https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-union/sru-braced-for-six-figure-fine-from-world-rugby-1-5037524

On the one hand, two chances to play Japan. Cannae wait.

On the other hand, 6 figures! WTAF!?

No way that won’t be going to court which I think is a good thing. I want to see Gilpin under oath describing in detail the conversations he had with NZ rugby amongst others. Then have NZ rugby describe the same conversations under oath.

Japan have done an awesome job with this tournament.

World Rugby and Gilpin in particular have proven themselves to be massive massive ****.

So who will England pick next? Daly at full back doesnt work for me.

Lots of very good players champing at the bit. Couldn’t agree more about Daly. He’s been actual rubbish.
Youngs, Cole, Marler, Lawes, Wilson, Heinz
In 4 years time, Manu, JJ, Farrell, May will be 32/33. Jeez, even Nowell will be 30! Some of the other forwards will be too, but they could probably wear it.
Someone needs to sack up now and look at properly bringing in the likes of Tompkins, Ibitoye, Randall, Thorley, Smith, Lewington, Lawrence, etc etc.

To add to A_a’s list, wales would be mad not to start brining in Ion Lloyd. Dan Thomas is worth a look too, he’s been fantastic for bris and Tips will be 34 when the next RWC rolls around.

To add to A_a’s list, wales would be mad not to start brining in Ion Lloyd. Dan Thomas is worth a look too, he’s been fantastic for bris and Tips will be 34 when the next RWC rolls around

Yeah Tips will be old butvwe arent that blessed with quality players although 7 we do have options. Wales need to build strength not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Daky is a quality rugby player mind, could he go to 13.

Faz
May
Tuilagi
Daly
Watson
AN Other Fullback.

is their coach a genius

This week, yes. Last week, Eddie Jones was a genius. A few weeks ago, Steve Hansen and Jamie Joseph were geniuses. You’re only as good as your last game.

Not true.
Erasmus has now won the world cup for his country.
The next game’s result can’t detract from that.
But, don’t think there is a next game for rassie, he moves up to director of rugby and chooses the next coach, which was their plan when he went back. Was just a temp stand in while they needed him then upstairs. But definitely genius. SA on the rise.
Hansen too, With two world cups.

But definitely genius. SA on the rise.
Hansen too, With two world cups.

If Hansen was a genius he’d have won the World Cup with Wales!

SA on the rise.

They may be on the rise, they may have peaked and it might be all downhill from here. We’ll know more in a couple of years.

I noticed that the news last night reported the game with words along the lines of ‘South Africa wanted the win more because Kolisi would be the first black captain to win the cup’.

If only the rest of the world could find something to motivate them, eh?

If only the rest of the world could find something to motivate them, eh?

England losing works for a lot of people.

England losing works for a lot of people.

…and there were go.  Well the class and empathy lasted roughly 24hrs at least before the bitterness rose again.  Business as usual then…

England losing works for a lot of people.

I don’t think so in this case, being English media. The news report felt like they were looking for an excuse for England’s loss, other than SA were a better team on the day.

Well I got some bits right!

It was quite amusing reading thru the predictions. My favourite was someone ( ??Gauss) stating that Jap-an would not beat ireland or scotland!

Kryton its not bitterness. When yo have a big brother who is constantly telling you that they are too good for you its a nice bit of schadenfreude when they lose.

Its mainly a reaction to the press anyway

Just arrived at my boys rugby tournament, piss funny reminding all the Englanders that they were cheering for SA last week so I was expecting them to be happy!

Its mainly a reaction to the press anyway

The English press, to be precise.

You know, its 2019 and there’s a lot of English people who are just normal tea drinking families and parents who’ve got no inclination to jump over Hadrians wall and ravish the Scots, suppress the Welsh or contain the Irish.  Nor are we by courtesy of our born nationality responsible for the acts of our forefathers.   It wears heavily and tiresome to want to discuss a sport which we all enjoy and some are so passionate about with the constant barbs to our nationality.

I’m having a bad weekend for sure – more than the rugby involved tbh – but the continued casual racism (because they are English, not just journalists for example) and blame, and joy to see us lose because we are England/English is just so wearing.

I think there are so many supporters English ones at that, that have congratulated SA, are happy for their win yet devastated for our own loss who have acknowledged in honesty that we’ve been outplayed for sure, yet the minor non English sneer acknowledging the fact we failed to win this match seems to prevail in a manner thats all the better for them because of our Nationality.

Its saddening to me TBH.  I’m not here for an argument so I won’t be defending this post against one, I’m off out to watch my kid play Rugby which will now doubt be the highlight of my Rugby weekend.

The English press, to be precise.

No. The British national press.

but the continued casual racism (because they are English, not just journalists for example) and blame, and joy to see us lose because we are England/English is just so wearing

Dry your eyes fella, you can no doubt restore the true world order in 4 years time! The whole point of sport is rivalries. Is it casual racism when I take the piss out of Ospreys or Cardiff supporters (not the Dregs they have enough issues)?

Kryton – we have tried to explain why the ABE exists. Its very difficult to see unless you are a wales, Scotland or Ireland supporter but the continual promotion of the English team in the press and the ignoring of others is more than a little irritating

One small example when two non home nations are playing we are always told what english clubs the players play for or have played for. No mention of for example the role scottish teams have had in developing Fiji players! Matowalo was described as an ex bath player – not a current Glasgow player!

Or things like being continually told the english league is the best in the world when european cup results show it is not.

It gets very wearing

An example was Lord Balds first comment at half time was that a different SA turned up to the one that played Wales.

After the game Faff was interviewed “you changed the game plan from last week then” “no it was the same”

It wears heavily and tiresome to want to discuss a sport which we all enjoy and some are so passionate about with the constant barbs to our nationality.

Mate, it’s not that, in most cases. I’m half English, I was born and grew up there. I’ve always supported England in football.

The dislike is just English Rugby. Yes, because of pain of defeat inflicted through the years, but there’s more. The English rugby media are incredibly cocky which really grates when you’re losing to them. Much of the British media gushes about England every time they win a match like it’s 2003 again. English rugby gets more column inches. That bloke who commentates on ITV is an England fan, which irritates hugely. He doesn’t talk about the game half the time, just gushes about England.

History aside, when you’re already feeling sidelined by a much bigger and culturally dominating partner, this grates. And on top of that, there’s a class divide between rugby in England and Wales. It’s a public school sport in England. Then you’ve got the issue that Eddie Jones is an unpleasant man and apparently so are half the England team. Then all the extra coverage seems like rubbing our faces in it all the more.

Eddie Jones is an unpleasant man and apparently so are half the England team.

Currently most of the England players seem fine, obviously Marler is a racist and Itoje a prise **** but the rest seem ok.

Eddie Jones is an unpleasant man

Not disagreeing about that, but there are mitigating circumstances:
i) He is less of a tosser than Chieka
ii) He coached Japan to a win against South Africa and England to a WC final, including a truly exceptional victory against NZ in the semi-final.

My favourite was someone ( ??Gauss) stating that Jap-an would not beat ireland or scotland!

Harsh, you haven’t even quoted whatever I said ; )
Without going back to check. I did not forsee Japan beating Ireland at all. The Japan v Scotland game was too close to call for me iirc. I certainly would not rule out Scotland losing to any other team away 😂. I probably said at the time people at my work gave Japan no chance of beating Scotland and I attempted to persuade them to be more cautious. I may well have thought Scotland the more likely to win, just before the tournament started.
Those first games seem such a long time ago now.
Tj I’m really looking forward to the 6Nations, but the banter when the next Lions tour comes around will be special too ; )

Tj I’m really looking forward to the 6Nations, but the banter when the next Lions tour comes around will be special too ; )

Gatland should pick yesterdays England 15 and beat SA in SA just to piss of Jones!!!

there’s a class divide between rugby in England and Wales. It’s a public school sport in England.

Apart from it’s not really any more, there are rugby players from all background now. Sinkler was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

I didn’t go to a private school and played rugby at school. Dawson and Lewsy were products of the RGS in High Wycombe were my uncle went to school with them.

Apart from it’s not really any more,

There really is!! How many are privately educated, rugby scholarship kids?

The English rugby media are incredibly cocky

A perfect examples, so dismissive of South Africa.

Matt Dawson wouldn't include any South Africa players in his combined XV with England.

This is why: https://t.co/lgWkS94zID#bbcrugby #RWC2019 #RWCFinal pic.twitter.com/P90vur6yXe

— BBC Sport (@BBCSport) November 1, 2019

Gatland should pick yesterdays England 15 and beat SA in SA just to piss of Jones!!!

😂😂

Without going back to check. I did not forsee Japan beating Ireland at all.

I don’t think any sensible person would have predicted that Ireland were going to be so poor this RWC.

I don’t think any sensible person would have predicted that Ireland were going to be so poor this RWC.

No, I thought they were quite likely to meet NZ in the final. I had the Japan-Scotland game penciled in as probably the decider for runner up in the pool, with Japan quite likely to win, but beating Ireland was stunning. Once Japan had done that, they were clear favorites to beat Scotland, I don’t know why anyone was surprised at the outcome of that game.

Nothing wrong with rugby scholarships, I wish there were many, many more. I coach a kids team and we have he entire cross section; privately educated kids, kids from state schools on not so nice areas etc. Black, white, Asian, mixed race, English, Jamaican, south African, welsh. It’s awesome that these kids mix. If I can in some small way help any of them get a rugby scholarship I’d be absolutely over the moon.

Nothing wrong with rugby scholarships

Who said there was?

A perfect examples, so dismissive of South Africa.

A scroll through Matt Dawson’s Twitter feed today is highly entertaining.

Almost as entertaining as seeing the smug look wiped off Clive Woodward’s face.

Back to post match analysis of the final, and picking up on AA’s point on previous page, I do think England were rattled and unprepared for early loss of sinckler. It seemed all those looping clever little decoy runs routines that we saw against NZ didn’t happen, maybe he was always partnof the begining of routine and Dan Cole wouldn’t have been prepared to take same role. On a similar hindsight type note, taking a squad to beat both NZ and then SA is tough, or could that have been done I wonder?

Molgrips
Then you’ve got the issue that Eddie Jones is an unpleasant man and apparently so are half the England team.

Wow, that’s quite a statement. Would you like to run through each players unpleasantness, so we know exactly what you are inferring?

(Do we need a new thread to discuss the rest of the year’s rugby?)

We should have a new thread

Arigatōgozaimashita Japan

An awesome tournament, probably the best so far.

Nah….  Leave all the bitterness in one place

Would you like to run through each players unpleasantness, so we know exactly what you are inferring?

No as it’s clearly an impression not a quantitative assessment.