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  • Sir! Chris! Hoy!
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    stanley
    Full Member

    This has hit me particularly hard this morning. I’m so gutted for Chris and his family. He’s achieved so much and is still so young.

    I want to try and help him. I’m in a similar boat… Stage 4 incurable* prostate cancer with metastatic spread to lymph nodes. 53 years old at diagnosis (2 years ago). I’ve been through the chemotherapy and radiotherapy that Chris is going through. I’m also likely on the same hormone therapy. It’s been tough but I’m really well at the moment.

    I just hope Chris can get through this treatment and have more good years than had been suggested.

    *I refuse to call it terminal. It’s incurable but treatable.

    As I’ve mentioned several times on here… Get yourselves tested!!

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    augustuswindsock
    Full Member

    Sending positive vibes to you Stanley and Sir Chris, we’re all rooting for you both!

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    Bunnyhop
    Full Member

    Yes, sending positive vibes too, to Stanley (looking great when I saw you last), also Sir Chris who’s been a favourite in our household for years.

    let’s hope that science and medicine can find some cures for both MS and most cancers in the next few years.

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    DickBarton
    Full Member

    Hopefully not a daft question, more due to no idea how it all works…

    Not 50 yet, but how do you go about getting tested?

    Is it just a case of calling the GP for an appointment and asking for a test?

    I’d be keen to get tested just to make sure I’m clear…

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    Caher
    Full Member

    I got a slight torn hernia doing Zwift last January but as a precaution my GP gave me a prostate exam. Just ask.

    Being thinking about Chris Hoy all day as this shows how indiscriminate this terrible disease is. Lost my  best mate 30 years ago to it.

    jako
    Full Member

    I felt very sad when I heard this news yesterday. Always been a great fan of Sir Chris

    Spin
    Free Member

    Not 50 yet, but how do you go about getting tested?

    Just call the GP. Combo of blood test and physical exam. I had a test at 48 as my dad had just been diagnosed and the consultant felt that put me at increased risk.

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    natrix
    Free Member

    My children loved their Hoy bikes, riding through the woods to school, trail centres and even a few races, great bikes.  Note that a prostate test can also pick up other issues (within a week of mine I’d had a further 3 urine tests, a couple of blood tests and 4 ultrasound scans – thankfully it was nothing serious)

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    iainc
    Full Member

    As I’ve mentioned several times on here… Get yourselves tested!!

    I was diagnosed at same age as Sir Chris is now, 48. Thankfully mine was caught at Stage 2 and was still contained in the prostate, which was removed 10 years ago next month and so far I remain cancer free.

    There are a few GPs on here who will be along shortly, they usually are, to say that the PSA blood screening test is not much good and will only be applied by your GP if you have other risk factors, which is about right unfortunately.

    In mu case, I was at the doctor anyway, on the back of a bad bike tumble, and mentioned that I was up at the loo a few times most nights, so he suggested checking my PSA as a precaution.  It was elevated and they retested it a month later and it was the same, so that led to more tests and I had surgery a few weeks later.

    If you have any concerns it is best to have a proper chat with your GP, and be aware that they may reluctant to do a PSA blood test if you have no other indicators of risk.

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    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    Good article in the Guardian by William Fotheringham partly covering how he’s dealing with it all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/oct/20/chris-hoy-a-remarkable-determined-human-being-unchanged-by-success

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    bumpy
    Free Member

    Well one company have decided to use this news for some marketing. Not sure it’s going to help them though.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEpXuSgM_tr/?igsh=andobnJsejUyenZu

    Absolute bastards.

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    stevenmenmuir
    Free Member

    Is there a link between prostate cancer and fundraising for an extra long brush? What a stupid thing to do.

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    bruneep
    Full Member

    Seems they’ve taken the reel down or it’s been taken down for them.

    Screenshot_20250111_083306_Instagram

    One to avoid buying from

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    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Is there a link between prostate cancer and fundraising for an extra long brush?

    I have some suggestions on where they should put the brush. Whether that has any effect on prostate cancer risk, not sure.

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    fatmax
    Full Member

    What an absolute shower of sh*ts for doing this. I really hope they suffer. They’ve crossed a clear line with this, so inappropriate.

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    trail_rat
    Free Member

    He’s doubling down on it as well.

    Managed to Avoid answering the direct question of having the expressed consent of the man him self while fighting back to others.

    Ratner him self couldn’t have written the script

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    martinhutch
    Full Member

    He’s now plugging Sir Chris’ book in the comments on insta to try to offset the damage. What lube for back-pedalling?

    trail_rat
    Free Member

    Nah judging by the number of times he’s posted the same 2 comments it’s an attempt to dilute and hide all the negative feedback.

    jimmy
    Full Member

    I’ll play devil’s advocate.

    IF the scientific research is true… Companies continuing to use carcinogenic ingredients in lube is pretty terrible, why shouldn’t a link be drawn? Maybe we’ve got our heads in the sand and it’s about time the science was brought to life with a very high profile (and yes very sad) case. He’s not making light of Hoy’s situation, he’s calling those companies out and also the fact his company (and others) use non-carcinogenic ingredients.

    I don’t really see the problem but feel free to flame.

    Edit: is it any different to calling out fossil fuel companies in light of the LA fires?

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    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Companies continuing to use carcinogenic ingredients in lube is pretty terrible, why shouldn’t a link be drawn?

    My understanding is that the carcinogen is used during the manufacturing process, whereas PTFE in itself is not classed as a carcinogen.

    So there’s a strong argument for not using PTFE for any product, which would be a fair point if he just said that.

    But in this case, it’s very thin argument that the end user is being exposed or at higher risk. If you look at his comments, he talks about the ‘production of PTFE’.

    So he must know that a lube containing PTFE has a very low chance of including the PFOAs that ARE a carcinogen, so he must know that the chance of Sir Chris Hoy’s cancer being caused this way is vanishingly small compared to all other possibilities, including genetics, exposure to some other environmental factor, or the potentially inflammatory effects down below of being in the saddle for hours every day for the past 30 years (also not a proven association, although there is some evidence).

    The premise of the video is IMO entirely wrongheaded, and ends up using Sir Chris’ tragic personal circumstances as a method of attacking a commercial rival.

    mashr
    Full Member

    why shouldn’t a link be drawn?

    Absolutely no problem with someone drawing a link. Is the link being used in a peer reviewed and published Lancet article or for pedalling the author’s product?

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    Spin
    Free Member

    why shouldn’t a link be drawn?

    Because with something like prostate cancer it’s impossible to say what caused it.

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    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Because with something like prostate cancer it’s impossible to say what caused it.

    And it is a source of considerable anxiety to many people with cancer who wonder if it was something they ate, drank, or came into contact with that has caused this.

    Certainly when I developed cancer in my 20s it was a while before I learned to stop worrying whether I was still in contact with the substance responsible. <Cracks open another can of Diet Coke>.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    I see they are now getting dragged on the Road.cc news section, Muc-off have responded to say they haven’t used PTFE for years due to ‘environmental concerns’.

    To be clear, we do not use PTFE in any of our current product range as we took a decision many years ago to become 100% PTFE free due to environmental concerns. We are in the process of reviewing our options regarding these false allegations.

    Yet another way in which the original video was inaccurate and misleading . GreenOil’s ‘CEO’ needs to learn when to start fact-checking, and more importantly, when to stop digging.

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-brands-really-poor-taste-chris-hoy-cancer-video-312071

    DickBarton
    Full Member

    He has obviously jumped on-board with X and Meta’s stance of removing fact checkers…let the population make up their own minds, etc!
    Never a good sign…

    trail_rat
    Free Member

    telling when the only positive comment on the post comes from a poster called

    “greendrinkslondon”

    doesnt take a genuis and even less digging to verify who that account belongs to …..

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    https://www.greendrinks.org/London

    Doesn’t he know that astroturf is a well-known source of PFAS ‘forever chemicals’?

    pictonroad
    Full Member

    What a silly sausage. I disagree with the current trend of insisting that anyone who says something stupid should be hung, but bloody eck, what a plonker.

    Sir Chris is, quite rightly, a level above royalty and you’d have to be monumentally bad at judgement to think this was a good idea.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    From the little i know bladder cancer has a link with chemical exposure.  Pristate cancer has no known environmental links

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    poly
    Free Member

    None of the Green Oil range has been animal tested. The only animals we test on are you the rider. In the spirit of Anita Roddick, we are against animal testing.

    it’s quite a bold claim that the product is not carcinogenic if it (or its components) have not been tested on animals!  Whilst their lube might be non-hazardous (according to its own MSDS which described it as non flammable but then provides quite specific fire fighting instructions!). Some of their other products are not – including eg their Apple degreaser which is apparently only carcinogenic in Germany!  Whilst that probably tells you more about their marketing and proof reading process it does highlight that sometimes wild claims about product safety are unwise.  Eg the lube advises that if it comes into contact with skin you should wash it off with plenty of soap and water – which is presumably what people do with any lube, reducing the risk of exposure to any harmful ingredients.  Oddly whilst described as non hazardous the labelling specifically says “DO NOT DRINK” and the safety sheet tells you how to treat accidental ingestion.

    which is why I felt the need to respond to this:

    I’ll play devil’s advocate.

    IF the scientific research is true… Companies continuing to use carcinogenic ingredients in lube is pretty terrible, why shouldn’t a link be drawn?

    There’s carcinogens all over the place, since we don’t drink or bathe in lube its risk may be low, whilst not all carcinogens are equally risky.  In fact I suspect there is greater risk of exposure from cleaning fluids – which green oil’s comes with plenty of warning labels!

    Maybe we’ve got our heads in the sand and it’s about time the science was brought to life with a very high profile (and yes very sad) case.

    delighted if people post actual science – but since their product has a secret formula and no public safety testing data we are reliant on the manufacturer’s own assessment.  IF something cycling related contributed to Chris’ condition then we should know, but he knows it almost certainly had nothing to do with the oil on his chain (which he probably didn’t even apply himself!).    Suggesting it did would detract from other causes which might (but probably didn’t) contribute – like saddle design, nutritional supplements, training regimes, etc.  I sell a product with some vaguely better eco claims is not science.

    He’s not making light of Hoy’s situation, he’s calling those companies out and also the fact his company (and others) use non-carcinogenic ingredients.

    i don’t think he’s making light of the situation, but he is attempting to exploit it for his own commercial gain..

    garage-dweller
    Full Member

    https://road.cc/content/news/chris-hoy-legal-action-over-cancer-chain-lube-clip-312155

    Bit of follow-up news on the Green Oil position in case anyone is interested.

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    Mark
    Full Member

    PTFE is a stable polymer used extensivley in medical implants amongst other things. Plumbers have been using it for donkeys years.

    In the MANUFACTURE of PTFE there are other polymers created and used. These are collectively known as PFAS polymers and PTFE is one of them. Some of these PFAS polymers are known toxins and carcinogens. PTFE is not one of the problem PFAS chemicals. The problem is you can’t make PTFE currently without ending up with some of these PFAS polymers being emmited and found in the environment around the manufacturing factories. That’s what was the subject of the film Dark Water that was referenced in Mr Green Oils misplaced marketing. Black Water is not a film about PTFE. It’s about PFAS polymers. PTFE is one of them but not one of the bad ones.

    That then means it’s extremely unlikely that Sir Chris Hoy’s cancer is a result of PFAS (PTFE is not a known carcinogen) unless Sir Chris was involved in the manufacture of MUC OFF’s products. I’d say it’s safe to say he was just an end user.

    That’s why there’s now legal action against Green Oil.

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    Could MucOff take legal action as well, it’s effectively their products that were accused of being carcinogenic?

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    trail_rat
    Free Member

    He’s deleted the nonsense but the damage is done. I’ll piss on my chain rather than use stuff from that brand.

    Zero trust in their methods given the massive holes in their ethics and science.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Him taking the posts down has satisfied Sir Chris’ management, but it may not have dealt with mucoff’s concerns.

    It’s amazing how some people will just keep digging and doubling down.

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    fatmax
    Full Member

    It’s the least sincere apology possible. And he only posted it to Instagram and not his Facebook or YouTube channels.

    He’s obviously a huge ? end.

    Imagine being Chris Hoy and having to deal with stuff like this – last thing he needs.

    fatmax
    Full Member

    It’s the least sincere apology possible. And he only posted it to Instagram and not his Facebook or YouTube channels.

    He’s obviously a huge ? end.

    Imagine being Chris Hoy and having to deal with stuff like this – last thing he needs.

    Aidy
    Free Member

    It’s the least sincere apology possible.

    It’s weird how he apologises for the post his company made as if a) it happened without his knowledge or approval, and b) he’s not the only employee.

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