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  • duckman
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    Dunno, I watched the Sale game first so it is a feast of rugby blessed by the almighty in my opinion.

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    duckman – Member
    Dunno, I watched the Sale game first so it is a feast of rugby blessed by the almighty in my opinion

    Duckers – watching all of the Sale / Newcastle game when you have the option to fast forward shows either a purist devotion to the game or extreme masochistic tendencies; which is it?

    tjagain
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    Edinburgh – played 2 won 2! Cockerill seems to have had an impact already – – last season we would have lost this game from being only 2 pts up with 20 to go and momentum all the dragons way but instead we get the bonus point. Kinghorn looking really impressive again like last week. I think he will play for Scotland this year. Jamie Ritchie a good game from 6. Hoyland as well
    More young good scots coming thru which is good to see.

    The doom o meter has gone back to ” we are world beaters”

    Dragons were unlucky that try was ruled out by the hometown video refs intervention. Also unlucky that the 9 and 12 got broken early the Dragons back line looked good until that happend. Gav was not very agile in defence at 12!!

    mindmap3
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    Sale Falcons game was terrible last night.

    Bath looking pretty good today. Watson looking assured and dangerous at fullback. They’re putting an awful lot of pressure on Sarries so far who look pretty flat after the master class they gave the Saints last week.

    Wait till Scott Andrews comes on to destroy the Bath scrum

    mindmap3
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    Bath scrum is on top despite injuries. They’re big names are really playing well and Britts has just absolutely lost it after being done for a cheap penalty (scrum half throwing the ball into him at the base of a ruck). Sarries niled and they’re yet to fire a shot. Big contrast to last week.

    mindmap3
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    Bath hanging on for dear life at the moment; they look knackered and JJ and Charteris have gone off injured.

    Sarries look a different team with Mako and Farrell on the pitch.

    mindmap3
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    Stunning win by Bath and denied Sarries a losing bonus point with a last grasp interception try by Roko. Finished with 14 men too after Watson went off injured.

    Burns looked good too; kicked his points and nailed Farrell too. Bath got the better deal out of the FH swap based on the start of the season.

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    Davies doesnt look good enough to me, dont understand how Wales have him above Patchel.

    So far he’s given 17 points to Glasgow. The solution? Bring Hook on for Allen. Dear god, it’s enough to make me pray!

    So far he’s given 17 points to Glasgow

    To be fair Glasgow are a good side well coached, Ospreys are…..not either

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    That Leicester player took a kip there and he’s looking out of it. TMO should have him off for HIA.

    mindmap3
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    Nuts that he wasn’t taken off. So much for the new rules around HIA’s…

    Saints look well up for it today and seem to have worked on their handling in the last week.

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    Agree – I thought the med team were supposed to review the video footage if there was any hint of a head injury?

    Good win for Bath – Roko was clearly saving himself for the final 3 min…

    Bath got the better deal out of the FH swap based on the start of the season.

    Leicester looking really poor in both matches so far although a little harsh to blame Ford given his forwards got badly beaten in both games…

    Nice individual try from May at the end of the Saints / Leicester game probably the only consolation for Leicester?

    wrecker
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    Bath got the better deal out of the FH swap based on the start of the season.

    By a long long way. Harry Mallinder has been taking stick for Saints fans as “not a 10” (to be fair he probably won’t be) but he was by far the best 10 on the pitch today. Normal Ford stuff; no forward dominance = falls to pieces. Look at how bath are performing.

    mindmap3
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    Leicester looking really poor in both matches so far although a little harsh to blame Ford given his forwards got badly beaten in both games…

    Nice individual try from May at the end of the Saints / Leicester game probably the only consolation for Leicester?

    His place kicking has been poor for Tigers. He missed a couple of sitters today and it’s gonna big to cost them, even if that’s a LBP. Tigers line out was pretty woeful today. The pack was very much second best today.

    Tigers were well beaten today; Lawes was very very good today, tacked well and carried real well. Hartley had his best club game for a while too. Can Saints back it up next week?

    Bit damp in Zebreland tonight!

    duckman
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    Two good games yesterday,agree about the hia; he was sparked!

    Says a lot that one of our residents Scots is watching Aviva and not the 10 people and two dogs who turned up to see Edinburgh v Dregs or Glasgow v Arspreys.

    tjagain
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    I just don’t get it why you are so down on the pro 14! Sure the ap is better than it used to be and I do watch some games in it but I far prefer the pro 14

    Glasgow get 5-7000 at games and sell out most games, edinburgh 3000+

    Well I watched 2 pro14 games this weekend, how many did Duckman watch? Not sure why your having a go at me!!

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    Well I watched 2 pro14 games this weekend, how many did Duckman watch? Not sure why your having a go at me!!

    It’s easy to have a go at you because you comment on absolutely everything, normally in the negative and often with a little dig thrown in. (At least that’s how it reads.)

    tjagain
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    Yup. It may not be your intent but its how it appears.

    ‘Tis an odd thing – the rugby forums I am on is full of welsh complaining about everything pro 14 whereas the other nationalities posters moan much less.

    I don’t know if its a symptom of the seriousness which rugby is followed in Wales or what but welsh fans seem to hve a much more negative view of the pro 14 than other nations – even English fans

    duckman
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    I watched the Edinburgh game AA; why am I involved in your ongoing spat with TJ?

    tjagain
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    I am disappointed in the showing of the SA teams so far thats for sure.

    I watched the Edinburgh game AA

    Henson was shit at 12!! Was looking good at 10 early on. Quite a tasty backline Dragons have if everyones fit. Shame about the pack.

    the rugby forums I am on is full of welsh complaining about everything pro 14

    WTF has that to do with me?
    Anyway the Celtic league, Pr12 and now the Pro14 are just going through a slow and extended death wriggle. Without a British league or Euro league the pro game in Wales below international level will soon be dead it cannot compete with the Aviva or the French league.

    tjagain
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    I see it very differently – the pro 14 is getting better every year with bigger crowds and more money. Its the only game in town for the nations involved with it. I don’t know what you think would be better for the welsh teams. they are never going to join the ap. there will never be a british league

    The point about the other forum is there seems to ba a very negative view from welsh fans that I don’t understand – you do it on here, its replicated other places.. You are not anything like as bad as the guys on the rugby forum tho.

    the rugby forums I am on is full of welsh complaining about everything pro 14

    I expect thats true but it doesnt make the Pr14 any good.

    The Edinburgh and Glasgow attendances are awful. Away games with Edinburgh are dismal afairs. Glasgow get about the same as Llanelli which given the local population densities is pretty poor. The Welsh gain very little from playing the Scots.

    tjagain
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    Glasgow sell out their ground most games. Edinburgh crowds are poor – a reflection on the utter bilge rugby they have been playing for the last few years. Glasgow was always a football city – their attendances have built from zero. I went to club games / european games pre the pro 12 / 14 and then crowds were a few hundred. There was 40 000 for some edinburgh europe games a few years ago. Moving to Myreside as Edinburgh have done at least creates some atmosphere.

    Where / who else would the welsh play? An 8 team welsh league?

    Glasgow sell out their ground most games

    And capacity is what 7.5k?

    Where / who else would the welsh play? An 8 team welsh league?

    Well if the two Scottish teams left the Pro14 tomorrow it might still keep going. If the Welsh or the Irish left would the same happen?
    Look at which games get the best attendances.

    Pigface
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    Oh God are we going to have to endure another season of AA being pessimistic about everything to do with Welsh rugby?

    Quite optimistic about Scarlets actually. Shame Davies the 7 is broken though, still gives Boyd a chance. Hoping to see Ryan Elias break into the Wales set up in the Autumn.

    tjagain
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    Pigface – I can make up for it with unbridled optimism if you like? 😉 at least until the AIs

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    Without a British league or Euro league the pro game in Wales below international level will soon be dead it cannot compete with the Aviva or the French league.

    That will make no difference at all. Without substantial investment the Welsh teams will never compete with England or France (or Scotland or Ireland). It’s been the same since the game went professional and it’s getting worse. When second tier English teams have better teams and facilities than top level Welsh teams it’s time to worry.

    It would be a start if the WRU could kick start our second division, but that’s another story

    That will make no difference at all. Without substantial investment the Welsh teams will never compete with England or France (or Scotland or Ireland).

    Its chicken and egg though, without a marketable product who will invest?

    It would be a start if the WRU could kick start our second division, but that’s another story

    They only seem to care about Team Wales, mind you how long until Gatlands law is gone?

    tjagain
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    The welsh teams have the same funding streams as the others – indeed should have more due to bigger crowds / more sponsorship opportunities. They are not financially disadvatge4d compared to the scots. Indeed its only the last couple of seasons the scots have been able to match them

    wrecker
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    Anyway the Celtic league, Pr12 and now the Pro14 are just going through a slow and extended death wriggle

    I hope this isn’t true for many reasons. I can’t ever see the PRL agreeing to a british/irish or euro league, they have nothing to gain from it. On top of that (and despite fridays game…) the AP is a fantastic “product” so to be honest I wouldn’t like to see it either.
    The top14 can be a success, but it’s dependent on rugby fans of the individual nations to make it so.

    The top14 can be a success, but it’s dependent on rugby fans of the individual nations to make it so.

    I’m not sure thats the case. The derbies are very well attended so each countries fans back their team. Its big problem for me is the lack of relegation and lack of competition for Euro Cup spots. Its improved in Wales since only 2 go through but the competition is only with the welsh which compounds the issue that the derbies are the big games. The irish send weakened teams abroad (and admittedly mostly still win!) and Glasgow need only beat Edinburgh in the table to qualify. Its just not competitive enough between the countries to generate intrest.

    The welsh teams have the same funding streams as the others – indeed should have more due to bigger crowds / more sponsorship opportunities. They are not financially disadvatge4d compared to the scots. Indeed its only the last couple of seasons the scots have been able to match them

    If there was a point this misses it!

    tjagain
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    AA – its now the top 3 in each conference to go into Europe – no guaranteed places for any nation. I think this is wrong but it answers your question

    As for “weakened” teams – all clubs have to rotate and certainly the scots consider player welfare more than the ap – see the complaints from the ap players rep about burnout / overlong seasons. Players can only play 25 or so games a season – 8 0r 9 internationals, half a dozen euroipean games and there are not many games left for them to play inthe league. The answer is to copy Leinster and to some extent Glasgow who do not have a first team plus subs but have 2 players in each position who can interchange without any great loss of quality. Do this and you don’t have a weakened team for any game. I think this is one area the welsh fall down on. Too much emphasis is placed on keeping the stars in wales which means not enough money left for decent squad players. Letting Biggar go frees up funds for two or more youngsters to come thru.

    Look at the great youngsters coming thru in Scotland – unless senior players move on their is no space for these youngsters to develop on grow into. If laidlaw had stayed at Glasgow Price / Pyrgos would not have been able to develop and gain the experience. Russell going next season will allow Hastings to step into his shoes ( although I would have preferred Russell to stay another couple of years)

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/09/christian-day-players-concerns-rfu-plans-prolong-season

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    The welsh teams have the same funding streams as the others – indeed should have more due to bigger crowds / more sponsorship opportunities.

    That last bit suggests that you have no idea of how economically disadvantaged Wales actually is. The Welsh teams get sponsored by smallish local companies normally, not huge companies.

    Too much emphasis is placed on keeping the stars in wales which means not enough money left for decent squad players

    You keep saying this but it doesnt make it true. Faletau, Charteris and Williams were for example playing in one aviva game this week as well as solid club players like Day and Priestland. Others like Moriarty, North, Roberts, Luke Hmilton, Owen Williams, Tom Young, Adam Jones, Hibbard and Tom Francis. Not to mention half the Bristol team.

    Letting Biggar go frees up funds for two or more youngsters to come thru.

    Just make the Pro14 a junior league then without top players why should people go and watch? No one goes to see the Scottish teams anyway. Scotland can fund two teams to bring on younger players in a poor league but without 4 irish and 4 welsh teams to play they’d be screwed. The welsh supporters want something more than that.

    duckman
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    I think you are missing the cold hard fact that the English teams don’t want you AA. One Welsh team would possibly survive in the Prem, the rest would be in the championship,initially at least. And you still wouldn’t have any money, who is going to invest in the Welsh regions under those circumstances? Glasgow are an example of how to grow a club from scratch, I don’t know why the WRU is getting it so wrong.

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