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  • Say the NHS gets privatised – what happens then?
  • What would the consequences be?

    b r
    Member

    How?

    Hospitals, the Staff, the Services – which, or all?

    And how would it be paid for – mandatory fees (as per other European countris maybe)?

    And GP’s are already private.

    So probably little impact initially, but really depends on which approach is taken for long-term impact – and I really can’t see a 3rd world/USA version here at all, ever.

    Everyone, including trolls, would have to start paying for their medical treatment at the point of delivery ?

    emsz
    Member

    still be free, taxes would go directly to firms who do the work. so nothing.

    mrmo
    Member

    depends on how far, but if they adopt the american model costs go up, quality of care for those with money goes up and for the majority well who cares about those too poor to be able to afford insurance.

    Do you see many employers offering health insurance as per the US model? of course not. Do you really see the government cutting tax, again don’t be stupid. So the majority get poorer and worse care.

    Not a troll. What kind of model do you think the UK governments would stumble upon? I suspect that the same amount of money would be taken from the public purse, but a huge chunk of that would go straight to shareholders and not patient care.

    Premier Icon imnotverygood
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    I suspect the wife’s new salary would mean that I could retire…

    docrobster
    Member

    And GP’s are already private.

    Care to explain your reasoning there?

    don simon
    Member

    still be free, taxes would go directly to firms who do the work. so nothing.

    Or taxes would go down and you’d have the freedom to choose where and how you spend your money?

    project
    Member

    Well how is mental health, abortions,child birth,drug dependancy, eating disorders,stoke management and treatment and other medical stuff going to be funded.

    Then we have the A and E functins where a price cant be given at the start of treatment,then theres privatisation of the ambulance service, who will take you to hospital if you dont have the right ID.

    its going to be a nightmare , but im sure some multi million pound PLC, is already doing the sums ready to take over when cameroooon say jump.

    crikey
    Member

    Oo Oo I know!

    Is the answer that the NHS would run in exactly the same way, but cost twice as much because we would be paying to make a profit for the companies who would produce carefully graphically designed pamphlets that ensured us that we would get the best care available while paying through the nose for it?

    But David Camerons mates would get rich, so that would make it OK?

    project
    Member

    And GP’s are already private.

    Care to explain your reasoning there?

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    and a local gp went bust up here a few weeks ago, they changed the locks, refused access to the staff and patients,and refused access to the medical records of the patients, caused a lot of anguish and a huge cost for the local health authority or what ever they are called this week.

    damo2576
    Member

    Errr everyone would just have private insurance which they do already?

    flow
    Member

    Might actually get some decent service

    crikey
    Member

    Might actually get some decent service

    You Go Girl!!

    juan
    Member

    Unless you earn more than 6K a month you’d better not get sick.

    flow
    Member

    Might actually get some decent service

    You Go Girl!!

    Let me guess, you work for them, bless.

    Unless you earn more than 6K a month you’d better not get sick.

    Even though you can get basic BUPA health care for £20 a month.

    What does basic Bupa £20/month healthcare get you?

    crikey
    Member

    Even though you can get basic BUPA health care for £20 a month.

    What does that cover?

    Premier Icon bruneep
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    basic BUPA health care

    and what about not so basic care?

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Even though you can get basic BUPA health care for £20 a month.

    Ah right but that provides nothing like you NI gets you.

    chrismac
    Member

    GP’s are all private companies that have very lucrative contracts to supply services to the NHS. They are not NHS employees. THey hire and fire their own staff and can choose how many appointments they have, when they are etc etc.

    Im sure you can get BUPA for £20 per month. However it will only cover a limited number of procedures and only upto a certain cost. No private provider in the UK provides emergency care, Intensive care or A&E services as it is very expensive and not profitable. At the moment there is still a high chance that you would be treated in an NHS hospital as anything more than very simple stuff the private hospitals don’t have the support services to cope.

    dmjb4
    Member

    There are some things that need to be centralised. Healthcare, roads, trains, internet, gas / electricity. Anything that is a natural monopoly.

    If you buy a new TV, you can shop around, take it back etc. Commerce good. You can’t take back a knee op, and you don’t want 15 gas pipes running into your house. Commerce bad.

    Premier Icon Drac
    Subscriber

    What will privatisation bring?

    People who want to do the job for money and not for patients or because they want to do it.

    Greedy CEOs.

    Greedy stake holders.

    Restrictions on care as it costs too much.

    List of exclusions to their “comprehensive” policy is pretty comprehensive.

    AIDS / HIV
    allergies or allergic disorders
    birth control, conception, sexual problems and sex changes
    chronic conditions.
    complications from excluded or restricted conditions / treatment
    contamination, wars and riots
    convalescence, rehabilitation and general nursing care
    cosmetic, reconstructive or weight loss treatment
    deafness
    dental / oral treatment (such as fillings, gum disease, jaw shrinkage etc)
    dialysis
    drugs and dressings for out-patient or take-home use
    experimental drugs and treatment
    treatment to correct eyesight (eg long or short sight)
    HRT and bone densitometry
    intensive care
    learning difficulties, behavioural and developmental problems
    overseas treatment and repatriation
    physical aids and devices
    pre-existing or special conditions
    pregnancy and childbirth
    puberty, menopause and ageing
    screening, monitoring and preventive treatment
    sleep problems and disorders
    speech disorders
    telephone consultations
    temporary relief of symptoms

    flow
    Member

    Prompt Diagnosis

    £20.71 per month

    Consultations
    MRI, CT and PET scans
    Diagnostic tests.

    Treatment and Care

    £37.53 per month

    Post diagnosis treatment
    Therapies such as physiotherapy
    Cancer treatment and drugs.

    Comprehensive

    £60.47 per month

    Consultations
    MRI, CT and PET scans
    Diagnostic tests
    Post diagnosis treatment
    Therapies such as physiotherapy
    Cancer treatment and drugs

    If the NHS went private, they would have to make it more affordable than BUPA, I was just giving an example.

    crikey
    Member

    Comprehensive does not routinely cover the following conditions and treatments:

    AIDS / HIV‡, allergies or allergic disorders, birth control, conception, sexual problems and sex changes‡, chronic conditions‡, complications from excluded or restricted conditions / treatment
    contamination, wars and riots, convalescence, rehabilitation and general nursing care‡, cosmetic, reconstructive or weight loss treatment‡, deafness, dental / oral treatment (such as fillings, gum disease, jaw shrinkage etc)‡, dialysis‡, drugs and dressings for out-patient or take-home use‡, experimental drugs and treatment‡, treatment to correct eyesight (eg long or short sight)‡, HRT and bone densitometry‡, intensive care, learning difficulties, behavioural and developmental problems
    overseas treatment and repatriation, physical aids and devices‡, pre-existing or special conditions
    pregnancy and childbirth‡, puberty, menopause and ageing, screening, monitoring and preventive treatment, sleep problems and disorders, speech disorders‡, telephone consultations, temporary relief of symptoms‡, unrecognised providers or facilities.

    ‡ In some circumstances, benefit may be available for these conditions or treatments. Full details can be found in the membership guide.

    From BUPAs ‘Comprehensive cover’ webpage.

    …But that’s OK, because you have an NHS to pick up the pieces…and train the Doctors, and train the nurses, and train the physios, and train the radiographers, and train the pharmacists, and the ECG techs, and the phlebotomists, and the…

    All this could be done in the private sector, but someone, probably you, will still have to pay for it, and pay enough to allow private companies to make a profit for their shareholders.

    Premier Icon Drac
    Subscriber

    If the NHS went private, they would have to make it more affordable than BUPA, I was just giving an example.

    But they’d need to offer a whole load more, see many more patients and for less money you say?

    project
    Member

    and a vastly poorer service,less follow up care, if any,a lot less staff and management, but plenty of well paid work for sign makers, and solicitors who will create these new privatised empires.
    oh and a massive sell off of land around hospitals for housing or supermarkets.

    The last two parts have already starterd , you only have to look at all the new trusts, and stand alone departments, with their own entrances and car parks.

    Its so very sad to see what took so long to build up being destroyed so quickly,without any input from us the user.

    fastindian
    Member

    my mate came off the bike last night and was keep in overnight, full CT scan etc approx cost £5000.

    There wont be any more queues as people wont be able to afford the insurance (if were talking cover for full equivalent of NHS

    flow
    Member

    The best way to find out what would be offered would be to look at the American system I guess.

    allthepies
    Member

    What would the consequences be?

    Well for whichever government implemented it then political oblivion I guess.

    Fortunately – we’ll know for sure very soon.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15436685

    So, with Hinchinbrooke Hospital being run privately, we’ll have the perfect opportunity to see whether the doom-mongers were right, or wrong.

    Then there will be no need for an argument, will there 😀

    BTW – there’s a big difference between privatisation of the NHS, which is the delivery of services, and the ending of the National Insurance scheme, which predates the NHS by two world wars and the worst fiscal depression ever seen.

    dmjb4
    Member

    BUPA, Axa PPP etc usually paid by employers, and therefore only cover survivable / recoverable conditions. Aim is to get you back to work quicker than you would otherwise, so anything you might not get back from isn’t covered.

    If healthcare moved to a US approach with no national system, you would see more competitive prices and truly comprehensive packages.

    crikey
    Member

    The best way to find out what would be offered would be to look at the American system I guess.

    Aw, bless.

    That would suggest that we would get:
    Lower life expectancy.
    Higher infant mortality.
    Fewer Doctors per person.
    Double the per capita expenditure on Health.
    Double the Healthcare cost as a percentage of GDP.

    The NHS isn’t the greatest Healthcare system in the world, but it’s not bad.

    flow
    Member

    BUPA, Axa PPP etc usually paid by employers, and therefore only cover survivable / recoverable conditions.

    They offer cancer treatment

    The best way to find out what would be offered would be to look at the American system I guess.

    Aw, bless.

    That would suggest that we would get:
    Lower life expectancy.
    Higher infant mortality.
    Fewer Doctors per person.
    Double the per capita expenditure on Health.
    Double the Healthcare cost as a percentage of GDP.

    The NHS isn’t the greatest Healthcare system in the world, but it’s not bad.

    Crikey, stop being such a child, I didn’t post on here to argue, strange as that may seem.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    In a report (Individual Health Insurance 2009: A Comprehensive Survey of Premiums,Availability, and Benefits) made public in October 2009, America’s Health Insurance Plans (a trade group representing health plans) presented some information that gives a sense of what a health insurance policy costs when purchased by an individual.

    On average, the annual premium was $2,985 for a single person and $6,328 for a family.
    The annual premium differed from state to state. For example, the premium for a family health plan in New York was $13,296, while a similar plan in Iowa was $5609.
    The annual premiums for health plans were also different depending if the annual deductible was high or low. For example, family plans with no deductible had an average premium of $12686 each year, while plans with an annual deductible of $10,000 had an average premium of $5380 each year.

    mrmo
    Member

    Wiki article on US healthcare.

    Few key points, 16.7% of the population have no insurance. 62.1% of all bankrupcies linked to medical costs. Infant mortality higher, life expectancy lower than comparable economies. And the cost, twice as much as any one else.

    druidh
    Member

    It’s already happening

    http://www.serco.com/media/market/healthnews/nhsforthvalley.asp

    Elsewhere in Scotland, Serco has over 1100 employees, providing a range of public services including HM Prison Kilmarnock

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