Since when is Russell Brand such an expert on politics ?

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  • ormondroyd
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    Genuine question Binners – what exactly do you expect a coalition to do? Exempt themselves from any decisions, execute no policies etc. Keep the seats warm until the next election?

    I don’t expect them to go far beyond either party’s manifesto

    konabunny
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    But then zephaniah calmly debunked what he was saying without the need for Brand’s excesses and made him look absurd.

    That’ll do a great job of engaging the massive proportion of the huge Question Time audience that isn’t interested in politics.

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    Genuine question Binners – what exactly do you expect a coalition to do? Exempt themselves from any decisions, execute no policies etc. Keep the seats warm until the next election?

    Well, when you’ve said specifically in your manifesto ‘there will be no more top down re-organisations of the NHS’, and remember this….

    then you promptly embark on a completely ideological top down re-organisations of the NHS, to privatise it! And best not mention Clegg and this eh?

    edward2000
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    He’s just a massive socialist and would fit in well with socialist exonomies with the likes of Cuba.

    noteeth
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    then you promptly embark on a completely ideological top down re-organisations of the NHS

    Well exactly. Although it’s clearly a mixture of those who are actively & mendaciously hoping for the fragmentation of services, and those who have very little clue as to what an utter clusterfug they have unleashed (despite clear warnings from the frontline).

    Either way, the coming winter is going to be grim.

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    teamhurtmore – Member

    What economists might refer to as the “crowding out effect.” Lots of people work extremely hard to address the (valid) points that Brand raises and tend to stick at it. They are the people who should be listened to (and are).But instead we are “suckered” into believing that we require a “celebrity” (who ironically is a very good example of how social mobility is actually very alive and kicking) to be a representative of the people, when he is nothing of the sort.

    Cause comes before effect, traditionally- Brand isn’t crowding anyone out, he’s adding an extra voice to a lot of frankly unheard ones and speaking to an audience they’re not reaching never mind engaging with.

    Well we shall see NW we shall see. But interesting to read the latest:

    He said: “At the next election we shall have a choice between the people who’ve given us five years of austerity, the people who left us this mess, and the people who signed public pledges that they wouldn’t raise student fees, and then did so – the most blatant lie in recent political history.”

    No wonder this annoyed Cleggy. So what do you reckon to these “words of the people”?

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    I think it was a blatant lie, but not the most blatant in recent political history. Silly to focus on that one point really when the real problem is that everyone who voted liberal may as well have voted tory.

    Everything else in the paragraph is clearly true.

    Cause comes before effect, traditionally- Brand isn’t crowding anyone out, he’s adding an extra voice to a lot of frankly unheard ones and speaking to an audience they’re not reaching never mind engaging with.

    Agreed. I would like to see this http://inequalityforall.com/ Robert Reich seems to be exactly the appropriate voice some on this thread are looking for (well at least in the states) but unfortunately i doubt he would kick off the same storm that RB could.

    Exactly, so thank goodness we have folk like Paxman * who come straight to the point instead of having to tolerate flowery BS!!!

    * sorry (slightly cheap shot 😉 ) but this is a quote from Paxman’s RT article today. Makes so much more sense that Brand’s ramblings doesn’t it.

    Paxo to lead the revolution (of consciousness)!!!

    yunki
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    So what do you reckon to these “words of the people”?

    they have imbued me with a raging melancholic duplicity from which I fear I may never resurface

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    teamhurtmore – Member

    Exactly, so thank goodness we have folk like Paxman * who come straight to the point instead of having to tolerate flowery BS!!!

    And would he have written this without Brand’s appearance? Sorry but your post is proving the other side’s point- Brand has got people talking.

    Are we still discussing RB, or have we started to debate what he said?

    @Northwind – if he has caused any of the disenfranchised to become politicised then good, but will they act.

    Probably not NW, hence my OP, “since the BBC felt the need to dumb down Newsnight.” or words to that effect.

    Paxman probably did as much and I will wager will be pushing politicians buttons more effectively and long after the moth has flown to his next bright light.

    But in answer to your question, yes he (Paxo) does it the whole time, which partly explains why Cleggy got a bit hot under the collar today.

    ormondroyd
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    I think it was a blatant lie, but not the most blatant in recent political history.

    Very subjective whatever way we look at it, but my case for the prosecution is that hundreds of thousands of people were promised they’d pay nothing, and will now be paying tens of thousands of pounds. That’s quite big

    ormondroyd
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    Paxman probably did as much and I will wager will be pushing politicians buttons more effectively and long after the moth has flown to his next bright light.

    And this isn’t a “bright light” for Paxman? He’s entrenched in the system. I like him, he’s very good at what he does, but he’s not going to run with the agenda once it stops being current big news

    yunki
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    Russell Brand’s mother Jo, was earlier quoted as saying ‘I ate an entire cake once before I realised it wasn’t a cake at all, it was my husband’s face.. Blimey’

    yesterday the press hated him for being a sex mad ex heroin addict

    I think the press and politicians hate him for being liked and being honest – I think that’s what’s often known as jealousy.

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    I find Paxman overly pugilistic. I’d be nice to see people carefully and calmly outmanoevre people instead of battering them.

    MrSmith
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    He’s obviously angered you,

    Angered? Not really, he’s just a celebrity popinjay not a child murderer.

    evidenced by your continuing diatribe against him, but is there really any need to use a terrible medical condition which has devastating effects on the sufferer, as a term of ad hominem insult?

    I doubt he cares what I called him, it was used as a general derogatory term not a direct reference to somebody suffering a thyroid condition. If it offends you then that’s too bad.

    I don’t know why people are claiming he’s some sort of ‘spokesperson’ for anyone; he’s not, and doesn’t claim to be. He’s just voicing his own thoughts. As we all are doing on here. Difference is, he has a much bigger audience. Is that what stings so much? Are you pissed off because more people pay attention to him, than they do to you? Diddums.

    LOL Sucks thumb, gurgles, chuckles, shits in nappy.

    konabunny
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    Paxman probably did as much and I will wager will be pushing politicians buttons more effectively and long after the moth has flown to his next bright light.

    Paxman is just part of the charade here. Newsnight is just Punch and Judy for the politically engaged.

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