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  • See – it's not just bikes that some drivers don't "see"
  • molgrips
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    What? Where’s the conflict?

    He does the right thing in the incident, but he may have been going over the speed limit, the road may have been greasy or he may have been on bad tyres. His ESP is probably on.

    Not sure what you mean?

    wanmankylung
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    If you can’t see the conflict that is there for all to see, then I’m not going to get into a race to the bottom with you.

    GrahamS
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    he may have been going over the speed limit

    Telegraph article says that the driver said he was doing about 55mph.

    Granted he would say that but I don’t think the video looks like he is going much faster than that. Seems pretty reasonable for the conditions (clear day, clear A road).

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    Northwind
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    Surprised nobody’s criticised him for his snow hat tbh 😆

    Really hope this goes to a prosecution tbh, that was madness- sometimes seems like people stick these dash/helmet cams on youtube etc but then don’t take it further

    Junkyard
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    He doesnt’ seem to slow down very fast

    The fact that he comes quickly to a stop

    Not sure how you unite these views tbh

    GrahamS
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    For reference I think this is the junction on Streetview:

    https://goo.gl/maps/bnIYX

    legend
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    Didn’t clear the snow off his roof – car driver at fault.

    scotroutes
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    All that snow should have made the VAN easier to see 🙂

    globalti
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    Must admit that I think the movement of the truck should have alerted him earlier…

    legend
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    All that snow should have made the VAN easier to see

    pfft, don’t let facts get in the way of an STW opinion!

    br
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    We have two HGV drivers (out of 8 ) who drive with this attitude at work. They’ve become even worse since we had Telematics fitted (to apparently save money on fuel and stop accidents from inappropriate speed..), they will just drive straight out instead of having to brake and accelerate again. Saves them getting the mpg-hit and any marks for harsh braking/accelerating.

    Consequence of having Telematics fitted. If you are been marked for every ‘infringement’ then you’ll drive to ensure you don’t get the ‘infringement’ and a daily/weekly/monthly sit-down with your Manager to ‘explain’ yourself. Near-misses aren’t recorded 🙂

    bigyinn
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    Interesting that he didnt use the horn at all.
    Not that doing so would have made any difference, although perhaps the wagon may have stopped?

    GrahamS
    Full Member

    Consequence of having Telematics fitted. .. Near-misses aren’t recorded

    Hmm.. perhaps the telematics need to incorporate proximity sensors and/or cameras? Would that help?

    Interesting that he didnt use the horn at all.

    If it was me I wouldn’t have need the horn – the wagon driver would have heard the swearing and the almighty sonic boom as I filled my breeks in sub-millisecond time.

    kcal
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    Horn is DefCon 2/3 – that was DefCon 4 minimum 🙂

    hamishthecat
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    Van driver was a pussy – if he’d booted it he could have fitted through the gap no problem. 🙂

    molgrips
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    If you can’t see the conflict that is there for all to see, then I’m not going to get into a race to the bottom with you.

    Well obviously I would not have intended to post two contradictory statements, so if I have got mixed up I’d appreciate it being pointed out.

    He looks like he didn’t brake very quickly at first when he was on tarmac, but once the car is on the grass it appears to slow quickly for a car with two wheels on grass.

    teasel
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    You can see the truck has no intention of stopping so I’m going to assume he’s missed the van driver completely in the staccato step vision thing (can’t remember its name) or maybe he just didn’t give a shit.

    Edit : Though I also have to guess the driver wasn’t aware of the truck approaching at said speed, which again is entirely plausible.

    As far as the slowing down thing goes, if you’ve ever had a high speed accident you’ll know in some instances you slow down pretty quickly when you mount/hit the curb.

    Molgrips » Well obviously I would not have intended to post two contradictory statements, so if I have got mixed up I’d appreciate it being pointed out.

    Junkyard » He doesnt’ seem to slow down very fast

    The fact that he comes quickly to a stop

    Not sure how you unite these views tbh

    lemonysam
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    staccato step vision thing

    Saccades.

    teasel
    Free Member

    That’s the thingamajig…!

    DezB
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    Has this turned into another “I’m a better driver/rider/pedestrian/human than everyone else” thread? I don’t dare look.

    Northwind
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    Saccadic masking shouldn’t cause that- you get that when you’re looking around quickly, but the driver bloody well should have been looking up the road not just glancing or flicking his eyes over quickly. Basically he could only meet the conditions for saccadic masking by not looking properly.

    cbike
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    They were both asleep! That was developing for ages! Its the slowest, most obvious hazard perception test ever! It’s also easier to see something crossing your vision rather than direct towards it. The Truck is on a constant bearing which would wake up any sailor!

    molgrips
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    Though I also have to guess the driver wasn’t aware of the truck approaching at said speed, which again is entirely plausible.

    When someone pulled out infront of me – although it was all at 20mph ish – there was a split second gap between my Mrs gasping and me hitting the brakes. I saw her at the same time but I think perhaps because I am less of a nervous driver some part of my brain told me she was bound to stop. Only when she actually entered the road and it was clear she wasn’t going to stop did I slam on.

    Perhaps a similar thing happened here.

    Just looked back again.. the lorry is well visible and clearly not slowing to a stop, so yeah I think he should’ve braked earlier. Bear in mind it’s a wide angle lens so the lorry would’ve been larger in his eye than ours.

    teasel
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    Basically he could only meet the conditions for saccadic masking by not looking properly.

    Indeed, I wasn’t suggesting otherwise. Taking a total guess I’d say he took a few cursory glances and just went for it. Could be totally wrong but that’s how it looks to me.

    teasel
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    some part of my brain told me she was bound to stop.

    If the van driver was aware then that’s a likely thought process. We’ve all done it, I’m sure. Presumption is the mother of all **** ups or something, isn’t it…

    Edit : Infact, I reckon that’s exactly what he thought – the truck might just wait mid-road for him to pass before pulling out, which would explain the lack of reaction, too.

    Who knows. TBH, I don’t really give a shit, just glad no one got hurt.

    globalti
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    They were both asleep! That was developing for ages! Its the slowest, most obvious hazard perception test ever! It’s also easier to see something crossing your vision rather than direct towards it. The Truck is on a constant bearing which would wake up any sailor!

    Spot on. If I’d been on my motorbike I’d have hit the high beam and the twin Fiamms a long time before that truck reached the junction and I’d have been covering the brakes as well.

    cbike
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    Assuming it was a hazard perception test, at 26 seconds in I noticed, and would have braked hard at 27. and reckon car would have stopped at the road junction. But I’m human and not perfect so Death and and a substantial premium increase is also an option.

    DezB
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    Has this turned into another “I’m a better driver/rider/pedestrian/human than everyone else” thread?

    Yep. Jeez

    teasel
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    First sign of madness, DezB.

    imnotverygood
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    I’m sure that if the police follow this up, they will decide it’s 50/50 and probably do the driver for parking on a grass verge.

    Frankenstein
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    A truck did that to me but I was much closer and driving at 60mph. All I could do is slam my brakes and stop inches from the lorry. Ditches on either side of me.

    I did see him pull at the last second and braked early as I could.

    Lorry driver drove past me and we opened windows and he said sorry.

    Mistakes happen.

    I drove off thinking you *** *** could have killed me.

    No harm done but I do have 330 mm discs on my car thank god.

    maxtorque
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    The problem with “post event analysis” is that it is just that, post event. You know the outcome.

    In the real world, trucks arrive at T junctions several millions times a day. if every time you saw one, you performed an emergency stop, you’d never get anywhere at all (and you’d get rear ended all the time too, ooh matron….. 😉

    So, regression to normality becomes the significant factor in (near) accidents like this. In fact, i think the driver did ok. He was driving at an appropriate speed (imo) and when it became clear the truck wasn’t going to stop, he brakes under control, and remembered to steer out of the way )amazing how many people just brake and then drive straight into the object, even when they could have just driven around it!)

    I think a fair proportion of distracted drivers on our roads probably wouldn’t have even spotted the truck at all and just driven straight into it……..

    milky1980
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    Consequence of having Telematics fitted. If you are been marked for every ‘infringement’ then you’ll drive to ensure you don’t get the ‘infringement’ and a daily/weekly/monthly sit-down with your Manager to ‘explain’ yourself. Near-misses aren’t recorded

    Exactly what I said in the meeting that told us they were being introduced! The number of RLJ fines has increased, related?

    Hmm.. perhaps the telematics need to incorporate proximity sensors and/or cameras? Would that help?

    We already have separate cameras which are viewed after accidents. Never used to spot bad driving otherwise due to how long it would take to watch the footage generated by 40+ vans each day!

    GrahamS
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    Never used to spot bad driving otherwise due to how long it would take to watch the footage generated by 40+ vans each day!

    Yeah fair enough – not sure what the answer is to that (other than driverless vans!)

    bigyinn
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    Frankenstein – Member

    No harm done but I do have 330 mm discs on my car thank god.
    Its not the size thats important, its how you use them…. 😉

    nealglover
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    Has this turned into another “I’m a better human than everyone else” thread?

    Yep. When you posted that ..
    whilst looking down on everyone else 🙂

    teethgrinder
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    Commercial vehicle drivers are nearly always twunts. The bigger the vehicle, the bigger the twunt.

    woodlikesbeer
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    I disagree. Most lorry drivers are pretty good. Always be a few bad ones.

    Coach drivers on the other hand…..

    Markie
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    Round here I don’t in general (bad apples excluded) have a problem, with coach, lorry or tractor drivers. Taxi drivers though…

    Houns
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    Logging truck driver being a bat £&)( mental driver shocker

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