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  • Short travel (dare I say down country) recommendations
  • jayx2a
    Free Member

    Currently selling my Trek Top Fuel and looking for another short travel bike which is efficient climber and good enough for light flowing trails with a few roots etc.

    The Trek is just so low at the front and even with max spacers and riser bars it’s just not working so cutting my losses.

    3-4K ideally. Options maybe something like a YT Izzo or a tallboy?

    open to suggestions!

    Kramer
    Free Member

    Last model Epic Evo on offer?

    submarined
    Free Member

    I bloody love my Izzo

    Hob-Nob
    Free Member

    If stack is your issue, the Spur isn’t that much better than the Top Fuel.

    The Element is better still, but the short back end is unbalanced to the long front.

    The Tallboy is definitely more trail than the Top Fuel though, so it’s a bit of a case of picking your poison.

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    It’s the combo off stack and the geometry, it just puts the front too low for me.

    that spur looks nice, but think would need the large.

    dander
    Full Member

    Yeah, I’ve got a Spur. Best bike I’ve ridden but the front is low-ish. I’m fine with that but good to have a sit on one first. Nothing a high rise bar can’t resolve IMO. What a bike though – perfect all rounder, up and down, does it all.

    peteimpreza
    Full Member

    In true STW fashion of recomending what you got I am going to say a Canyon Spectral 125 CF

    devash
    Free Member

    I’ve got a Spur and the stack’s not that high, only about a cm higher than the Top Fuel (619mm vs 608mm in Large). Currently running 35mm rise bars with 13mm of spacers and it’s a good balance for after-work XC rides and weekend trail duty. I’m a leggy 6ft with ape arms.

    The Epic Evo is really low and comes with the steerer tube trimmed right back. I’d pass on that if stack is your issue.

    The Izzo is around the same as the Spur. I think the Rocky Mountain Element is the highest I’ve seen (630/40ish?).

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    “ The Trek is just so low at the front and even with max spacers and riser bars it’s just not working so cutting my losses.”

    Have you tried some properly high rise bars? I’m not that tall, both bikes have 29” 160mm fronts and head tubes that aren’t short, and I’m still running 40mm rise bars. There are taller bars available!

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    Think another issue is that I probably should be on a large. According to Trek I am in the ML size but once you have all the spacers under the stem it does all begin to feel a bit too short so that might not be helping the low front end feeling.

    Hob-Nob
    Free Member

    Have you tried some properly high rise bars?

    The issue with that of course is, if the sizing is marginal, anything on the steerer tube or bars is eating into the reach & cramping the seated climbing position further.

    The Tallboy is the highest stack of the lot, for reference.

    ampthill
    Full Member

    Canyon Neuron has lots of stack. Plus good builds for the money and even the warranty hasn’t been rubbish

    https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mountain-bikes/trail-bikes/neuron/cf/neuron-cf-8/3170.html

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    A mate rides a Spur and raves about it, was saying today it’s more capable than whatever longer travel bike he had before

    Turnerfan1
    Free Member

    Love my Cotic Flaremax.

    Ideally not the lightest but way outrides it’s weight and I have gone full Downcountry to make it easier eg 120 mm Sids,titanium cranks and Hope XCR brakes!

    Thanks,

    Max.

    bikesandboots
    Full Member

    The issue with that of course is, if the sizing is marginal, anything on the steerer tube or bars is eating into the reach & cramping the seated climbing position further.

    That issue is for spacers, not bars.

    Spank make some otherwise normal bars with 75mm rise.

    zerocool
    Full Member

    As Bikesandboots said, high rise bars won’t affect you reach

    Hob-Nob
    Free Member

    That issue is for spacers, not bars.

    It’s not, raising bar height, by stem spacers, or higher rise bars all have the same effect of reducing the ‘virtual’ reach.

    Reach is a fixed measurement at the top of the head tube, because any height increase is not vertical above it, it eats into the space available, making the fit smaller.

    bikesandboots
    Full Member

    Only if you install it with the rise inline with the head angle. In reality it would be installed with the rise vertically. One trouble with high rise bars though is if you want to roll them for your backsweep/upsweep preference, they move a fair bit fore/aft.

    It is vitual/bar/grip reach that I meant.

    Diagram here for what I mean https://enduro-mtb.com/en/the-right-mtb-handlebar-rise/

    ampthill
    Full Member

    I’ve thought about using tall bars to let me buy a lower stack bike. But they do seem to create issues. If you use them to move the bars straight up you’re simulating a longer stem. Any attempt to get personalise the sweep will have things all over the shop.

    Andy_Sweet
    Free Member

    Have a look at video cotic posted yesterday on YouTube about Cy’s bike.

    stanley
    Full Member

    I’ve had a gen4, and currently have a gen5 Tallboy. Great bikes with loads of stack. I’d place them at the rougher end of “down country”. I’ve just bought a Specialized Epic 8 as my fast and light bike. Can’t yet comment on how it rides, but check out the geometry and reviews… Definitely at the fast end of “down country”!!

    keithb
    Full Member

    How about a stem with some rise?  Not sure what’s available in short lengths, but the more angle the longer stem you need, as stem lengths are, I believe, measured along their axis, not perpendicular to the head tube.

    seriousrikk
    Full Member

    Think another issue is that I probably should be on a large. According to Trek I am in the ML size but once you have all the spacers under the stem it does all begin to feel a bit too short so that might not be helping the low front end feeling.

    You are absolutely onto something with this.

    I picked up an ML Remedy recently and while it rides nicely, it just doesn’t feel good. Same issue, the front just feels so low and I feel like I’m too far forward. According to Trek it’s the size I should be on, but I think I needed an L.

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    “ It’s not, raising bar height, by stem spacers, or higher rise bars all have the same effect of reducing the ‘virtual’ reach.

    Reach is a fixed measurement at the top of the head tube, because any height increase is not vertical above it, it eats into the space available, making the fit smaller.”

    Correct.

    If your bars are installed so the rise is vertical rather than inline with the head angle, then the effect is the same as adding spacers AND swapping to a longer stem.

    chestrockwell
    Full Member

    Looking for something similar to you OP. Currently switching between the Epic, Spur and Orange Stage Evo.

    The Orange is a similar weight to the Spur and Tallboy and there’s some good deals about.

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    I think main issue is the Fuel is just too small in M/L. I have it a go today with higher rise bars and it’s all just too compact. Serves me right for rushing the purchase when I bought it!

    skellnonch
    Free Member

    Epic 8

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    Maybe it’s me. These down country bikes are probably all aimed a bit more at the lower front end possibly. My old fuel has me more upright and is higher at the front for sure. might be a change of tact and look at maybe a lighter weight trail orientated bike.

    Kuco
    Full Member

    I’d also go for an Epic 8. I personally wouldn’t go for the old Epic XC with the brain shock.

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    Just before I give up on the top fuel I might try the longer stem I have at home. Not sure how much an extra 10mm will make to handling.

    coconut
    Free Member

    I’m looking for a similar type of bike too. I think I have now settled on the Specialized Epic Evo 8. Looks like a brilliant all rounder and have a better geometry than the Trek Top Fuel, also a good 1.5kgs lighter.

    augustuswindsock
    Full Member

    I bought a C’dale scalpel from wheelbase when they were on offer last year (3k down from 5) and I have to say I love it, I’ve got a 170mm travel liteville 301 which I also love but it’s barely been ridden since I got the scalpel.

    didnthurt
    Full Member

    I have my stem angled down with no spacers and with flat swept bars as I found my Scapel’s front end a bit high. Do you think you’re maybe just riding a bike that’s a bit short for you?

    jonba
    Free Member

    Scott spark is xc but very capable.

    I have a canyon lux trail which is very capable.

    Sonder had one when I looked (cortex or evolve can’t remember which).

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    @didnthurt

    yes I think I should have gone for a large rather than ML. I might try the 55mm stem over the 45mm fitted and see how it feels. Or just cut my losses and look for either a different bike or pick up a top fuel in large. Some decent deals on the 9.7 going (mine is an 8).

    5lab
    Full Member

    the difference between the shortest of headtubes and the longest of headtubes in a given size really isn’t much – 30mm or so. I’m not sure a bike that has the same reach but a marginally more head tube length is going to make a massive difference?

    jayx2a
    Free Member

    ^^^ maybe the Trek is just not a good fit for me or I just have to get used to the geometry I guess.

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    What rise bars do you have on it? How many mm of spacers under the stem?

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