Singular Gryphon – Can I have a look at yours please
Got a strange longing for some drop bar action in my life and love the look of the singular. Can I have a look at how folks have them set up and are there any hydraulic discs for dropbars or is it a case of using the road version of the BB7?
any other suggestions for a monster cross/cyclo cross ish bike would also be welcome (not a massive fan of the surly cross check it just looks a bit duff)
cheersPosted 6 years agoOCBMember
I love mine.
I use the MTB version of the BB7’s with Cane Creek Drop-V levers (so there is enough pull). If it gets geared, it’ll be on bar-end shifters, but this one is almost certain to stay as single-speeder.
It’s not a great picture for resolving build details, but nevertheless…
Other options could include say … a Peregrine?
I love mine (etc). 😉
(I did wonder about trying to sneak my Swift in as well, but he’s got Jones Loop bars, so it would have just been too much of a contrivance).
Sam, if you are going to do a fat-bike … where am I going to put it?Posted 6 years ago
smacks of someone who doesn’t know how a mountain bike should ride
yep, that’ll be the 20 odd years of riding mountain bikes in all guises all over the world then 😆
EDIT: i didn’t say they were owned by numpties, i said that they were usually owned by red faced gentlemen of a larger girth who ride slowly around trail centers.
see there is a massive difference between the two statements.Posted 6 years ago
whats the reasoning for drop bars off road?
From drop bar zealot Shiggy.
My research consists of 21 years of riding dropbars off road (since 1985) for everything from XC racing to trials to DH. I have tried many other not-straight bars over the years and test ridden bikes with various straight bars.
Why it works for me:
My wrists, elbows and shoulders are in a position that allows my arm to effectively absorb impacts and reduce shock transmission. With straight bars my joints lock out. Straight bars hurt me. Drops do not.
Because of the mobility of my upper body I can adjust to impacts and maneuver more easily.
Most of my riding is done deep in the hooks of the bars. Impacts and bumps drive the bars into my palms increasing my hold on the bar without needing a vice-like grip. On a straight bar the same impacts try to rip my thumbs off as my hands move forward.
I can easily use one or two fingers on the brake levers with ZERO reduction of grip on the bar or control loss.
I have a greater range of motion in the cockpit. Not locked into one position. More mobility = more able to shift body weight = more control.
Stability, carving and flickablity. I feel like I am riding IN the bike rather than on top of it. Much easier to control.
Flared drops increase comfort and control compared to road drops.
Flared drops have better tree clearance than wide straight bars.
Drops give me a couple of other hand positions for climbing and just cruising on the flats. Not relevant for this discussion.
For off road use drops MUST be setup properly. An off road drop has less reach and less drop than a road bar. It is wider with the ends flared at 10-30 degrees. Made with thicker walled tubing.
A short reach, high rise stem is usually necessary. The hook of the drop should be in about the same position as the grip of any other bar (use the location of your thumb and index finger as the reference point). It does not matter how the hand gets there. Just matters where it is.
Disadvantages for me? Just a couple:
High center section reduces clearance (I do have a full face helmet and a stem pad).
Generally heavier than a straight bar setup
More limited brake choice (though I have no complains with the Avids).
Not a setup for everyone. I do not claim it to be.
Most parts used on mtbs were used in the beginning because they were available.
Swept-back cruiser bars were not strong enough in the late ’70s. BMX bars were too tall. Motorcycle bars were available and strong. Other choices are available now (Jones HBar, On-One Mary) as people realize mtbs are not motos.
Most riders use what they learned with and what is widely available. Rarely do they try anything other than minor variations on the theme.
My personal view pretty much echoes this, though I’d add a couple of things.
– your arms are pulling from a much stronger position – it’s like being on your bar-ends but a position with much more control than bar ends.Posted 6 years ago
– he does mention it but it’s worth repeating – having a wide variety of hand positions which change your body position makes a huge difference to comfort when riding long distances.RikMember
That’s fine Sam but your website clearly states (or used to) that your bikes are designed around xc riders and if you huck or ride all-mountain (or whatever it’s called this week) then your bikes are not the bikes you should be riding or buying.
Your views on drop bars off road and bars in general echo this type of thinking.
If you want to ride fast, downhill in the Lakes, Peak and big rocky mountain terrain in general, then drop handlebars, flat narrow handlebars and rigid forks are not the right components to have.
If you ride at Thetford or on the south down you can have these components and ride fast on that chosen terrain.Posted 6 years ago
The italicised section above is not from me, I thought I’d made that clear. My views of my bikes in general (I guess will need to update with the forthcoming Buzzard)is as you say – though I’m not sure how it’s relevant here. I don’t think there are many people who ride ‘all-mountain’ (i.e. big drops, hucks, DH race type stuff) who prefer or use drop bars. However for a lot of people for a lot of their riding they end up finding they like them (and find them capable) for a lot more than they expected. It is one of those (many) things, you really need to try before being able to make a decision.Posted 6 years agoRikMember
I have tried I bought a gryphon, for touring and green lane riding. Not for off road riding as I live next to the Peak.
I sold the gryphon as I found the bike a bit dead feeling out of the saddle, long stays I think. But I have continued the experiment with a proto TD-1 as it has 16.5 inch stays which feels a lot livelier on the road, but still maintains it’s green lane ability with bigger tyres on.
Like I say I think where you live and what you terrain ride has a lot to do with the situation.Posted 6 years ago
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