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  • Rugby 2019 – 2020 Season
  • anagallis_arvensis
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    Thought this was very harsh, catcher misses and starts tofall backwards which inevitably brings his leg up, bloke runs into it with his face whilst being nowhere near to challenging for the ball.

    BruceWee
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    That was straight out of the Lee Byrne book of dangerous catching.

    Good to see it’s finally getting dealt with properly. Now maybe youse’ll stop doing it.

    duckman
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    Yup, ref rules on outcome not intent. Kicked him in the face, red card.

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    anagallis_arvensis
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    Yup, ref rules on outcome not intent.

    Given he jumped and the french winger didnt he was always likely to get a boot around the head.

    How can you jump without getting your feet up? He cant leave his feet on the floor.

    Its not like he just kicked him. Had the frenchy gone for the ball he’d have been ok.

    Not like this one.

    BruceWee
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    When you jump you lift your knee, studs pointing down. However, for a while there, the Welsh seemed to be getting coached to lift the leg and show the studs, presumably to dissuade people from challenging for the ball.

    It should be stopped. I think a couple more red cards and players will quickly figure out how to jump without showing their studs.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    That was straight out of the Lee Byrne book of dangerous catching.

    You mean the one where the donkey scottish prop got a red card?

    Straight red to Byrne clearly kneed the scot in the head!

    Bout 40s in, Williams leading with the head before that too

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    In other talking points, no wonder Teo has disappeared!!

    anagallis_arvensis
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    BruceWee
    Full Member

    The one that always comes to mind is Byrne opening up Hugo Southwell’s face with his studs. You saw him doing it all the time so it was going to happen eventually.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Was looking for Taine Basham’s red card v Worcs but cant find it.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    Can’t find the video.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Again in that still the Scot shouldnt be going into contact with the bloke in the air, even if he is daft enough to be using his face to tackle with.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Again in that still the Scot shouldnt be going into contact with the bloke in the air, even if he is daft enough to be using his face to tackle with.

    Another image,
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    Byrne landed badly as I recall and most thought Hugo lucky not to get a card.

    BruceWee
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    So, you reckon it should be allowed? Encouraged?

    anagallis_arvensis
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    I think contact with a player in the air is illegal if you are not going for the ball and if you are on the floor the boots are going to be around you face. A proper kick out like the second clip is clearly illegal, having a boot in the air though is a consequence of jumping. Had Fall not run in and put his face there the boot wouldnt have hit it, had Fall jumped to get the ball his face wouldnt have hit the boot.

    BruceWee
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    The Welsh players do seem to end up with their studs out more than others. Like I said, it’s almost like they’re coached to throw a leg out. Inevitably the commentators make say things like, ‘You can’t control where your leg ends up.’ and yet most players can. It could be argued in your first clip that Dan Evans didn’t raise his leg intentionally. You could also argue he did.

    I think you have to go by results rather than intentions like you do with every other form of contact with the face.

    Sorry but the Welsh are going to have to go back to jumping like the rest of us. Knee up, foot pointing down.

    BruceWee
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    In fact, here’s what Sam Warburton had to say

    “I would be very, very disappointed if I was Dan Lydiate as captain,” said Warburton.

    “You are coached to lift your leg up to defend yourself when you collect high balls.

    “That’s just an unfortunate circumstance.

    “Dan wasn’t looking to hit Teddy Thomas in the face and deliberately go for his chin.

    “He looked away to protect the ball.

    “I think that’s very harsh.”

    The obvious solution is to stop coaching players to lift their leg to ‘defend themselves’.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    How does one jump without lifting a leg. If would be tacklers kept away from jumpers they wouldnt get a boot in the face. Contact with a player in the air is illegal, even if you use your face!

    BruceWee
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    Lifting your leg and showing your studs is actually an extremely unnatural movement. If you jump like a normal person either your leg is straight and pointing down or your leg is bent and your foot is tucked under your bum.

    Like Sam Warburton said, they have to coach players to do it. They should stop if they want to avoid red cards.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Lifting your leg and showing your studs is actually an extremely unnatural movement

    Not if like Dan Evans in the example above you are rotating backwards and would land on your back if your leg didnt raise a leg, thats why I thought it was harsh.

    BruceWee
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    If you coach people to show their studs to defend themselves then it’s going to become a more natural movement. Accidents are going to happen, like in Dan Evans’ case (I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt, even though there is no way of telling if sticking his leg out was instinctual or intentional).

    They need to start coaching people to tuck their foot under their bum when they jump.

    mindmap3
    Free Member

    Mindmap3 are you at sixways today?
    Lovely conditions today. Loads of players around the grounds, the boys have already been given chocolates by will butler and Duncan weir. Should be a good day

    Unfortunately no, I went out on my bike instead as the sun was out.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Clear red. He looked right at him and planted his foot. Imo the ref was wrong to say accident but reckless.
    I think it was deliberate

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Clear red. He looked right at him and planted his foot.

    You going to hsve to explain to me slowly how you “plant your foot” when in the air!

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Evans gets a low end ban of four weeks, Basham just one week for the tip tackle red he got. I only saw a phone vid but it looked like had the video ref been in play it would have just been a yellow.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    AA

    You could clearly see him look at the player he kicked and move his foot towards him. deliberate.

    loum
    Free Member

    Red card upheld , it was right the dirty cheat got sent off

    Guilty plea from the player too. He knows he did it.

    But good biscuits and he was very ,very sorry.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    You could clearly see him look at the player he kicked and move his foot towards him. deliberate.

    Why did he get a low end ban then? Not sure where you are looking but he is clearly looking the othercway as he starts to rotate backwards and his leg comes up to counter balance. I can understand the red but it very clearly isnt intentional

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Accidental.

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    anagallis_arvensis
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    Accident

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    Intentional

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    duckman
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    Guys; could we please remember the rules? Evans=Welsh so therefore it is all unfair. Should I point out that the karate kid would also have been sent off? You seem to have some difficulty with that concept AA.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Should I point out that the karate kid would also have been sent off?

    You beast!!

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    tjagain
    Full Member

    To me if you look at the player and then move your foot towards him while looking at him its deliberate.

    But yes – we know that all refs unfairly penalise any and all welsh teams

    anagallis_arvensis
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    To me if you look at the player and then move your foot towards him while looking at him its deliberate.

    I agree its just thats clearly not what happens, he’s looking at the ball then the other way from the player.

    [video src="https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/ELM8YwqXkAASTNb.mp4" /]

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Only the one eyed.

    On the TV live replays it was obvious he looked right at him. You can even see it on that clip

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Only the one eyed.

    Like the citing panel who gave him a low end ban? I think you must be looking at the wrong video.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    YOU can see him clearly look at the guy and stick his leg out in that video.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    YOU can see him clearly look at the guy and stick his leg out in that video

    Er…ok. we’ll have to agree to differ on this because discussion isnt possible when I cant understand your point. One last thing though, why did Evans get 8 mitigated down to 4 weeks and Nabura get 12 mitigated down to 6?

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