Scotland Indyref 2

Galloway is an absolute throbber.

He’s been called out before for his flip flopping on political issues and these days he’s nothing more than a shallow opportunist.

Suggesting the BBC Scotland (or the media in general) is in the pocket of Holyrood is certainly a unique take.

. It doesn’t seem to say much other than vote for us to stop another referendum,

I’m not sure the Scots Tories have thought this line of attack through

If SNP do win them theyre on record promising a 2nd ref 😉

With just four more seats, the SNP will win a majority and hold another divisive independence referendum.

YOU can stop it – but ONLY by giving your party list vote to the @ScotTories. pic.twitter.com/lDJfipgIEW

— Scottish Conservatives (@ScotTories) April 8, 2021

If all that’s needed to stop IndyRef 2 is a refusal by the UK PM, why campaign against it at all?

Suggesting the BBC Scotland (or the media in general) is in the pocket of Holyrood is certainly a unique take.

Not really, plenty of people seem to think the SNP get an easy ride on devolved issues as many of the quangos, third sector and pressure groups are dependent on largesse from Holyrood.

Most recent example is the SEPA hack, despite the (minimal) headlines Scottish Gov has offered no help, banned work arounds and essentially left them to flounder. I was told a week ago Covid policy means letters are piling up unopened at the offices, no email system, no calls getting answered. Permits are automatically granted after a time limit so anything goes at the moment if you put your paperwork in.

If it happened in England or Wales there would be uproar, I can visualise George Monbiot raging away.

Galloway is an absolute throbber.

An indefatigable one at that

At least he’s one of “the people of Scotland” not one of those whining ex pats

On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?

those whining ex pats

You called? 🧐😉

On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?

Bump, as I’m curious too.

On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?

The discussions a person I know well has had with them regarding consents for numerous activities. He’d gone to the offices and seen the pile of mail. Email addresses aren’t working and they aren’t allowed to use non sepa email so no-ones emails are getting read. Switchboard not working (uses the outlook addresses) so he had to contact a specialist via someone who had his number from a previous project. Officer can’t give him anything in writing. Default is to submit in writing (joins the pile) and it’s automatically accepted after a standard period. He was told by the officer that SG has said SEPA need to fix this themselves. I believe they have prioritised the flood team which now has some capability. Hack happened before Christmas it’s now mid April. Volume of data lost/ inaccessible still being downplayed only news getting out are standard press releases and nobody is asking awkward questions Covid is providing a useful cover

Discussion was a little over a week ago so things may have progressed but no relevant updates found in my Google search

Relevant questions are, how much money have SG given SEPA for disaster recovery since the hack, what resources have been provided by SG and the spend to date, how many other SG agencies have out of date SAP systems (what I understand to be the route in),

If I’m wrong then I’m a random on the internet who is wrong, if I’m even close to being right Scotland has a massive environmental protection issue which is 4 months old and counting and nobody is asking SG what they are doing about it. I hope I’m wrong.

I see that Johnson is once again showing that hes the best campaigner the SNP have

the timing of this seems daft even by his standards

how long will the case take to go to get a judgement, before or after election?

Jaw-dropping. The UK Tory government is going to Court to challenge a law passed by @scotparl unanimously. And for what? To protect their ability to legislate/act in ways that breach children’s rights in Scotland. Politically catastrophic, but also morally repugnant. https://t.co/4IfUV89hdl

— Nicola Sturgeon (@NicolaSturgeon) April 12, 2021

actually the more I think about it, this is EXACTLY the reaction the SNP hoped the government would take

this is EXACTLY the reaction the SNP hoped the government would take

Probably why it was drafted in a way that would trigger this referral to the Supreme Court. Note it’s a referral to the senior court of the land to determine whether it’s legal or not. I seem to recall that works both ways as the conservative UK government has found out recently.

As usual it’s the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue.

As usual it’s the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue.

Because apart from an anti-referendum stance the Tories are offering what? The opportunity to ‘share’ the benefits of Westminster corruption and lies?

As usual it’s the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue

While the children’s rights issues gets all the coverage, I studied its more about reversing the Westminster power grab in the internal market bill, why on earth the Tories think that isn’t going to boost the indy movement is beyond me.

The UK government has a history of challenging Welsh legislation as well, it often loses but that hasn’t stopped it.

The UK government has a history of challenging Welsh legislation as well, it often loses but that hasn’t stopped it.

Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances

Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances

Or a waste of taxpayers money with both governments paying counsel to argue it in the courts (especially since the UK has already ratified both charters – as I understand it this would just make it a matter of Scots law rather than Scots having to go to the English courts?). Neither bill was rushed through – so you’d kind of assume that the UK gov would have highlighted a concern (perhaps they did and it just didn’t attract media attention), you’d certainly have thought that if a concern was known the “unionist” parties would have been opposing it at Holyrood rather than nodding it through…

And didn’t the Scottish Tories already vote it they anyway?

And didn’t the Scottish Tories already vote it they anyway?

Which is why it’s likely to be a technical issue only spotted by the UK constitutional lawyers after it’s reviewed before enactment.

But don’t let that stop the Scexit grievance bus

Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances

You could say that but you could also say it’s the power hungry UK govt diminishing the role of the devolved administrations. It’s not just the EU they want to “take back control” from you know.

Latest polling shows SNP on for a slim majority. Labour to come a poor second, tories to collapse, greens to increase representation, lib dems to remain a minor party and alba to get no seats

Salmand is also less popular than Johnson

good to see that the scots electorate has some sense and good to see Salmond is unlikely to get a seat. It will be a sad day for Scotland if he gets in.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19257574.election-2021-snp-on-course-five-seat-majority-labour-second/

I has a question thats more of a niggle.
The Scottish tories are devolved to their English counterparts, so what happens to them if Scotland gains independence ?.
Does this mean that arm needs to be disbanded 😕 The Tories are an English party, so how can they exist in an Independent Scotland 😕

Scottish tories are less integrated than labour to the UK party by my understanding

iScotland would see a realignment in Scottish politics – at least one if not two right wing groups – there is a significant number of hunting shootin fishing rural conservatives and a few hard right brexiteers

I would expect to see a small hard left grouping, a large centre left grouping ( mainly the left of the SNP and much of labour) a smallish lib dem party. a rural based centre right party ( left of tories plus right of SNP) and a small hard right group ( the rest of the tories and brexiteers) Greens will continue with a decent representation but really are outside of right / left

Yeah polling for indy/SNP is down from its peak a few months ago

Sturgeon facing tough questions about EU membership and border with England as well

Its tight enough that even a pro indy majority isn’t a dead cert and SNP will likely have to rely on greens.

Salmond case & vaccine bounce helping No campaign.

Johnson remains Sturgeons biggest asset though, the latest sleaze & Cummings shenanegans surely helping.

Sarwar doing a good job whilst Ross & Co look worse than ever

And Alex who?

pro indy majority is almost certain. SNP majority is tight but the greens will be plenty to get the majority

Yes just need to send my postal vote off. I voted yes at the last IRef and still feel the same. SNP for the constituency seat not sure about the list seat. If I vote SNP will it be wasted am I better going green?

No way would I vote for Salmond so Alba is out.

aberdeenlune – depends on where you live. Borders and highland I think 2nd vote snp is not wasted as they might pick up list seats – other areas perhaps green is a better bet.
I am not certain about that and I am sure there is good info out on the net about this.

Borders is SNP 1 & 2.

Just finished my homework on my region the north east. Good site to look at Ballot Box Scotland.

Up for grabs 10 constituency seats and 7 list seats. In 2016 SNP won 9 out of 10 constituencies. Cons got 1.

SNP won 44% of the list votes but were awarded no list seats. Cons got 28% of the vote and were awarded 4 of the 7 list seats.

Greens got 4.9% of the list vote narrowly missing out on a list seat to the Lib Dem’s who polled 6%.

So SNP constituency green list for me.

One of the interesting consequences of the list vote system is the way it gives fringe parties a chance, admittedly a small one, of getting a seat.

As a result you get a mad assortment of loonballs and zoomers on the ballot.

My two favourites are probably the “Abolish Holyrood Party”, who presumably will just vanish in a puff of logic if they get elected.

And the Scottish We Don’t Like Gays Family Party

I believe D and G would be another area where SNP 1 and 2 can work out as well, the whole south of Scotland being one region on the list vote.

This is what I have seen as the best way to get a pro independence majority

Highlands & Islands Both Votes SNP
Mid Scotland & Fife SNP 1 Green2
South Scotland Both Votes SNP
Glasgow SNP 1 Green 2
West SNP 1 Green 2
North East SNP 1 Green 2
Central SNP 1 Green 2
Edinburgh SNP 1 Green 2

I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.

The various sites forming the Clyde Submarine Base would be logistically challenging and incredibly expensive to relocate down south. Often wonder how much this figures in Westminster’s continued support of this glorious union of equals with us verminous Scots.

Me and Mrs DB have cast our postal ballots…

logistically challenging and incredibly expensive to relocate down south

Notwithstanding that there are few places south of the border seismically stable enough to permit the loading of nuclear weapons.

Many RN people who get based there loathe it because it’s such a rubbish place for their families to live and work.

I have read that there are suitable places but too close to big towns. *rolls eyes*

the bombs are not stored or loaded in Scotland now I thought – all in the US and our subs go over there to load them

I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.

I think you answer your own question

I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now?

I think you are falling for fake news/conspiracy nonsense – it appears to be dated April 2021 to my eyes

My daughter rushed in from school today very excited after seeing a famous politician doing media in our town. I asked her who it was. Absolute honest answer from her “the fat bald one, you know, the rapey one.”

Ah – I misread it – the guy writing it left the admiralty in 2014 not wrote the report then

tjagain
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I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.

I don’t think most scots give a hoot about trident tbh. 😆 I’d rent out the land and sea access, job jobbied.