Short wheelbase AM Hardtail that jumps, does it exist?
Most hardcore hardtails have suprisingly long chainstays to give them some stability (presumably compensating for the lack of suspension).
I used to do a fair bit of jumping on my 456 but that doesnt fit your ideas, you could considder a Chumba HX1 which is really short stays/low BB/slack angle. Neither’s got that ‘stays so short you’ll fall off the back feeling’ though.Posted 4 years agoVan HalenMember
Lol. A 456 is pretty much the opposite of the poster request. Long long long with long stays.
What the op describes is deeply unfashionable these days. All the mags say long is better. Well that’s ok if you ride trail centres and are deeply dull but those of us from a bygone age still lust after small and fun.
The dude from black market bikes knows the score. I read an interview a while back where he was taking the piss out of dhers for riding massive barges. If you ride for fun surely fun geometry is good?
I used to have a revell that was great. Useless as an alrounder but so much fun. What’s the geo on a charge blender? Ns bikes. Curtis bikes. Even dmr may have somthing but unless you are a shorarse day rides would be horrific. Not sure you’ll find a trail bike with short stays sadlyPosted 4 years ago
I’ve had a bit of biking resurgence in recent years, I’m guessing many people have a similar story.
When I was young I wouldn’t spend a minute off my bike (an Orange Air-O jump bike). I got to a reasonably level of ability but as I got older I stopped getting out as much and couldn’t justify riding round on a tiny frame. A couple of years ago I felt the urge to get back on the bike and brought a cheapish mongoose xc jobby. It looked fairly slack in geometry but boy did it feel different. I felt like a dead weight on it and was near impossible to manual or flick about.
I’ve since moved on to a Genesis Alpitude which is much much better! But it still feels a bit long and not quite what I’m after. I’ve checked the geometry and it does seems to be a bit longer that some of the others (seatstays length etc).
Maybe I’m after a bike that doesn’t exist. I’m well aware my dirt jumping days are over but they’re must be something which is still flickable and easy to get on the back wheel? There’s plenty of hardcore hardtails out there but I think many of them would be the same as my Alpitude. I’ve heard some good things about the Stanton Slackline and the NS Surge. Just wondering if anyone has got any ideas or has been through the same thing?
Ps. I’m well aware ‘It’s Not about the bike’ and it’s a lot to do with rider ability but geometry does make a difference.Posted 4 years agominzoMember
As mentioned, the Ns Surge, adjustable chainstays 16.2″-16.7″. Had mine nicked recently and bought a 2nd hand full suss with long chainstays to replace it, very stable at high speeds but nowhere near as fun :(. I’m seriously considering buying another surge frame or something similar.Posted 4 years ago
At last some people making some sense! I nearly got crucified for saying a Cotic didn’t really fit the bill on bike radar. I think many of these ‘Hardcore hardtails’ are great bikes but they really are designed for ploughing over stuff rather than flicking it about. Not knocking them but it depends what kind of ride you’re after.
Would love an evil sov but they’re rare, like wise I can’t seem to find a surge anywhere! What’s going on! As Van Halen says they seem to be ‘deeply unfashionable’. In my younger days I would have made some comment about cross country but I’ll refrain…Posted 4 years agoVan HalenMember
all these large frames, big wheels, slack angles and long wheelbases are taking the fun out of biking…
and dont get me started on 11 speed… my bloody fruitbowl is smaller than your cassette!
andiskin. contact hotlines. they are the NS importer so should be able to get you a surge if anyone can.
they do look ace. i wonder if i could get one past the wife…Posted 4 years agoscott_mcavennie2Member
Regarding the all day rides comment above, I use my surge for 30 milers with around 4000 feet of climbing regularly and it is absolutely fine. I’m bang on 6′ by the way. I built it up as a play bike to compliment my full suss. After a couple of rides I sold the full suss.Posted 4 years agochiefgrooveguruMember
The Sovereign is probably the answer – the earlier ones (as above?) are so steep and short compared to even something like a BFe let alone a 456 or Blue Pig. Or an alternate approach is the Blender which is much slacker with a shorter reach but similar ETT and similar front-centre because the slack seat angle adds ETT length and the short reach stops the front-centre from being really long due to the slack head angle – but that means it won’t like being pedalled uphill (wheelieing seated, knees into bars standing).Posted 4 years ago
toys19 to be fair I’ve never tried a bfe and you may well be right (though I’ve not heard of anyone using them for 4x?). As far as I’m aware is exactly the same geo as the soul? It’s not just about seat stay length, I think the over all geometry is just made more for stability and big drops etc. Of course you could huck it over a few jumps there great bikes just not what I’m after.
Totally agree with you Van Halen! And the wife will never know.
“Wait a minute…are those seat stays shorter! You’ve gone a brought another one haven’t you!”
On another note what ever happened to the term ‘Dual Salom’ ay!?Posted 4 years ago
You need to read the spec abd developmentnhistory of the bfe on that link i gave you.Posted 4 years ago
And this http://robbierickman.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/bfe-extra-small-and-extra-slate.html
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