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  • core
    Member

    I normally ride with a camelback mule, 2/3 full of water, multitool, tyre levers, patches, 1 tube, leatherman, pump, lightweight jacket (if it’s not raining when we start) and a small 1st aid kit. May seem overkill, but after a few k’s you don’t know it’s there.

    Had my derailleur hanger snap in forest of dean after taking a dodgy shortcut and a stick getting caught in spokes, managed to get it all apart with the help of the leatherman, wouldn’t have otherwise, so I had somewhere to store the derailleur & chain & could coast back to the shop for a new hanger. Would have been a shit day otherwise!

    Junkyard
    Member

    I carry a spare mech hanger 8)

    I carry:
    2 tubes
    1 pump
    1 shockpump
    3 prs gloves
    1 gilet
    1 waterproof
    2 hats
    2 buffs
    multi tool
    swiss army knife
    lube
    zip ties
    canister of spares
    2 spr brake pad sets
    1st aid kit
    3l water
    gps
    energy gels
    headtorch
    pen
    camera and headcam

    but i am at work!

    Kevevs
    Member

    Pump, puncture stuff/spare tube, allen keys, etc are not safety equipment, just the basics to keep your bike going when the inevitable happens. Anyone that has cycled a few miles a few times knows this.

    I carry:
    2 tubes
    1 pump
    1 shockpump
    3 prs gloves
    1 gilet
    1 waterproof
    2 hats
    2 buffs
    multi tool
    swiss army knife
    lube
    zip ties
    canister of spares
    2 spr brake pad sets
    1st aid kit
    3l water
    gps
    energy gels
    headtorch
    pen
    camera and headcam

    Fark me! Even for a week away I take less!

    70 miles today, 2 tubes, patches, pump, multool, and 750ml of water (filled up again half way).

    Offroad I might add a mech hanger, gear cable and brake pads.

    In winter a gillet and arm warmers.

    But how do you not fall over sideways with all that!

    Premier Icon nickc
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    Never understood why people carry shockpumps.

    mind you if you’re carrying all that crap all the time, you may as well.

    Kevevs
    Member

    suspect bobbyspangles was taking the almighty pish. Unless his every ride is a vast tour into the unknown wilderness behind the Nationwide in Swindon.Or his job requires all that kit to look after noobs like in the op? What do you do BobbyS?

    Premier Icon colournoise
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    Always carry what I consider the basics –

    Tube
    Patches
    Pump
    Multi tool
    Leatherman
    Couple of zip ties
    Small 1st aid kit

    All live permanently in my hydration pack which I wear every ride out of habit (even if I don’t put the bladder in it). Had too many long boring walks early on in my time MTBing to not want to be able to fix/bodge anything that goes wrong.

    Would help out anyone without spares/tools, but would probably be thinking what a stupid fecker they were while doing so.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Kevevs – Member – Quote
    suspect bobbyspangles was taking the almighty pish.

    chaseskills wrote:

    I carry:
    stuff
    but i am at work!

    No he is at work, I’m assuming as a bike guide.
    Pump
    Tubes (even though I’m tubeless)
    Hanger
    Multi Tool
    1st Aid kit
    Water
    Food
    Camera
    GoPro
    in the UK throw in jacket and spare top unless it’s the 2 sunny days.

    It’s not a race, everyone else isn’t there to help me.

    I run ChaseSkills mtb coaching/guiding company. so the extra is alway sfor others as well as myself.
    to be honest it is lovely to go for a local blast without anything at all! just me, my bike and a water bottle!

    although the last time i managed this i ended up with 2 punctures.

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    On trail centre stuff i carry malt whisky in hipflask/bottle cage holder if that counts as safety equipment (medicinal?), i don’t carry anything else but if i’m heading into the hills for an all day explore i may carry a teeny seatpack with a couple of co2 canisters, tubeless patch and mini tool.

    Some peeps may want to carry the entire contents of their toolbox and spares kit so if it makes them feel equipped then hey-ho – crack on.

    Premier Icon thorlz
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    I always carry as follows:
    2 tubes (even though I am tubeless)
    Patches
    Bike multitool and a gerber
    Gear cable
    Chain missing link
    Cable ties

    And when further a field
    1st aid kit/foil blanket
    Map/compass
    Clothing, food as required.

    May be overkill for some people, but my ride time is precious and I don’t intend on walking most of it. I also normally have to pick my lad after a ride so timing is very important.
    As such I factor extra time in my rides to cover breakdowns/ getting lost. I would rather carry kit than factor in / have to do a 10 mile walk.
    Each to their own though.

    persona
    Member

    Yesterday I was stopped at the side of the track fixing a flat, a feller on a Glory came down with no pack or anything, pushing as he had a flat. “Have you got a spare”. You know what? I’d been carrying my kit all race while he was getting the benefit of riding light, no way was he getting any help off me. In the event, I only had 1 anyway so I didn’t have to make the call. Again, right or wrong?

    Wrong! You should have ridden down on your flat tyre and repaired it in the gondola so as to lose far less places. Oh.. wait! silly me, you were only “eventing” not “racing” weren’t you? πŸ˜†

    IanW
    Member

    How dare they, It should be in the golf club rules to be more responsible.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Oh.. wait! silly me, you were only “eventing” not “racing” weren’t you?

    Can’t work out if you’re joking or sommat, but you sound like a right tosser. πŸ˜•

    I don’t carry the kitchen sink, will help others I come across, but I’m not giving them my only tube.

    And anyone who uses the term “mamats” really needs to be beaten to death with the contents of their ridiculously overfilled Camelbak.

    Bike tools aren’t safety equipment. You aren’t going to die at a trail centre if your chain snaps or your tyre goes flat.

    Quite a few people at my local trail center don’t seem to bother with lids, which always strikes me as being a bit selfish.

    klumpy
    Member

    Thread just reminded me of when Ewan and Charlie first went adventuring on their BMW GS’s. They carried a complete toolkit – EACH. And a tent – EACH.

    Silly boys. But anyway, what’s a UCI? A type of pump?

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    persona – Member

    Wrong! You should have ridden down on your flat tyre and repaired it in the gondola so as to lose far less places.

    Nah, if you flat higher up it’s prety much time neutral, but you risk damaging the wheel. One thing to ride out the motorway, lower woods etc but another to batter it off all the rocks.

    fasthaggis
    Member

    I set off on a club run yesterday and forgot my pump,not a problem,plenty of others had one.
    Then I decided to head back early on my own.
    If I had got a flat ,it would have been a long annoying walk/faff to get home. You only have to get caught out once to learn that lesson.
    I don’t really want my cycling spoiled ,just because I forgot/didn’t take some kit. πŸ™‚

    Why all the replies? The question was answered by the first response.

    scruff
    Member

    bobbyspangles – Member
    I carry:
    2 tubes
    1 pump
    1 shockpump
    3 prs gloves
    1 gilet
    1 waterproof
    2 hats
    2 buffs
    multi tool
    swiss army knife
    lube
    zip ties
    canister of spares
    2 spr brake pad sets
    1st aid kit
    3l water
    gps
    energy gels
    headtorch
    pen
    camera and headcam

    You are Dale Laywood and I claim my Β£5.

    persona
    Member

    For the hard of understanding/quick to attack πŸ™„ Yes, I was joking.

    I always carry:

    10 tubes
    3 chains
    Foot pump
    track pump
    mini pump
    arm pump
    chain tool
    chain whip
    cassette tool
    marmalade sandwiches
    pruning shears
    toe nail clippers
    barn owl
    fret saw
    bench grinder
    cheese knife
    pair of compasses
    wallpaper steamer
    salad spinner
    eye gouger
    faberge egg
    chameleon
    false teeth
    real teeth
    counter sink
    kitchen sink
    trevor francis track suits from a mush in shepherds bush

    forgot me tyre levers yesterday though.

    b r
    Member

    Had too many long boring walks early on in my time MTBing to not want to be able to fix/bodge anything that goes wrong.

    This.

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    I generally take sufficient tools and spares to cover my own needs.

    couple of tubes, patches and a pump, plus split links and multi-tools, I try to strike a sensible balance between being self sufficient and carrying the kitchen sink.

    If I encounter someone who’s not planed ahead and is in trouble, I offer a spare tube or a patch and the use of my tools/pump and some friendly help as required… General common decency to help out a fellow human being in distress innit?

    I’ve helped strangers like this a couple of times and there’s no point crowing or telling them “what they should have bought along” they’ve just learned the lesson and you can guarantee they’ll always b the one to carry a spare tube/pump/multitool in future…

    TBH telling them off for failing to plan and being a grudging dick about sharing a tube and some tools only serves to put beginers off the sport. I’d rather they learned a useful lesson and went away believing that MTBing is a sport/activity full of friendly helpful people so they stay involved… but that’s just me…

    Edit-

    Also I’ve never heard the term “MAMAT” where does this (**** sounding) term come from? MBR?

    Premier Icon ahwiles
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    out of curiosity, my tyres are now tubeless.

    thanks to luck/tubeless, i haven’t had a puncture in about a year.

    to minimise faff, i only carry 1 tube, and it’s a 28er (yes).

    back in the good old days i’d hand out tubes to any poor soul who needed them. (i carried 2, so i didn’t snooker myself)

    but now, even if my 28″ tube fitted their bike, i’d be reluctant to hand over my tube – sod’s law dictates THAT would be the ride where my tubeless experiment failed.

    interesting… a combination of tubeless, and wagon-wheels, has turned me into a git.

    discoduck
    Member

    FFS, who cares !

    If you get a puncture and you have no spares you walk or ride on the rim !
    Any one would think that all the posts above were referring to outback riding where there are no means of gaining mobile phone coverage or there’s no fresh running water !

    “I’m off out on my bike dear I may be some time”
    – Have you got your spare cleats, spark plug wrench, blow torch & bear gun ?
    “Yes dear I have all those things, my camelback is 2/3rds full and if I drink it before the moon is in its 3rd phase I will surely die ! So I will return before the six ‘O’ clock news so you don’t have to look for the life insurance policy under all the shit I have aquired in case something might happen to me”

    Returning solo on a club ride with no pump is hardly a life changing lesson, if it is then you need to stay indoors more,

    WTF is a MAMATS ?

    And why is every one carrying Zip ties ? Wht are they going to do ?

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    out of curiosity, my tyres are now tubeless.

    thanks to luck/tubeless, i haven’t had a puncture in about a year.

    to minimise faff, i only carry 1 tube, and it’s a 28er (yes).

    back in the good old days i’d hand out tubes to any poor soul who needed them. (i carried 2, so i didn’t snooker myself)

    but now, even if my 28″ tube fitted their bike, i’d be reluctant to hand over my tube – sod’s law dictates THAT would be the ride where my tubeless experiment failed.

    interesting… a combination of tubeless, and wagon-wheels, has turned me into a git.

    Also Tubeless here and like you largely without incident for quite some time (touch wood).

    I still carry two tubes (26″) and some Park glueless patches, my logic being, that if one UST tyre goes, the other is still potentially the subject a separate failure, and tubes are still the best get home option, hence I carry two tubes, I also carry the patches as an extra, extra backup just in case having had to fit both tubes I then pick up a hole in one..

    The patches weigh barely anything and are simple enough to use, TBH though I’ve not had to resort to using them since going tubeless and only had to use one tube to re-inflate a holed tubeless tyre.
    But think about it, what’s the worst thing that could possibly happen on a ride?

    Say you run over something big and pointy enough to hole the front tyre, who’s to say it won’t catch the rear too? – Ride over without a means of repairing both.
    Or you get a front flat 10 miles in fix it with your one tube, only to get an un-fixable rear flat 20 miles into a 30 mile ride, you’re ride is knackered all for the want of a couple of hundred grams of Butyl…

    It’s a bit like playing rock, paper, sciscors I know but how else can you mitigate something as random as flat tyres?

    Of course as soon as I hand over a spare tube to a stranger in need I potentially open myself up to a similar fate too, maybe I should carry three or four tubes, just to be on the safe side πŸ˜‰

    And why is every one carrying Zip ties ? Wht are they going to do ?

    Hold stuff together?

    I smashed a front mech once and use a ziptie to hold it over the middle ring to avoid having to ride the next 10 miles in the granny.

    Junkyard
    Member

    I take the things that weight very little but may need replacing ,,pads , spare links, mech hanger, spare gear cable all weight next to nothing to carry
    multitool pump and 2 tubes.
    Emergency blanket and cheap plastic bivvy bag and whistle if proper remote/winter- oddly enough i carry more safety stuff walking than riding though I have yet to really injure myself walking but have a few times riding

    Would not like to find myself immoble in thin clothes waiting a few hours for rescue but each to their own

    core
    Member

    Cable ties weigh nothing, so chucking a couple in does no harm

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Aye, likewise spare pads, mech hanger, powerlink, all basically irrelevant weightwise and very small so not much reason not to.

    discoduck
    Member

    Ok now I can fess up to carrying foil blanket, orange bivvi and a whistle,

    persona
    Member

    Aye, likewise spare pads, mech hanger, powerlink, all basically irrelevant weightwise and very small so not much reason not to.

    Now you are joking, aren’t you? πŸ˜•

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Nope, was it inadvertantly funny? The mud on my camelbak probably weighs more than that stuff inside it.

    antigee
    Member

    Say you run over something big and pointy enough to hole the front tyre, who’s to say it won’t catch the rear too?

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2oymHHyV1M[/video]

    as seen before possibly too many times but i think other photos or vids of big pointy things at trail centres would be good

    Premier Icon akira
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    How many of the people who carry nothing with them have borrowed spares from a friend or stranger when they’ve had a mechanical?

    Junkyard
    Member

    Now you are joking, aren’t you?

    Are you?

    If you want to go riding armed only with your wits then please dont let me stop you

    Re zip ties I zip tied a rear jockey wheel in place when the bolt was lost

    I also zipped tied a wooden wedge when my rear shock bolt snapped

    tha time i did the next big drop to see if it worked ..WTF Was I thinking off πŸ™„

    Premier Icon iainc
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    i take my camelbak whenever on MTB, either wilderness or trail centre of somewhere in between. Standard contents are :

    2 tubes, multitool, leathernman, pair of brake pads, couple of zip ties, black tape, spare mech hanger. Also mini pump and fork pump, tick tiwsters and some wetwipes.

    If I have the kids with me I drop in a small first aid kit. For big days in the hills a warmer top and some food.

    I’d add that it’s up to individuals what they carry, but on our club rides we’ll help out others who don’t bring stuff….the first time….thereafter they will be subjected to ridicule and embarrassment πŸ™‚

    ninfan
    Member

    I’ve had a few occasions of someone begging a tube off me

    I now keep a puncture repair kit (I blagged a few off somewhere ages ago) in my bag for such ‘giveways’

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