It really doesnt but loving your work

All part of the service ‘dude’ 🙂 🙂

\m/

And likewise surfer – your posts rarely fail to disappoint! I always look forward to your deliberately argumentative, confrontational and patronising ‘put downs’ especially on running related topics – they really do brighten up the forum and make it a warm and welcoming environment – especially for people who are new to running and are perhaps looking for encouragement and advice.

It isn’t necessarily your ‘message’ [as I actually do agree with you on some topics] – rather it is sometimes your ‘delivery’.

Please can I respectfully remind you that it is another human being you are responding to with your ‘militant atheist’ retorts.

As a clearly experienced runner it might be refreshing for you to provide encouragement and cautionary advice for new runners rather than attempting to belittle them for believing the ‘marketing hype’ in ‘jogging magazines’ (as you referred to them).

I know you are a bit new around here Digby and clearly a bit of a sensitive snowflake, once you have been around a bit longer you will see that the reason I come across as “passionate” about running is nothing to do with the fact that I am an “experienced” runner it is because I want people to get good advice or non.

Nothing you said with your pedantry about gait analysis contributed, and unless I am mistaken you are not suggesting that Gait analysis in the context selling shoes has any value? Are you?

If not then you agree with me and you have just wasted a lot of time, so well done. Hopefully only you and I are now reading this thread and hopefully the OP is doing something more interesting like running!

My initial response to this thread was:

No such thing as “fitting” Try a few on and I would suggest one of the following. Nike, Asics or Saucony. Make sure you have 1/2 gap between your toe and the end of the shoe when you are standing.

Which means “militant atheism” really doesn’t mean what you think it means, does it? and my initial post actually provided some good general advice as well as a recommendation. Running is a very simple sport often over-complicated by those who are either misguided or more often than not, want to separate you from your money. I could give lots more advice but the OP just wanted some basic information about shoes which I provided. I continued to contribute as thereafter people made suggestions which in my opinion are wrong and in the case of Gait analysis potentially costly financially and/or potentially injurious. At minimum they lull runners into a false sense of security.

Your contribution to the OP on the other hand has only been to challenge me with pedantry about Gait analysis, notwithstanding the fact that you now appear to agree with me that it has little value in the environment under discussion.
In fact are you able to identify any useful information you have provided on this thread?

I may be many of the things you say Digby (although you are clearly intent on playing the man and not the ball) but my motive is to provide good uncomplicated advice where I can to help people to get into running. Even those who disagree with me, I suspect, would admit that is clear. What is your motive?

^ Get a life you pair of fannies.

says the bloke who has just read all of that 🙂

Probably not much point adding my experience but the only time a running shop tried to get me to do a gait analysis was when I bought a pair of fell running shoes. I did point out that running in studded shoes on a treadmill was probably more likely to cause injury than risking wearing them outside without being watched first.

I’ve tried a few different road shoes and have Nike Pegasus shaped feet, my normal size fits fine and have been OK for me. I try and buy last years version as they’re usually £40/£50. So I’d echo the comments of try as many as you can and don’t worry too much about getting special shoes – if there’s something wrong or pain when you’re running a trip to a physio would probably be better than buying new shoes IMO.

Recently entered a duathlon and have been struggling replace my favourite old runners. I bought them in the clearance section of Lillywhites in Picaddilly late at night after having a few pints in Soho. They have been brilliant. Bought the same model name shoe but it’s been completely redesigned and bears to resemblance to the original. Struggling to replicate the experience now I live in rural N Wales… Have bought and sent back a few pairs to Wiggle in an increasingly desperate attempt to find “the shoe”.
One shoe I thought was going to be the one is a Pearl Izumi trail m2. Turns out not to have enough support for my needs – if anyone wants a UK 9.5 used only 3 times for £40 then let me know…

Spent the weekend trying to buy a pair, ended up today with a pair of Nike Pegasus 33’s which feel like slipper’s!

I tried the usual high street sports shops but really struggled to find anything that either fit properly, or felt right. Decided to try my local indy running shop today. He got me to try the Nikes along with the usual Asics & Saucony, a mix of neutral & support shoes. After a walk around the shop i was sent out for a run around the block in about 4 pairs that I’d narrowed it down to which is where the Nikes really jumped out. Really surprised how comfortable they were to run in compared to either my old Asics or the new ones I tried today.

So if anybody is looking for a new pair of runners & based up north i can highly recommend Complete Runner in Ilkley.

I know you are a bit new around here Digby and clearly a bit of a sensitive snowflake

Actually I’ve been around for a while, but perhaps I just melt into the background under the dazzling heat of your charm offensives! 🙂 🙂

Are you alright ‘surfer’? Do I need to worry about you? As others have observed, you seem to have quite a large axe to grind and are desperate to start a ‘fight’ on some threads …

Still need that hug? 😀

Is everything ok?? Any mood swings or ‘post micturation dribble’ problems causing you to be persistently and deliberately argumentative? If so it might be worth having a word with your health care provider and arranging for a ‘prostate exam’ as part of your ‘Well Man Checkup’.

Life is too short to be so angry …

Surfer’s always angry on runner threads. Just skim read them it saves on BP

No not angry and even if I was that has subsided knowing I have brought you two together. #hugbuddies

Spent the weekend trying to buy a pair, ended up today with a pair of Nike Pegasus 33’s which feel like slipper’s!

There is a reason they have been around for decades. My favourite shoe and as a forefoot striker the cushioning throughout in Nike shoes is great. Unfortunately I have to run in Hoka’s now which are good shoes but cumbersome.

After a walk around the shop i was sent out for a run around the block in about 4 pairs that I’d narrowed it down to

That’s basically how I chose my shoes, for me it was a pair of Asics that stood out. I even ran in odd shoes which really does give your brain something interesting to deal with.

I bought a shiny new pair of runners last year after trying out a bunch of different ones on a running machine in a local specialist running shop. I’ve always suffered from shin splints and sore quads in the past.

It was really useful to have a spin in them, especially several different types together. Looking at the video shot of my feet as I ran, I could see my feet were landing differently in different shoes.

I picked the ones which felt the most comfortable. As it turned out, they also ended up being the cheapest – about £80. I spent muchof last year runnning to and from work, and also just running for er, fun. Something I wouldn’t have done before.

I’m not going to pick a horse in the gait analysis argument (although I use the inserts sold with my Specialized BG shoes still – they make hour four onwards of any ride much more comfortable), but I would recommend you try out lots of different makes at the same time, preferably on a treadmill or similar. It helped me a great deal.

OP … Pegasus are a great beginners shoe… think I had three pairs before moving on to other shoes.

And to be fair to surfer …. You’d be angry too if you had to wear clown shoes…. errrr … sorry I mean Hokas.

great beginners shoe

“beginner? How so? What do you use when you become experienced?

They seem good enough for Mo!

and as a forefoot striker the cushioning throughout in Nike shoes is great

The bit you missed out of that is “For me”

I’m also a forefoot striker and I’ve found Nike shoes to be universally pants…over-padded and cumbersome “for me”

You OK hun?

Yep … Im wrong … looks like Mo is trying really hard there in that race/hard training session….. lol

Ye.. He hasnt “graduated” into “proper” shoes like you Ro5ey. Lol

Like shooting fish

Oooohh you got me Ro5ey you little rascal 🙂

Anyway dont keep us all in the dark, I sense you may be keeping this to yourself to gain some competitive advantage, pray tell what the OP (and the rest of us) can look forward to running in once we “graduate” from “beginner” status?

surfer – Member
…pray tell what the OP (and the rest of us) can look forward to running in once we “graduate” from “beginner” status?

Their bikes get rusty?

Can highly recommend the Brooks Launch shoes. Size up the same as your normal shoe size for me at a 9 (43)

I have a pair of Brooks Ravennas at the moment, too. Love ‘em. Bit fiddly to get the lacing right but then really good.

Size 8, if you’re asking.

Rachel

OP …. your Pegasus will be great and apart from wallies on here arguing… me include … running has got to be pretty much the most inclusive and friendly sport there is.

May I suggest signing up to your local running club … they are as cheap as chips, good fun and it’ll get your mileage up without you noticing.

After a period of time you will not be a beginning and more…. You’ll have experience of how much and what your body/mind can handle or wants to handle… But Running doesn’t have to be all about going faster/further and bettering yourself …. I go through whole months of the year ticking over, just enjoy running for it own sake.

But anyway at some point your experience may lead to you to try a different shoe … maybe a racing flat or maybe the hokas might be good for you (they are much better than there look btw , I was just pulling surfers chain)… But due to your previous knowledge and experience or the fact you are NOT a beginner anymore you’ll know pretty quick whether they suit you and whether you should continue using them.

Good luck, have fun

If I could run in “beginner” shoes again I would. Injuries force me to run in Hoka’s although to be fair they are very comfortable and I doubt if I would be running if not for their design. One downside is the height of the midsole, they are of course designed that way but as someone who runs a lot off road if you roll your ankle you have a long way to fall!!!

I was motivated some time ago to write this

My Hoka experience

I’ve only used Inov8 shoes for a few years now – they just seem to suit my feet well.

How do we feel about compression socks? I’ve had an intermittent calf problem recently and compression seems to help. However I feel it’s a ‘challenging’ look!

Second run today, shoes feel great. Almost seem to spring me forward from the fore foot which i really like. I can see how this running lark can get addictive.Nice to get out for 45mins and get a good workout. Def more bang for the buck compared to cycling.

Nice mix of undulating lanes & tow paths today. Seem fine on the flat, but the hills are a killer. Those fell runners must have calves made of granite!