewhere.
Maybe it’s just because your idea of ‘humour’ isn’t the same as other people’s. YOU might have thought it was funny, I didn’t. I found it very offensive. That’s why I reported it. Good to see it’s been removed. Quite why you thought it appropriate to refer to Mandelson’s cultural heritage, I have no idea. It’s clear you are ignorant about real anti-Semitism though. I don’t personally believe you to be genuinely hateful, just thoughtless. Perhaps take the time to enlighten yourself a bit better, so you don’t make the same mistakes in future.
I think it might be that discussion of the drinking habits of jewish homosexuals is against forum policy?
Would Peter Mandelson drink it though? Or is asking the question too anti-semitic for the likes of Bridges?
Ok, so you’re now attempting to laugh it off, which is understandable, as you’ve been somewhat embarrassed. But move on now. You can rise above this nonsense.
nickcFull MemberI think I’d be on the floor. One of the things to “enjoy” in Morzine was the Mutzig at Bar Robinson. Speaking to the v grumpy owner there once, he told me it could be anything between 8-12% depending on a bunch of brewing sciency stuff that I didn’t understand. Which sort of made it more understandable why my legs weren’t working as well as I expected them to.
bridgesFree MemberYour impressive ability to be wrong about stuff makes it very difficult to figure out when you could be more wrong.
Lol! You’re going to need some Savlon on that burn, Binners. 😀
dazhFull MemberPerhaps take the time to enlighten yourself a bit better, so you don’t make the same mistakes in future.
Binners you know what you were saying yesterday about lefties being sanctimonious and patronising? You’re not wrong in this case.
nickcFull MemberOk, so you’re now attempting to laugh it off, which is understandable, as you’ve been somewhat embarrassed.
Dude, seriously, I think the lump of coal some-one shoved up your ass is probably well on it’s way to becoming a diamond. Chill the **** out. We’re none of us on a mission to seek the ultimate truth here, we’re just slacking off our day jobs.
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