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  • Rugby 2021-2022 Season
  • Premier Icon tjagain
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    so you are a turncoat then?  tsk tsk

    Premier Icon 5plusn8
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    This is naked projection TJ… 😉

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Premier Icon duckman
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    Residency laws will never be tightened up as long as NZ and OZ use the Islands as feeder countries.

    Just googled; 8 of the All Blacks 2019 squad were born in Tonga alone.

    Premier Icon 5plusn8
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    Does that imply NZ and OZ have more power over World Rugby than anyone in NH then? How come?

    Premier Icon duckman
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    I should have clarified; The rules were changed from 3 to 5 years in 2019 but it has been kicked down the road for the last 2 years. It was driven by England and SA but with little appetite from the other t1 nations. Apparently finally happened December this year. However being able to play for a country because Grandad shagged somebody on a stag weekend in 1968 was ignored, despite being proposed. The rule about changing country after 3 years was just a cynical dead cat.

    Premier Icon 5plusn8
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    Ok thanks.
    Meanwhile, Hepburn has been banned for 3 games.

    Premier Icon onehundredthidiot
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    I’m confused as to how genge escaped a bring your own biscuits chat.
    Red cards in autumn internationals for less contact in more dynamic situations.
    Deliberate contact with head no mitigations.

    Premier Icon gordimhor
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    I think the “imported” players are essential for international rugby. There are 7 countries whose national teams are capable of winning the RWC.
    Sadly Scotland isn’t one of them. Without the imports 2 or 3 of those countries would be less competitive. That would in turn make RWC a less sellable tournament. I have no idea how you go about expanding the player pool and the audience for grassroots rugby but that’s the long term alternative to importing players for the national team. Unfortunately it may not ever happen.

    Premier Icon anagallis_arvensis
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    Meanwhile, Hepburn has been banned for 3 games.

    What do he do?
    Surprised the play who headbutted Botham didn’t get looked at!

    Premier Icon jca
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    Dumped Marler on his head clearing out a ruck

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    There are 7 countries whose national teams are capable of winning the RWC.

    NZ, SA, England.  who else?

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Interestingly in Scotland we seem to have developed a really good pathway for bring thru our own players now in a way we didn’t in the past.  Maybe we just have better folk coming in that we used to.

    Ross Thompson is looking good and getting plenty of game time and he is only 12 😉  Rory Darge, Scott Cummings, Dobie, McLean, Hodgeson

    sometimes our weakness can be a strength.  Because of finances a fair few stars move out of scotland mid carreer but this gives the youth chance to gain experience at a younger age than they would in France or England.  I think we could put a team out now without imports that would be almost as strong as the team with imports.  Not the case years ago.  someone like Martin Leslie would not get a game for Scotland nowadays

    Premier Icon Klunk
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    blimey

    Premier Icon duckman
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    Ah the dark days; remember when the Evans brothers were viewed with almost religious zeal? When we capped Tom Heathcoate while he was playing for Bath seconds? Allan Bullock? David Callan?

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    I don’t even remember Callan.  Bullock wisnae that bad!

    Premier Icon anagallis_arvensis
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    blimey

    Grim.
    Happened in Manchester, England player, not played for a few years, aged 29. I know who my money is on.

    Premier Icon anagallis_arvensis
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    I still miss Brendan ‘The Chainsaw’ Laney.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Brendan ‘The Chainsaw’ Laney.

    Edinburgh had a run in the euro cup which earned them half a million that they were not expecting.  They spent it on Laney.  When he arrived folk who did not know him asked who the new prop was he was that fat!

    Premier Icon pk13
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    That player has some iffy female company a hooker and not a rugby player.

    Premier Icon gordimhor
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    @TJA Australia,they’ve done it already although they’re weakened just now.
    France surely some time
    Wales and Ireland with a strong following wind.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    I don’t think any of them  bar France have the depth for the campaign  Wales are below Scotland in the rankings

    Ireland sitting well in the rankings tho so maybe.

    Premier Icon duckman
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    They spent it on Laney. When he arrived folk who did not know him asked who the new prop was he was that fat!

    That is 100% true.

    AA I thought you would have been consumed with jealousy watching Laney bearing in mind he scored more in one 6n game(24)than Wales’s choice of imported Kiwi full back scored in his 19 caps.😘

    Or does Howarth not count because he wasn’t actually eligible at any time during his international career?

    Premier Icon duckman
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    3 weeks for Sutherland and a punishment exercise. Seriously; available for 29th if he does a coaching course!

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    What did he do?  I missed it

    Premier Icon anagallis_arvensis
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    AA I thought you would have been consumed with jealousy watching Laney bearing in mind he scored more in one 6n game(24)than Wales’s choice of imported Kiwi full back scored in his 19 caps.😘

    Or does Howarth not count because he wasn’t actually eligible at any time during his international career?

    At least Howarth was good!

    Premier Icon namastebuzz
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    In the recent Autumn internationals the foreign born element of the various squads was:

    Scotland 46%
    Japan 37%
    Italy 30%
    Australia 29%
    England 28%
    Ireland 26%
    Wales 24%
    France 13%
    NZ. 12%
    SA & Argentina 0%

    Hardly gives credence to the NZ stealing all the PI players plot does it?

    Martin Leslie wouldn’t get a game for Scotland now coz there’d be a line of better Kiwis and Saffas in front of him……

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    remember that number for Scotland includes english born scots like Watson.  try telling Hamish he is not a Scot!  Others as well

    Non UK born would be a better comparison for the home nations

    Leslie wouldn’t get a game now because we have home grown back rows!  Its one position we have plenty of home grown options

    Premier Icon onehundredthidiot
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    @tjagain suzz went into a tackle straight backed and it resulted in a headclash red card. Not much argument.

    Premier Icon duckman
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    The likes of John Barclay as foreign born. Parents from Fife and working in Hong Kong, move back to Fife where he attends Dollar Academy so foreign born. Post up your link for that please Nmbuzz. And before you are running down Leslie, remember you were capping Shontaye Hape at the same time.

    Premier Icon namastebuzz
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    Hey! I’m not running down the Leslie brothers. I thought they were both good for Scotland actually.

    A Scottish friend sent me a screenshot of those figures so I don’t have a link but I’ve seen similar figures around various rugby sites. I think in the 2019 RWC half of Scotland’s squad was foreign born.

    For every John Barclay there’s a Jim Hamilton who’s less Scottish than I am!

    I’m not actually knocking Scotland. You do what you have to do and you’ve probably had more Englishman playing for you than Kiwis or SAFFAs.

    England are far more reprehensible. We’ve got more than enough home grown talent yet we insist on capping the likes of Hape all the same.

    If all the Tongans that ever played rugby had actually played for Tonga – how good might that have been?

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    John Leslie was a real star.  Martin much less so.

    I don’t want mercenarys that naff off again once their playing careers are over.  I want folk who make Scotland their home.  How to weed them out I do not know.   I would like imports to take out citizenship and I think 5 year qualification on residence is right – maybe reduced for youth.  so 3 yrs if under 16, 4 years if 16-18 and five years over 18?

    I also loath folk who drape themselves in the flag without meaning.  I’d rather have a Visser who made no pretense about being scottish than someone like Shingler who pretended he always wanted to play for Scotland

    The move to allow imports to return to their country of birth is a good one.  too many folk have got one or two caps as an import and then are lost to their home nation for ever

    Premier Icon namastebuzz
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    It’s a tough one TJ. I’ve never been able to come up with an answer either.

    As a fan, you want your national XV to be representative of your country. If England, for example, fielded 15 players with no real links to the country – I wouldn’t watch.

    The PI issue could be helped by World Rugby apportioning money more fairly to those unions rather than giving more to the rich as they do now. Then Tongans could afford to play for Tonga.

    The 2nd string ABs & Springboks who haven’t quite made it is more of an issue. They often qualify through family history or residency but have no real connection to their new jersey.

    I think there should be different rules for players from lower tier or non-rugby countries too. Visser, Pocock, Ngwenya – those guys would never have played meaningful rugby for their original countries.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    The other thing with the pacific nations is that there should be tours there.  Scotland went a good few years ago ad got  great reception and it produced good rugby.  I don’t think anyone has gone since

    A PI lions could work as well

    Premier Icon namastebuzz
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    I would like imports to take out citizenship and I think 5 year qualification on residence is right – maybe reduced for youth. so 3 yrs if under 16, 4 years if 16-18 and five years over 18?

    👍

    Premier Icon duckman
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    The problem the Pacific nations will face is always going to be the way money is divided unfairly. I f we sell out Murrayfield for Tonga as well as SA; then why not pay them the same? If it is 50% full, then 50% of what we pay tier 1 they get( checked and revised). Likewise lots of teams put the bite on Island boys to make themselves unavailable for their home nations. I still have no idea how a Jaguars side was allowed in Super Rugby either but a Pasifika side wasn’t.

    Shh Teej; we leaked 50 against Fiji in 2003; lets not go back!

    Premier Icon namastebuzz
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    Whilst tours to the PIs would be great they don’t solve the money problem.

    I was lucky enough to be in Fiji in 2019 and attend a game Vs Canada. The tickets didn’t cost a lot and the stadium in Suva isn’t very big so even if it’s full (it wasn’t) they’re hardly gonna coin it in. As a nation of 900,000 their TV rights won’t pay much either.

    As Duckman says, paying the PI nations a share of the gate from Twickenham or Murrayfield or wherever is surely a more equitable solution?

    Premier Icon gauss1777
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    Cardiff v Harlequins entertaining to watch.

    Premier Icon anagallis_arvensis
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    Big performance from Cardiff, total kick in the balls at the end, but then they didn’t want a draw I suppose.

    I think I may be busy for Ospreys v Racing tomorrow!!

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    I think I may be busy for Ospreys v Racing tomorrow!!

    Yes – that might be one to watch from behind the sofa

    Glasgow play exeter which should be a good match today – wee bit of grudge between the teams

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